56% of all Americans and 58% of those 18-29 yrs old say abortion immoral

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You ask really silly questions - as if there should be consistency on anything vaguely analogous that you can dream up, regardless of any consideration of the specific issues involved that make them different.

[Revenesque 2]

...should a woman have this right to end the life in her womb at anytime... right up to the moment it is crowning?

She has the right as the current and active law allows. Whether it's morally right or wrong is just your opinion.

[DEDixon 39]

btw my feelings on abortion...sh*t happens sometimes. things are sometimes unplanned even if you're careful and use protection. a fetus is not a person until it's able to survive on its own outside the womb. if you don't think you can take care of a child properly and give it a good life for whatever reason then have an early abortion. adoption is an option only if you think you're strong enough that you'll be able to give up the baby after carrying it for that long.

a baby can not survive outside the womb on its own either. so i guess we should be able to kill people until they can survive on their own... anyone younger than say 13 are subject to die when parents decide ####### happens.

[Amby 490]

a baby can not survive outside the womb on its own either. so i guess we should be able to kill people until they can survive on their own... anyone younger than say 13 are subject to die when parents decide ####### happens.

you know what I meant. stop being an azz.

[DEDixon 39]

you know what I meant. stop being an azz.

nope, i didn't know what you meant.

[Amby 490]

nope, i didn't know what you meant.

At 24 weeks a fetus can survive outside of the womb. It will be very small, very, not completely developed, not have a very huge chance of survival, and have to rely on machines to live, but it is able to survive "on its own" as in without the mother's body.

Edited January 25, 2010 by Amby

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yet more ridiculous analogies. Joy

[Danno 1,228]

At 24 weeks a fetus can survive outside of the womb. It will be very small, very, not completely developed, not have a very huge chance of survival, and have to rely on machines to live, but it is able to survive "on its own" as in without the mother's body.

Actually that date... when a fetus can survive is based more on the advances of medical science than reason or principle.

How much imagination does it take to realize soon, "artificial wombs" will be developed which would allow full development outside the "mothers" womb to take place.

Just sayin.

B)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its a shame that there aren't artificial parents to adopt and take care of the "tank" babies

Even if artificial wombs are developed it still doesn't change the mother's fundamental right to determine what happens to her biological property.

[FortLaudy 10]

It should be a personal choice, just like we shouldn't be able to bible bash anyone into guilt we should not be telling people what to do with their own bodies, just be thankful if you've never been in such a horrible situation to have had to make that decision or that you will be and respect those people that have.

A friend of mine in high school was an extremely intelligent and beautiful girl, she won just about every beauty pageant in the city, she got pregnant at 15 with her 15 year old boyfriend and went to her GP for help, he was an old family friend and agreed no to tell her grandmother whom she was living with. He gave her 2 pills to take, she only took one, they had to scrape the remainder of the fetus out of her, today she is happily married, but has ovarian cysts and struggling to fall pregnant, I don't know if it's due to the abortion complications but I know this abortion affected her for the rest of her life. I also know that if she had that kid her life would pretty much have been over, she threatened to commit suicide or try and get rid of the baby on her own... she was definetely not ready to have a baby much less take care of it, so at the time I supported her decision and learned a huge lesson about contraception as I feared that might happen to me in future, thank God it never did, but I respect the decisions of those girls that go through this, and for damn sure, if I ever did get raped I would have an abortion, no doubt.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

..only comments

Actually you took my "value of an egg" a lot farther then I intended.

I was simply trying to highlight the Eagles Egg is considered much more than just a group of meaningless cells as someone suggested.

No, there is no expectation by anyone (that I am aware of) that Eagles will be jailed should they mishandle their eggs.

Since you have thought this thing out so well let me ask you, should a woman have this right to end the life in her womb at anytime... right up to the moment it is crowning?

It is not up to me to decide that and should not be up to you...or the government. I am against abortion. I am not against a woman's choice to kill her own fetus. She ought to have at least the same options an Eagle has. I am not going to get trapped in such silly arguments, I DO NOT make decisions for other people. I do not and will not.

I am NOT the one saying abortion is OK for rape and incest, it is not for me to say, except for my own body. For me, it is NOT OK, I am not going to decide for others.

Here is where I stand (I already said this) Put the abortion issue out of the argument. It is not a political argument. It is not for me to argue or for you to argue. No more than I should say what color you paint your bedroom, none of my business. What happens in my body or my wife's body is none of your business. It is not the government's business, it is not religion's business, it is MY business or more precisely OUR business (despite what the law says I cannot imagine my wife getting an abortion without discussing it with me) Abortion is, simply, a non-issue.

Let me be very clear since this stuff seems to go overhead for a lot of people. I DID NOT say that a fetus is no more important than paint. I SAID that MY choice of paint color does not and should not apply to you, nor should my choice of the value of a fetus. It applies to ME and ME only. Your choice should apply to you.

Who you sleep with, what you park in your driveway, what you eat, smoke, shoot, where your kids go to school, how you pay for food and health care are ALL non-issues. I do not care, I will not tell you what to do, please do not tell me what to do.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It should be a personal choice, just like we shouldn't be able to bible bash anyone into guilt we should not be telling people what to do with their own bodies, just be thankful if you've never been in such a horrible situation to have had to make that decision or that you will be and respect those people that have.

A friend of mine in high school was an extremely intelligent and beautiful girl, she won just about every beauty pageant in the city, she got pregnant at 15 with her 15 year old boyfriend and went to her GP for help, he was an old family friend and agreed no to tell her grandmother whom she was living with. He gave her 2 pills to take, she only took one, they had to scrape the remainder of the fetus out of her, today she is happily married, but has ovarian cysts and struggling to fall pregnant, I don't know if it's due to the abortion complications but I know this abortion affected her for the rest of her life. I also know that if she had that kid her life would pretty much have been over, she threatened to commit suicide or try and get rid of the baby on her own... she was definetely not ready to have a baby much less take care of it, so at the time I supported her decision and learned a huge lesson about contraception as I feared that might happen to me in future, thank God it never did, but I respect the decisions of those girls that go through this, and for damn sure, if I ever did get raped I would have an abortion, no doubt.

Can have your friend's phone number for my party list?

Actually that date... when a fetus can survive is based more on the advances of medical science than reason or principle.

How much imagination does it take to realize soon, "artificial wombs" will be developed which would allow full development outside the "mothers" womb to take place.

Just sayin.

B)

Non-issue. Just sayin'

[rika60607 215]

Danno, you can work for less.

Just give the excess to charity, or even gift it back to your employer.

Sheesh. Send it to me, if you have nothing better to do with it

Better yet, volunteer! It's perfectly legal!

Here take another swing.

If I want to work below the minimum wage I am prevented by laws made by people who claim that .....what we do with our body is "our business" not the governments.

Why do libs want to control my body my ability to conduct my own wage bargaining?

[Danno 1,228]

It should be a personal choice, just like we shouldn't be able to bible bash anyone into guilt we should not be telling people what to do with their own bodies, just be thankful if you've never been in such a horrible situation to have had to make that decision or that you will be and respect those people that have.

A friend of mine in high school was an extremely intelligent and beautiful girl, she won just about every beauty pageant in the city, she got pregnant at 15 with her 15 year old boyfriend and went to her GP for help, he was an old family friend and agreed no to tell her grandmother whom she was living with. He gave her 2 pills to take, she only took one, they had to scrape the remainder of the fetus out of her, today she is happily married, but has ovarian cysts and struggling to fall pregnant, I don't know if it's due to the abortion complications but I know this abortion affected her for the rest of her life. I also know that if she had that kid her life would pretty much have been over, she threatened to commit suicide or try and get rid of the baby on her own... she was definetely not ready to have a baby much less take care of it, so at the time I supported her decision and learned a huge lesson about contraception as I feared that might happen to me in future, thank God it never did, but I respect the decisions of those girls that go through this, and for damn sure, if I ever did get raped I would have an abortion, no doubt.

- You assume a bit much to suppose others "have no experience" in this matter.

-From your words we can see that you "know" the abortion affected her the rest of her life" and you speculate adoption might have been worse. (Think I'll stick with your facts first)

- emotional stories are I guess interesting but I would think hardly a logical way to draw up personal standards or make laws.

[FortLaudy 10]

- You assume a bit much to suppose others "have no experience" in this matter.

-From your words we can see that you "know" the abortion affected her the rest of her life" and you speculate adoption might have been worse. (Think I'll stick with your facts first)

- emotional stories are I guess interesting but I would think hardly a logical way to draw up personal standards or make laws.

Really didn't assume others have no experience at all, just speaking from my personal experience and I always just think Thank whoever I've never been in that situation and don't think it's right that we should force every woman to have to go through with an unwanted pregnancy, her body, her choice in my opinion.

Because she was such a close friend of mine and I knew her personal life so well and all of her family members I cannot say for sure which would have been the better choice, I only know that she did not want that baby, or be pregnant with it or give birth to it or have anything to do with it, and she was very adamant about that and I'm pretty sure had that doc not given her those 2 pills she would have tried to do something to kill it herself or find someone in a back alley to do it if you can catch my drift, she simply did not want to be pregnant, and could have died in the process of trying to get rid of the pregnancy by herself had she not had the access to those pills - to her it meant shame, embarrassment in the community, the loss of her modelling career, being out of school (where she was miss popular) etc.