Coakley's Loss: Pie in the President's Face

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I asked specifically about that rhetoric, and was told how he was special and would do things differently, unlike that ogre Hilary. It was ####### then and it's ####### now but you wouldn't be honest enough to say so. That is what I find so awful about politics.

I don't believe Obama is as clueless as the extreme right wingers on VJ OT of course, he's not at all clueless, but he has not played his cards very well at all, and that can be directly attributed to being rather wet behind the ears, in my opinion.

Well, he has worked at doing some things differently and there was a lot of discontent with the idea of putting another Clinton in the White House. In retrospect, I think Hillary would have been a good choice as president, however, she would have had her own setbacks and failures to deal with. Inheriting the mess of the previous administration is no small task. Whether it's fair or not, as the OP stated, Obama will be judged on whether this economy can turn around fast enough.

Only extreme left wingers think Barry's not clueless.

It's hard to take you seriously when talk politics with the insight of a hair dresser.

[Peikko 1,575]

Well, it's not over, he can still do some good for the American people, and of course it was a game changing moment for a section of the American community, and that's not a bad thing.

[DEDixon 39]

Well, he has worked at doing some things differently and there was a lot of discontent with the idea of putting another Clinton in the White House. In retrospect, I think Hillary would have been a good choice as president, however, she would have had her own setbacks and failures to deal with. Inheriting the mess of the previous administration is no small task. Whether it's fair or not, as the OP stated, Obama will be judged on whether this economy can turn around fast enough.

like what?

also, i really didn't want hillary. bush 1 and bush 2 was enough as for family in the whitehouse. electing someone like hillary, in my opinion, makes us look shallow. i mean, if we can't look any deeper than the current insiders, it says we are really lazy... too lazy to consider anyone beyond who is familiar... pathetic!

[Peikko 1,575]

Only extreme left wingers think Barry's not clueless.

Which just makes you look like you don't know where the center ground lies. Mind you, I know you don't like pragmatism, that's too wishy washy for fundamentalists like yourself

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It's hard to take you seriously when talk politics with the insight of a hair dresser.

Who takes you seriously, Steven? You rarely post a topic that doesn't include a link to another person's opinion. When is the last time you had an original thought?

Which just makes you look like you don't know where the center ground lies. Mind you, I know you don't like pragmatism, that's too wishy washy for fundamentalists like yourself

Your calling someone "extreme" because they aren't liberal tells us alot about where your middle ground is, and it's no where near the center.

[Peikko 1,575]

Who takes you seriously, Steven? You rarely post a topic that doesn't include a link to another person's opinion. When is the last time you had an original thought?

Your calling someone "extreme" because they aren't liberal tells us alot about where your middle ground is, and it's no where near the center.

No, you are a fundamentalist because of your views, not because you aren't liberal.

Edited January 20, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[one...two...tree 2,762]

like what?

David Corn wrote this back on Monday which sums it up pretty accurately:

Obama the candidate railed against business as usual in Washington. But since he hit the White House, he has generally adopted D.C. rules. His administration implemented new guidelines about lobbyists serving in government, but it awarded exemptions to those lobbyists it wanted in its ranks. While there are new hurdles, former lobbyists for Goldman Sachs and other special interests have obtained key positions.

Obama has ordered greater transparency throughout government. But his White House had to be pressured to release the names of visitors, and he abandoned his campaign pledge to televise negotiations concerning health care reform. And well-connected people who were part of the problems that led to the economic collapse have been placed in charge of fixing the system.

With health care reform, Obama focused on the (ugly and messy) insider game of striking deals in Washington. He relied on Rahm Emanuel more than his 13 million-strong volunteer army left over from the campaign. It's quite possible that was the only way to pass legislation. But it has seemed a very traditional course. And his media strategy has been traditional as well. He was quite generous with the press conferences for most of the year, but in recent weeks he has been distant.

It's tough to change a system while engaging it. For instance, Obama has not done as much as he could to cut wasteful Pentagon spending. But squeezing the Pentagon could make it more difficult for him to work with military leaders on Afghanistan and other matters -- just as declaring war on special interest lobbying and campaign fundraising could create obstacles to working with Congress.

There's a lot that is indeed different in Washington under Obama. Government agencies like the EPA and FDA are essentially back in business. The Department of Interior is no longer a hotbed of industry-coddling. FEMA is being run by an expert. But it certainly is understandable if many citizens don't see a much-improved Washington. Even if that is due to the continuous intense partisanship partly caused by an obstructionist and more conservative GOP, Obama remains on the hook for what has gone undelivered on the change front.

Obama has not achieved what might be termed a change breakthrough: an action so clearly a break from the worst standard operating practices of Washington that its significance cannot be denied or ignored by those who pay only casual attention to the machinations of the capital city. The demands of governance might prevent Obama from accomplishing this. A president focused on saving the economy might be less inclined to confront fully the Washington establishment. And, no doubt, voters this coming November and two years hence will be more mindful of the unemployment stats than any change-Washington index. Yet none of this means that the disappointment felt by those who yearned for change is any less real.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/18/ob...ngton-is-tough/

[Sofiyya 1,687]

No, you are extreme because of your views, not because you aren't liberal.

If you think my views extreme right, it's only because yours are extreme left.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Who takes you seriously, Steven? You rarely post a topic that doesn't include a link to another person's opinion. When is the last time you had an original thought?

Sofi, you are obviously quite capable in giving intelligent insight into politics without dumbing it down to juvenile insults and simplistic black and white dualities, but for some God knows reason, you choose the latter. That's fine...just don't expect me to take you seriously when you do.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

If the Mass Dems didn't change the law back in 2004 (to keep Romney from picking a Senator if Kerry won) Kirk would be in until 2012.

It seems to have backfired.

[Peikko 1,575]

If you think my views extreme right, it's only because yours are extreme left.

Of course, that's it, that's exactly how I came to the conclusion that you are a fundamentalist Brilliant.

By the way, I didn't use the word extreme Sophi dear, you did.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Sofi, you are obviously quite capable in giving intelligent insight into politics without dumbing it down to juvenile insults and simplistic black and white dualities, but for some God knows reason, you choose the latter. That's fine...just don't expect me to take you seriously when you do.

What gave you the idea that I ever expected you to take my political views seriously? Have I been agreeing with you much lately?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Of course, that's it, that's exactly how I came to the conclusion that you are a fundamentalist Brilliant.

By the way, I didn't use the word extreme Sophi dear, you did.

Please. Read what you write.

[Peikko 1,575]

[Sofiyya 1,687]

There are meds for that.