56% of all Americans and 58% of those 18-29 yrs old say abortion immoral

[Ban Hammer 13,655]

I am absolutely against abortion except in cases of incest or rape or risk of the life of the mother.

You don't want a baby? Don't have sex or use contraception.

MHO.

I'm sorry but I firmly believe it's a child, not a choice.

uh oh, i'm in 100% agreement. i guess i have to go hug a tree now.

eta: include in the above for life of mother.

Edited January 23, 2010 by charles!

[Peikko 1,575]

Meh, if there are people who elect politicians based on what they believe to be that politicians morality, they are really bound for disappointment. Perhaps that is one of the major differences between here and the UK. In the UK, if you do not have a comprehensive manifesto with pragmatic policies in place, but instead just wave a flag and say vote for me because I'm a nice guy, you get short shrift in the polls.

Expecting politicians to be morally black or white is patently absurd to me.

None that changes the reality that most of the body of law in place has nothing to do with morality and what is 'right' or 'wrong either, so again, basing voting decisions on percieved morality is bloody silly.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

In the UK, if you do not have a comprehensive manifesto with pragmatic policies in place ... you get short shrift in the polls.

Yeah the BNP is real pragmatic

It's amazing you will lie to make your country look good when you know well we all have access to the same Internet you do

[Peikko 1,575]

Yeah the BNP is real pragmatic

It's amazing you will lie to make your country look good when you know well we all have access to the same Internet you do

A.J, I carefully pointed out that voting ideologically is the exception, not the rule. The BNP success in electing members to the European parliament was rather more complex than some wide scale swing for people to vote along 'ism' lines, and moreover, this is not a moral question so much as it is a nationalism question. These are not interchangeable concepts...but then you knew that

Edited January 23, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

A.J, I carefully pointed out that voting ideologically is the exception, not the rule.

No. You said political parties without pragmatic policies get short shrift at the polls.

You don't get to change what you said to match what you wish you said.

[DEDixon 39]

No. You said political parties without pragmatic policies get short shrift at the polls.

You don't get to change what you said to match what you wish you said.

LOL, my honey tries that a lot.

Edited January 23, 2010 by DEDixon

[Peikko 1,575]

No. You said political parties without pragmatic policies get short shrift at the polls.

You don't get to change what you said to match what you wish you said.

Message boards are ongoing conversations A.J, with context, who knew?

Moreover, the vote for the BNP was no so much a vote for something as a lack of any vote in a more traditional direction. The BNP are nationalists and they do have a pragmatic, allbeit racist agenda. Their policy is to remove the UK from the EU which has nothing to do with morality.

I should say one of their policies. They do have others of course.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

she was not happy ... and not comfortable ....

wow ... you used the word fortnight ... wonder how many people know that that means without using google?

14 days. Anyone old enough to vote should know that. Anyone old enough to ride a bike SHOULD know that but they don't

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The BNP are nationalists and they do have a pragmatic, allbeit racist agenda.

omg you are hilariously disingenuous!

This is a direct copy-paste from their Mission Statement. These are the first three paragraphs. Point out the pragmatic part, please.

The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia.

We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe.

The migrations of the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norse and closely related kindred peoples have been, over the past few thousands years, instrumental in defining the character of our family of nations.

[dalegg 143]

uh oh, i'm in 100% agreement. i guess i have to go hug a tree now.

eta: include in the above for life of mother.

What if the abortion could save the lives of others? Like what if Hitler's mother wanted to have an abortion? Would that be moral or immoral?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

What if the abortion could save the lives of others? Like what if Hitler's mother wanted to have an abortion? Would that be moral or immoral?

Maybe in the future when Neil's Bohr (the VJ poster) develops time travel technology.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

LOL, my honey tries that a lot.

yeah and then try to say they are confused by the language. That one is wearing thin, Alla has nearly qualified for her teaching certificate in ENGLISH and is student teaching now.

[dalegg 143]

Maybe in the future when Neil's Bohr (the VJ poster) develops time travel technology.

Hurray for Engineers!!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Generally and relatively speaking, yes it makes it less painful. But experiences really vary - everyone responds very differently to an epidural. Plus, most women labor for many hours before getting one.

So, how about I don't talk about prostate exams or how much it hurts to get kicked in the balls and the men don't pretend to know about giving birth? It's pretty far removed from the topic anyhow. I would hope that no one would get an abortion just because they didn't to experience the pain of child birth!

JENN!!! I missed you in the Marth Coakley thread. Who won? What's the latest with government health care?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I am absolutely against abortion except in cases of incest or rape or risk of the life of the mother.

You don't want a baby? Don't have sex or use contraception.

MHO.

I'm sorry but I firmly believe it's a child, not a choice.

I agree regarding abortion.

I also do not push my beliefs on others and do not think the government should. Forcing me or anyone else to follow the morals of myself or you or a religion is out of bounds in a free country.