HCMC Interview roll call

[lindal24 1]

Yea, I didn't wait 90 days before I contacted the embassy... I wanted to inquire 30 days after the 2nd blue slip!!

Having been in AP, what I would recommend to others is to send an email once at least every two weeks -- nothing pushy or demanding, simply an inquiry email to let them know you understand that they are still reviewing/processing the case but that you have an active interest in your case.

[fred n Dao Honey 0]

****IMPORTANT NOTE: Processing wait time DOES NOT include the time required for administrative processing. These procedures require additional time. Most administrative processing is resolved within 60 days of application. When administrative processing is required, the timing will vary based on individual circumstances of each case. Therefore, before making inquiries about status of administrative processing, applicants or their representatives will need to wait at least 90 days from the date of interview or submission of supplemental documents, whichever is later. Processing wait time also does not include the time required to return the passport to applicants, by either courier services or the local mail system.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/wait/tem...p;x=72&y=13

Linda's was 91 days... The site says wait 90 days before you inquire about the status of the case in AP.... one must wonder if they have a new goal of 90 days or less... there have been others in for a long time.. Fred, Kevin... and others waited twice as long as Linda or longer to get out of AP....

I submited more evidence of relationship in May. It wasn't anything big. ticket stubs,pictures. I don't know if it changed the AP wait time but, I wanted to be sure they had the option not to send it back to USA. I read what you have here and below.

All was copied from HCMC consulate website

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Section 221(g) of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act states that visa applications lacking required documents must be denied until such time as those documents are submitted and found to be sufficient. If, for any reason, the applicant is not eligible for a visa at the time of the interview, the applicant will receive an explanation in writing and a request for the specific documents still required, if any.

Applicants refused under Section 221(g) who are specifically requested to submit more documents may submit the additional information either via registered mail or in person at the Consulate between 1:00 p.m. and 3:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, except holidays. The applicant should include the blue or green refusal sheet asking for additional information.

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Don't give them the blue paper! it is your pass to get inside!!! "lacking Required documents must be denied" , "May submit additional Information"

Good luck,

Fred

[WeatherEmperor 21]

Thanks for your help. Now I understand that evidence of the bonafide relationship should be submitted at the time of the interview. I have read some other posters say that when they tried to submit evidence at the time of the interview such as time lines and list of relatives in the US, the CO refused to accept those. Basically, how can HCMC tell people to bring evidence to the interview if the CO just refuses to accept some of it anyways?

<CARRICK>

evidence of Bona Fide relationship should be submitted at the time of INTERVIEW. Not before.

The only requirement for the submission of the I-129F is that you have met in person in the past 2 years.

[ScottThuy 140]

So in a nutshell they are using section 221G that was cited in the first blue slip as the basis for them being able to issue the second one and send the file to AP... It appears that they are riding the 221G as long as they feel like....

They asked for additional info at the interview.. regardless of if it was present at the interview or not and required the applicant to return with the documents later only to be handed another blue slip citing the same section 221G... The only thing is, at the second visit the CO now has the docs ("lacking required documents "), but does not feel like reviewing them.

It appears that they are hiding under an umbrella that was not intended to be used in the manner exhibited.

[lindal24 1]

Definately don't give them the original blue/green slip unless they're exchanging it for a pink!!!

[fred n Dao Honey 0]

So in a nutshell they are using section 221G that was cited in the first blue slip as the basis for them being able to issue the second one and send the file to AP... It appears that they are riding the 221G as long as they feel like....

They asked for additional info at the interview.. regardless of if it was present at the interview or not and required the applicant to return with the documents later only to be handed another blue slip citing the same section 221G... The only thing is, at the second visit the CO now has the docs ("lacking required documents "), but does not feel like reviewing them.

It appears that they are hiding under an umbrella that was not intended to be used in the manner exhibited.

It think they are using it to gain time to run an investigation on the applicants. I honestly don't think they "WANT' to turn anyone down. I think they are trying to do their job to the best of their ability and training. They are trained to find mistakes or "RED FLAGS" and act on them. I am sure all of us on here know of at least one fraud case from Vietnam. The consulate has to find good reason to send an application back. What is a good reason? Lack of evidence?

I wish I could have found Visajourney sooner and read more before applying. I am sure most of us were very ignorant and naive of the process before we started. I would have front loaded the application with more about Dao's and my previous spouses residences and living arrangements. It is very frustraiting for all of us to try to find out what is wrong with our applications when they won't communicate. I quote a supervisor at the Consulate, "how can we investigate if I tell you what we are investigating". This was after I said, "Tell me what need more information about, I will get you the answer". So, they are not doing ADDITIONAL PROCESSING. They are investigating you and your loved one and families and relitives and job and more.

Is all this the right way to do their business? I don't think it is wrong but, they could do a better job of helping us understand instead of trying to keep us in the dark.

We the people have failed to educate ourselves. What we are doing now is a good start.

Good luck to all,

Fred

[BinhJerome 14]

Thanks for your help. Now I understand that evidence of the bonafide relationship should be submitted at the time of the interview. I have read some other posters say that when they tried to submit evidence at the time of the interview such as time lines and list of relatives in the US, the CO refused to accept those. Basically, how can HCMC tell people to bring evidence to the interview if the CO just refuses to accept some of it anyways?

<CARRICK>

evidence of Bona Fide relationship should be submitted at the time of INTERVIEW. Not before.

The only requirement for the submission of the I-129F is that you have met in person in the past 2 years.

Because HCMC does not play by the rules, when i go in Tuesday I am going to ask the Co about it as well. I know I have not been in AP for 90 days yet but quite frankly I do not care. I pay my taxes which helps pay their salary, they are supposed to do their job, and I am going to ask why they can give a blue for specific reasons when the person has that information right there with them, and also that if they do not look at all the evidence presented, why can they request more time to process??? They had her there and more info to make a decision yet they did not make it. BS in my mind, if they do not look at all the evidence, then they should have given pink. But Tuesday I will play it by ear and see what the supervisor has to say.

[Dai. 7]

Thanks for your help. Now I understand that evidence of the bonafide relationship should be submitted at the time of the interview. I have read some other posters say that when they tried to submit evidence at the time of the interview such as time lines and list of relatives in the US, the CO refused to accept those. Basically, how can HCMC tell people to bring evidence to the interview if the CO just refuses to accept some of it anyways?

<CARRICK>

evidence of Bona Fide relationship should be submitted at the time of INTERVIEW. Not before.

The only requirement for the submission of the I-129F is that you have met in person in the past 2 years.

Because HCMC does not play by the rules, when i go in Tuesday I am going to ask the Co about it as well. I know I have not been in AP for 90 days yet but quite frankly I do not care. I pay my taxes which helps pay their salary, they are supposed to do their job, and I am going to ask why they can give a blue for specific reasons when the person has that information right there with them, and also that if they do not look at all the evidence presented, why can they request more time to process??? They had her there and more info to make a decision yet they did not make it. BS in my mind, if they do not look at all the evidence, then they should have given pink. But Tuesday I will play it by ear and see what the supervisor has to say.

I am pretty sure it's not the 1st time they heard that we are all tax payers and that we pay their salary. That's not how I would do it but good luck in your endeavors.

Edited October 18, 2009 by Dai_Tx

[Dai. 7]

come to think of it... Like all government organizations like the IRS and social security office we just have to take what they give us. I remember being frustrated whenever I had to deal with the government on my taxes or even to dispute something at the driver's license office. I feels the consulate is going to treat us like the other government agencies in the US where they are paid with US tax payers money.

[Dai. 7]

And then I forgot to add... Like all those government agency it just takes time for the results we want.

Good Luck

[lindal24 1]

I have to disagree w/ you Fred. I do believe that they are doing additional processing, and I am glad that they are. Yes, it affects many of us, but think about all the cases that are fraudulent. We see alot of cases get by, but never hear of those that don't.

This additional time should not affect our relationship with our loved ones, they should make it stronger. People entering into relationship with other individuals from different countries are and should be aware of the commitment they are entering. People in AP need to realize that it isn't personal, there are just things on paper that seem out of place. Those people who entered into fraudulent engagements/marriages did the right things and covered all their bases--they fooled the system--but that will catch up with them sooner than later!

After I was placed into AP, I went and visited the embassy to find out the status of our case. The woman at the window said that our case is pending and left it at that. I was the one that initiated wanting to speak with the CO in charge of our case. If I hadn't asked, I probably would still be in AP. The reason I said this is because when I did come back to speak to the CO, he did ask me to clarify some things for him. Call that additional processing or investigating, I'm glad that my case was picked. It just goes to prove that the COs are doing their jobs to the best of their abilities.

To all those that are in AP or find themselves in AP, hang in there. Be patient, be persistent! Goodluck and all the best!!

[BinhJerome 14]

And then I forgot to add... Like all those government agency it just takes time for the results we want.

Good Luck

I know and that is why I say I will play it by ear when I get there. I want to see how they are reacting as I get a little more pushy, but not to pushy. If they seem on edge then I will just ask questions and if I think i can push it a bit I will.

[lindal24 1]

I would not approach it in this manner, but your actions are your own and no one else s...Just be careful about what you say and how you say it because they will determine you guys' destinies...

[BinhJerome 14]

Lets divide up those of us that are in AP. Please add to this post and put if you are in AP on a K1 visa or on a CR1 visa, please list your first blue and your reason for that blue along with your second blue that put you into the AP limbo. This will help those determine what they need to do, and help us figure out if we can expect results and possibly when. With the difference in case and people emailing and getting the same response that they do not go out of order it might be helpful to separate us all out. Please if you are denied, give us that reason as well. This is the current list of those I know that are in AP

Those of us currently in AP at HCMC:

Vi&Art 8/5/2009 K1 Visa

First blue requesting Proof of Bona fide Relationship & Timeline

JohnCali9 8/6/2009 K1 Visa

First blue requesting Ex-wife's living situation, Timeline

MichaelAndKha 8/15/2009 K1 Visa

First blue requesting Timeline

JeromeBinh 8/20/2009 K1 visa

First blue requesting Ex-wife's living situation, Timeline, and where Binh's family live in the USA

ToanTien 8/20/2009 Cr1 Visa

First blue requesting Proof of Bona fide Relationship & Timeline

Ly Trinh 8/21/2009 CR1 Visa

First blue requesting Timeline

Huong and Phung 9/8/2009 CR1 Visa

First blue Requesting proof of Bona fide Relationship & Timeline

Those who are out of AP w/ results:

Ituan 8/10/2009 - 09/15/2009 - 36 days in AP - Denied

Lindal24 7/8/2009 - 10/7/2009 - 91 days in AP - APPROVED

FrednDaoHoney 1/17/2009 - 10/14/2009 - 271 days in AP - APPROVED

[lindal24 1]

come to think of it... Like all government organizations like the IRS and social security office we just have to take what they give us. I remember being frustrated whenever I had to deal with the government on my taxes or even to dispute something at the driver's license office. I feels the consulate is going to treat us like the other government agencies in the US where they are paid with US tax payers money.

I think this is a little different since this is more subjective than objective. The IRS and SSN offices are supposed to follow rules to the "T" but the consulatar officers, not so much...