56% of all Americans and 58% of those 18-29 yrs old say abortion immoral

[Danno 1,228]

Rubbish. Most people are not interested in telling other people how to live their lives, they are too busy living their own.

I find it fascinating though, that despite all your predictions of moral bankcruptcy due to this degenerate society that we have had to suffer for the last, what 50 years?, the majority of young people in fact have a very sound moral compass. How do you explain that?

SInce "you" find their moral compass "sound".... I am starting to worry.

I suspect your "North" is not that same as many other peoples.

But at any rate, there is nothing new under the sun, the ebb N flow of morality in nations and generations is a constant.

[panamania79 2]

56% of all Americans and 58% of those 18-29 years old say abortion ‘morally wrong’

(NEW HAVEN, CT) – On the eve of the 37th anniversary of the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion throughout the United States, a new survey shows a strong majority of Americans believe abortion to be “morally wrong."

“Millennials” (those 18-29) consider abortion to be “morally wrong” even more (58%) than Baby Boomers (those 45-64) (51%). Generation X (those 30-44) are similar to Millennials (60% see abortion as “morally wrong”). More than 6 in 10 of the Greatest Generation (those 65+) feel the same.

http://www.kofc.org/un/eb/en/news/polls/index.html

I am against abortion except in cases like these:

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[_Simpson_ 250]

Rubbish. Most people are not interested in telling other people how to live their lives, they are too busy living their own.

I find it fascinating though, that despite all your predictions of moral bankcruptcy due to this degenerate society that we have had to suffer for the last, what 50 years?, the majority of young people in fact have a very sound moral compass. How do you explain that?

If they had such a sound moral compass there wouldnt be so many abortions. You have some serious spin going on here MC. That said I think our youth get it but when it comes down to crunch time they take the easy road(or so they think), sad very sad.

Edited January 23, 2010 by _Simpson_

[Danno 1,228]

To the OP - of course abortion is morally wrong.

Yet, everyone does something morally wrong at least once in their lives. I do not support abortion (who does?). Yet, I support choice and I am against making abortions illegal. If the question was asked differently: do you think women should be legally liable for abortion? The poll would give quite a different outcome.

Also, as there are too many people on the planet anyway, it would be morally wrong to make unwanted babies and/or to have more children than one can reasonably support.

...hopefully not as in "the baby's father decides he wants no babies so a woman is required to abort"?

-First of all, if they asked the question different it would then be meaningless as the exercise is to compare the same question asked to different people at different years to track changes.

-At this point there are not too many people on the planet (though that could be a future problem), prior predictions never panned out.

- As has been pointed out before, the very countries in which abortions are common are in fact declining in their population to a dramatic degree.

[Peikko 1,575]

SInce "you" find their moral compass "sound".... I am starting to worry.

I suspect your "North" is not that same as many other peoples.

But at any rate, there is nothing new under the sun, the ebb N flow of morality in nations and generations is a constant.

Morality ebbs and flows in nations and generations? That's a pretty meaningless statement. However, either you believe that society's moral bankcruptcy has an effect on the members of that society or you do not. Which is it?

As for my presonal morality, Danno, the only thing you know about it is that I have no desire to dictate to other people how they should set their moral compass. That does not mean I do not have one, nor does it mean that I don't want other people to acquire one either.

[Peikko 1,575]

If they had such a sound moral compass there wouldnt be so many abortions. You have some serious spin going on here MC. That said I think our youth get it but when it comes down to crunch time they take the easy road(or so they think), sad very sad.

Abortion is sad on many levels, but being sad doesn't make it unnecessary, being sad doesn't mean having one doesn't prevent a worse scenario occuring.

[Danno 1,228]

I am against abortion except in cases like these:

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Thats sad.

That girl needed a father and family way more than an abortion.

Dam the system which inadvertently helps create all this in the name of "aid".

[Peikko 1,575]

As for abortion being the 'easy' road, I would say that's only the case when it's the morning after pill type scenario, for the rest, it's not an easy road by any stretch of the imagination.

[DEDixon 39]

Fair to consider his opinion, yes. Any good person would.

Yet, a woman would have to consent to devote her time and effort for 8 months (say she was not aware about pregnancy until 1 month past). She would have to go through painful birth process, which may kill her or cause her health complications (it happens). All that to bring a child into the world to be raised with no mother? That does not seem like a very good idea somehow. If mother is adamant about not wanting this baby, one can try to persuade her, but how can one require it?

time and effort for 8 months.... lol, seems an easy choice, kill or let live, take care of yourself for 8 months out of a life time.... huge sacrifice, in deed.

painful birth process.. from what i hear, it isn't painful these days, the minute the pain starts, they can inject her.

could kill the mother.... if this were a high risk, no woman would get pregnant so why mention it. this one makes you seem desperate to make your case (sorry... just sayin)

health complication... no doubt, pregnancy can be easy for some and darn difficult and miserable for others.

how can one require it... some fathers have tried the courts, but i'm too lazy to look for any successful cases. i don't think men have pressed that hard to establish their rights in this matter so aren't that many cases out there. if there were a lot of cases, i'm betting fathers would have more rights, because with more cases, it then becomes a political issue rather than just a few men trying to fight the system.

All that to bring a child into the world to be raised with no mother... lol again... no mother, no father, so what, when did both parents suddenly become a priority in america?

[Danno 1,228]

Morality ebbs and flows in nations and generations? That's a pretty meaningless statement. However, either you believe that society's moral bankcruptcy has an effect on the members of that society or you do not. Which is it?

As for my presonal morality, Danno, the only thing you know about it is that I have no desire to dictate to other people how they should set their moral compass. That does not mean I do not have one, nor does it mean that I don't want other people to acquire one either.

I'm calling B.S. on that.

[Peikko 1,575]

OK, what morality am I trying to push on other people Danno? Allowing people the choice isn't telling them what to do.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Abortion is sad on many levels, but being sad doesn't make it unnecessary, being sad doesn't mean having one doesn't prevent a worse scenario occuring.

scenario worse than death, I would have to disagree.

[Peikko 1,575]

time and effort for 8 months.... lol, seems an easy choice, kill or let live, take care of yourself for 8 months out of a life time.... huge sacrifice, in deed.

painful birth process.. from what i hear, it isn't painful these days, the minute the pain starts, they can inject her.

could kill the mother.... if this were a high risk, no woman would get pregnant so why mention it. this one makes you seem desperate to make your case (sorry... just sayin)

health complication... no doubt, pregnancy can be easy for some and darn difficult and miserable for others.

how can one require it... some fathers have tried the courts, but i'm too lazy to look for any successful cases. i don't think men have pressed that hard to establish their rights in this matter so aren't that many cases out there. if there were a lot of cases, i'm betting fathers would have more rights, because with more cases, it then becomes a political issue rather than just a few men trying to fight the system.

All that to bring a child into the world to be raised with no mother... lol again... no mother, no father, so what, when did both parents suddenly become a priority in america?

Dixon, I can safely say you know absolutely nothing about giving birth. Using pain killers can be dangerous for both mother and baby, so it's not simply a question of mother feeling a bit sore and the Dr swooping in and administering anaesthetic and zap, no pain. How silly.

[Danno 1,228]

OK, what morality am I trying to push on other people Danno? Allowing people the choice isn't telling them what to do.

No, you do it in other ways, we all do, some just pretend.

DO you believe it is moral to insure every person has healthcare, would you vote to impose this system on those who don't want to?

I could throw a hundred such questions.

Bottom line; we as citizens have a right and perhaps obligation to "collectively" impose our morals on others.

[Peikko 1,575]

scenario worse than death, I would have to disagree.

There are many things worse than death - hence why people seek suicide and euthanasia. It seems that you lead a sheltered life Dixon. Mind you, you are equating a fetus with a baby which is also rather ridiculous but I know you don't understand the difference because this discussion has happened before.