Has anyone ever used this for evidence?

[JoeCanuk 3]

Uh, Bob - he knows he can't vote.

It is also legal for an LPR to own a firearm, as long as there is no state/local law against it.

Even says so in the USCIS M-618 pamplet they give LPR's (page 8)

Thank you.

[sh18 3]

You do understand that voting is prohibited for LPRs, correct? If you voted, you would lose your LPR status, be deported, and be banned for the US for the rest of your life.

There is some serious discussion going on among constitutional scholars, people who know more about the constitution than you, me, your wife, my wife, and all our children combined, and according to those super smart experts it is not clear whether the second amendment applies to non-citizens, LPRs included. Just google "Second Amendment non citizens" and you can spend a week reading this.

If non-citzens are indeed not allowed to bear arms, then owning a firearm is a firearm violation. Firearm violations, just like drug-related and prostitution-related offenses (child porn included). make an LPR deportable with a lifelong ban attached. For that reason, immigration attorneys clearly advise LPRs not to touch any gun, not even with a hunting permit and a gun permit.

It's totally up to you whether or not you want to use it, but if you do, there's no help for you. You might as well vote. They don't ask for proof of citizenship there either. Always remember: not knowing something doesn't count as an excuse. "I'm sorry, Detective, I didn't know it's illegal to kill somebody." And assuming something is legal, doesn't count either: "I'm sorry, your Honor, I truly assuming it's legal for me to own a gun."

Good luck to you.

Instead of coming up with wrong information you should provide the source: how is it illegal when it is really legal to own a gun for permanent resident ?

[Dakine 26]

No, I'm sending my application out today. I see how you miunderstood. I was eligible to send it in November but didn't have the funds.

You'll get a NOA1/Extension letter from USCIS which is as I said a government letter to your address.

I believe in " the more ammo the better". I wouldn't send it tho.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

Instead of coming up with wrong information you should provide the source: how is it illegal when it is really legal to own a gun for permanent resident ?

Is it legal or illegal for gays to marry? It's illegal in California and therefore gays can't marry here. Well, actually, gays were able to get married in California just awhile ago, when the California Supreme Court declared a prohibition of same sex marriages unconstitutional. In other States of the Union gays still can get married though. The reason this is the case, is the interpretation of constitutional law. It's almost like interpreting the Bible and there is often no general agreement among even the most experienced scholars. Throw abortion and gun ownership for non-citizens into the same pot.

Hence, eventually the US Supreme Court will make a decision and override State law, and the decision is partially dependent upon who are the judges are. The same is pending regarding the 2nd Amendment eventually. And if they interpret the law in a way that makes your Indiana gun permit worth as much as used toilet paper, the sh*t hits the fan.

My point was, and still is: why taking any chances because of an address alone?

[sh18 3]

Is it legal or illegal for gays to marry? It's illegal in California and therefore gays can't marry here. Well, actually, gays were able to get married in California just awhile ago, when the California Supreme Court declared a prohibition of same sex marriages unconstitutional. In other States of the Union gays still can get married though. The reason this is the case, is the interpretation of constitutional law. It's almost like interpreting the Bible and there is often no general agreement among even the most experienced scholars.

If it is legal at this moment in your state then you're allowed to get married: not that it matters from immigration perspective.

Throw abortion and gun ownership for non-citizens into the same pot.

Abortion is legal in all states: there is nothing controversial about that law. Gun ownership is the same.

[JoeCanuk 3]

Is it legal or illegal for gays to marry? It's illegal in California and therefore gays can't marry here. Well, actually, gays were able to get married in California just awhile ago, when the California Supreme Court declared a prohibition of same sex marriages unconstitutional. In other States of the Union gays still can get married though. The reason this is the case, is the interpretation of constitutional law. It's almost like interpreting the Bible and there is often no general agreement among even the most experienced scholars. Throw abortion and gun ownership for non-citizens into the same pot.

Hence, eventually the US Supreme Court will make a decision and override State law, and the decision is partially dependent upon who are the judges are. The same is pending regarding the 2nd Amendment eventually. And if they interpret the law in a way that makes your Indiana gun permit worth as much as used toilet paper, the sh*t hits the fan.

My point was, and still is: why taking any chances because of an address alone?

I see what your point is but I don't agree. It is a government issued document, hence it is legal. If any judge interprets the law differently it will not apply to me. They cannot retroactively deport me for obtaining a government issued document that was legal. If they tried, then the sh*t WOULD hit the fan.

Are you then implying that we as LPRs do not have any rights granted in the Constitution? If I don't have the right to a firearm permit then perhaps you don't have the right to free speech. No judge is going to MISinterpret this matter because they cannot. An LPR has every right that a US citizen has except they cannot vote or become president, or commit a serious crime. A legal firearm permit in my possession is not a serious crime and the federal government has plainly stated this. There is no room for misinterpretation or confusion among "scholars".

PS Whether or not I included a copy of the permit in my application would not change the fact that I have one. And the government knows it.

Edited January 13, 2010 by JoeCanuk

[JoeCanuk 3]

You'll get a NOA1/Extension letter from USCIS which is as I said a government letter to your address.

I believe in " the more ammo the better". I wouldn't send it tho.

I'm not sure I understand you. I would not get the NOA1 until after I sent the paperwork.

[sh18 3]

I see what your point is but I don't agree. It is a government issued document, hence it is legal. If any judge interprets the law differently it will not apply to me. They cannot retroactively deport me for obtaining a government issued document that was legal. If they tried, then the sh*t WOULD hit the fan.

Are you then implying that we as LPRs do not have any rights granted in the Constitution? If I don't have the right to a firearm permit then perhaps you don't have the right to free speech. No judge is going to MISinterpret this matter because they cannot. An LPR has every right that a US citizen has except they cannot vote or become president, or commit a serious crime. A legal firearm permit in my possession is not a serious crime and the federal government has plainly stated this. There is no room for misinterpretation or confusion among "scholars".

PS Whether or not I included a copy of the permit in my application would not change the fact that I have one. And the government knows it.

To add: it would be kind of laughable for permanent residents to be able to go to army and die for the USA but not be able to own a gun in their house just like other citizens.