Those who filed their i-751?

[mehra 0]

Hi everybody ,

I have a question which you maybe able to answer. In I-751 form there is a section for US citizen spouse and there is a question about A # (if any). My spouse got citizenship through naturalization. Is this number the same number on top right corner of naturalization certificate or this is a N/A question?

[v333k 59]

Hi everybody ,

I have a question which you maybe able to answer. In I-751 form there is a section for US citizen spouse and there is a question about A # (if any). My spouse got citizenship through naturalization. Is this number the same number on top right corner of naturalization certificate or this is a N/A question?

No, if your spouse is a USC then you leave that blank. This is only needed if your spouse is also a GC holder.

Edited January 21, 2010 by v333k

[happilycontent 16]

I didn't leave anything blank, I put N/A for that part.

[v333k 59]

I didn't leave anything blank, I put N/A for that part.

That works too.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

If your US citizen spouse received his citizenship through naturalization, then yes the A# that is on his Naturalization papers is his alien number and that is the number you would use. If he was a US citizen by birth he would not have an A number and therefore you would use N/A (not applicable). Since he got citizenship through Naturalization, he does have an A number.

Edited January 22, 2010 by Kathryn41

[mehra 0]

I agree with Kathryn 41.I took another look and there is an A number in naturalization certificate which I think it need to be included.Anyway thanks everybody for sharing your ideas.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

I am not buying that sight unseen.

At naturalization, the alien surrenders their green card, their alien status, and their alien number. Unlike Mexico, the US does not recognize 2nd class citizens. A US citizen, whether born or naturalized, is a US citizen, and US citizens do not have an alien number anymore.

Proof me wrong with a source.

[TracyTN 237]

US citizens may not have an A number anymore, but they have one tied to them because their naturalization application had to be submitted on the basis of their permanent residency, which by default gives them an A number.

Is the A number relevant to the new US citizen going forward? No. Does it make a naturalized US citizen different from a US born US citizen (as far as their rights, etc)? No.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

No argument here.

Still not proving me wrong. Show me it's required for a naturalized citizen to dig out his or her old A number and fill it in. I'll bet you can't do that and I'll bet nobody else can do that either. If it were required, USCIS would engage in a discriminatory practice, plain and simple.

This field is for one purpose only: if the petitioning spouse is an LPR but not a citizen. For that very reason proof of citizenship can be provided by birth certificate, naturalization certificate, and passport, the latter one giving no clue to the duration of citizenship at all.

Hence, citizens leave the field open, LPRs fill in their A number.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

If the form requests the A number I honestly don't see why it is such a big deal about providing it. The application clearly states 'Information about the Spouse or Parent Through Whom you gained Your Conditional Residence". It asks for family name, first name, middle name, address, DOB, SSN (if any) and A-Number (if any). No where does it state - only if your spouse is an LPR do you fill out the A-number. It states, if any. As a Naturalized US citizen you still have an A number, therefore you include it. The instructions state: 3. Answer all questions fully and accurately. state that an item is not applicable with "N/A"; If the answer is none, write 'None"

Following those instructions there is no option for leaving the Spousal A number blank. It is either not applicable or none. Since there is an A number, it is neither of those options, so the person writes in their spouse's A number whether they are a naturalized US citizen or an LPR. In fact, writing N/A or none could be considered misrepresentation, and we all know how USCIS feels about that!

It also wouldn't be the first time that USCIS has engaged in discriminatory practices, either - why should that surprise you?

Edited January 23, 2010 by Kathryn41

[igomo 0]

I disagree. You're either an alien or a citizen. You can't be both !

If the form requests the A number I honestly don't see why it is such a big deal about providing it. The application clearly states 'Information about the Spouse or Parent Through Whom you gained Your Conditional Residence". It asks for family name, first name, middle name, address, DOB, SSN (if any) and A-Number (if any). No where does it state - only if your spouse is an LPR do you fill out the A-number. It states, if any. As a Naturalized US citizen you still have an A number, therefore you include it. The instructions state: 3. Answer all questions fully and accurately. state that an item is not applicable with "N/A"; If the answer is none, write 'None"

Following those instructions there is no option for leaving the Spousal A number blank. It is either not applicable or none. Since there is an A number, it is neither of those options, so the person writes in their spouse's A number whether they are a naturalized US citizen or an LPR. In fact, writing N/A or none could be considered misrepresentation, and we all know how USCIS feels about that!

It also wouldn't be the first time that USCIS has engaged in discriminatory practices, either - why should that surprise you?

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

Kat,

I have the highest respect for you, but here I disagree: you are either a US citizen or an alien. US citizens don't have A numbers. It really is that simple.

"What's your citizenship status, maaam?" I'm a US citizen, Officer." What's your Alien number then? You've got to be kidding me . . .

Edited January 24, 2010 by Just Bob

[Shami 0]

May be this will help

What is the A# and the Alien Registration Number? Are they the same thing?

Yes, these are two terms for the same thing. The A# is a case number that USCIS assigns to certain people, and then

(usually, for exceptions see below) stays with you for the rest of your life, much like a Social Security Number. Most

people get their A# when they apply for adjustment of status. It is also assigned if you apply for an employment

authorization document (such as an F-1 OPT), a V visa, find yourself in deportation proceedings, and in a number of

other situations.

Many USCIS forms ask for the A#. If you do not have one yet, simply write "None".

There actually are four separate types of A#. You can tell them apart by the number of digits and the first digit. The first

kind is an eight-digit A#. These are manually assigned at local offices. If you have one of these numbers, simply treated it

as if it was "0" plus the number. Nine-digit A#'s that start with the digit 1 are used for employment authorization cards,

usually related to students. Nine-digit A#'s that start with the digit 3 are used for fingerprint tracking of V visa applicants.

All other nine-digit A#'s (these actually always start with a 0) are permanent A#'s and remain permanently with you for

life.

Therefore, the rule is: if you are asked for an A# and have one, always give this A#, regardless of whether it starts with a

0, 1 or 3. If you have both a 0-A# and a 1-A# or a 3-A#, then use the one that starts with a 0.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

My US citizenship Certificate has my A number on it. If, as a US citizen I no longer have an A number then it would not be recorded on the document. Since it is, obviously, I do. US citizens who obtain their citizenship through Naturalization do have an A number. There is one difference between Naturalized citizens and born citizens that make retaining the A number a reasonable expectation. Born citizens can never lose their citizenship. Naturalized citizens can under certain specific circumstances - many that relate to misrepresentation on their immigration files - thus, the naturalized US citizen is always going to be tied to their A number and their immigration file for the rest of their lives. So, if you've got it, use it.

[TracyTN 237]

No argument here.

Still not proving me wrong. Show me it's required for a naturalized citizen to dig out his or her old A number and fill it in. I'll bet you can't do that and I'll bet nobody else can do that either. If it were required, USCIS would engage in a discriminatory practice, plain and simple.

This field is for one purpose only: if the petitioning spouse is an LPR but not a citizen. For that very reason proof of citizenship can be provided by birth certificate, naturalization certificate, and passport, the latter one giving no clue to the duration of citizenship at all.

Hence, citizens leave the field open, LPRs fill in their A number.

I wasn't trying to prove you wrong. I was just stating what (to me) seems to be the obvious.

But if you want an argument, by all means keep it up - I'm sure someone will have one with you!