4 Year Old Boy killed New Year's Eve by Rifle Shot in Air

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

since a few just ain't getting it...........in short, several rifles use the 7.62x39mm......it's not unique to the ak-47.

Since approximately 1990, the 7.62x39mm cartridge has seen some use in hunting arms in the US for hunting game up to the size of whitetail deer, as it is approximately as powerful as the .30-30 Winchester round, and has a similar ballistic profile. Large numbers of inexpensive imported semiautomatic rifles, like the SKS and AK-47 clones and variants, are available in this caliber.

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zomg the ak-47 is about as powerful as a 30-30 (which is about a 115 year old design). must mean the 30-30 is an assault rifle!

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Gary, You were - and are - trying to twist what I said into something that you want it to say. Fine. I appreciate you have your opinion and that isn't a problem. You asked me for mine but it doesn't seem that you are really interested in allowing me to have my opinion since you feel it necessary to try and ridicule it and convince me to support your opinion instead. You asked, I answered and now you don't like my answer? This really is something you are going to have to deal with for yourself. I am willing to allow you your opinion - we can agree to disagree.

Regardless, the situation remains the same - a 4 year old boy was killed by a bullet that was shot into the air by some one firing a loaded weapon as a way to celebrate the New Year; as per the law of gravity, what goes up must come down - and it did - through the roof of a church and into the head of the child. If the tragedy of this situation is so trivial that people feel it is more important to discuss what calibre of bulllet was used and demand proof of the make of the weapon involved and try to convince others that this story is a reason to support the indiscriminate and irresponsible use of firearms by anyone - well, all I can say is no wonder there is a problem with the use of firearms in the US - the priorities are all screwed up.

Edited January 4, 2010 by Kathryn41

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

All deaths of children are tragic, regardless of circumstance. Any child that dies from idiotic behavior is still a death to make the "Gun" the bad guy is foolish.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh that's just brilliant that is. Let's relativise every child death and write off as "silly" any discussion of the cause.

I got a good one for you Marc: parents leave baby in the car for 4 hours in 100f weather. Baby does not survive. Well making the parents out to be the bad guy is, well, "foolish".

Why does anyone waste their time on foolish concepts like responsibility and cause and effect. What a total waste of time, I ask you!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

since a few just ain't getting it...........in short, several rifles use the 7.62x39mm......it's not unique to the ak-47.

Since approximately 1990, the 7.62x39mm cartridge has seen some use in hunting arms in the US for hunting game up to the size of whitetail deer, as it is approximately as powerful as the .30-30 Winchester round, and has a similar ballistic profile. Large numbers of inexpensive imported semiautomatic rifles, like the SKS and AK-47 clones and variants, are available in this caliber.

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zomg the ak-47 is about as powerful as a 30-30 (which is about a 115 year old design). must mean the 30-30 is an assault rifle!

Its not important to the story or the topic. It wasn't important last night and it isn't important in the cold light of day.

There's nothing to "get".

[NickD 202]

First rule of firing a firearm, know exactly where that bullet is going to land. This was a very irresponsible act of the shooter. If that shooter aimed higher than the hill at a military firing range, would quickly learn what the butt end of a rifle feels like.

Can go along with military training before a person is permitted to buy a firearm.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Its not important to the story or the topic. It wasn't important last night and it isn't important in the cold light of day.

There's nothing to "get".

so facts are not important to the story or topic? apparently not, since you're not "getting it" one bit.

an "ak-47 round" is just media hysteria playing to the masses. the round is standard for several rifles, as i demonstrated in my earlier post. sks rifles are more common than the ak-47 is the main point here. to carry on and on about "zomg an ak-47 round" is what natty was getting at as this caliber is used in several commonly available rifles. surely you noted in the op where it states it's an ak-47 round - did it ever cross your mind that someone can't just look at the round and tell from the lands and grooves what it came out of? and basing one's statement on "what's common downtown" should be taken with a grain of salt until the lab results come back.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Charles if you're going to talk facts, at least keep in mind what the salient facts are.

The facts of the story are simply that the boy was shot in the head by a bullet that passed through the roof of the church he was in. That's it - nothing else.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

so facts are not important to the story or topic? apparently not, since you're not "getting it" one bit.

an "ak-47 round" is just media hysteria playing to the masses. the round is standard for several rifles, as i demonstrated in my earlier post. sks rifles are more common than the ak-47 is the main point here. to carry on and on about "zomg an ak-47 round" is what natty was getting at as this caliber is used in several commonly available rifles. surely you noted in the op where it states it's an ak-47 round - did it ever cross your mind that someone can't just look at the round and tell from the lands and grooves what it came out of? and basing one's statement on "what's common downtown" should be taken with a grain of salt until the lab results come back.

Dont bother Charles, the guy lives south of La la land and thats on a good day!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You really need to up your game a bit there, Mr Marc.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Charles if you're going to talk facts, at least keep in mind what the salient facts are.

The facts of the story are simply that the boy was shot in the head by a bullet that passed through the roof of the church he was in. That's it - nothing else.

i suppose this fact escaped you while reading the op...maybe you need more coffee so you can wake up and get with the conversation.

“I would suspect this was a rifle. An AK-47. That’s the most prolific [weapon found] downtown,” said Kelly

Fite, who was the top ballistics expert with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation’s state Crime Lab for almost four decades.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You really need to up your game a bit there, Mr Marc.

Dude, go play with your legos.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i suppose this fact escaped you while reading the op...maybe you need more coffee so you can wake up and get with the conversation.

That isn't a "fact".

If you're talking about "getting with the conversation" perhaps you missed what I wrote earlier on.

What is obvious is that the reporter, for whatever reason, was not able to get access to information from law-enforcement. There could be any number of reasons for that - my guess would be that this was a late story and a replacement for something else (its not exactly a front-page header), hence they asked a local "expert" his opinion on the subject to pad out the article to the required length. There's nothing deceptive about the way the article is written - its explicitly clear that this guy isn't part of the police investigation (if indeed, investigations are opened up on cases like this)

There's certainly nothing sinister about that, nor does it change the "facts" of the story as presented - a boy was hit in the head by a stray bullet that went through the roof of his church.

Edited January 4, 2010 by Gene Hunt

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

That isn't a "fact".

If you're talking about "getting with the conversation" perhaps you missed what I wrote earlier on.

What is obvious is that the reporter, for whatever reason, was not able to get access to information from law-enforcement. There could be any number of reasons for that - my guess would be that this was a late story and a replacement for something else (its not exactly a front-page header), hence they asked a local "expert" his opinion on the subject to pad out the article to the required length. There's nothing deceptive about the way the article is written - its explicitly clear that this guy isn't part of the police investigation (if indeed, investigations are opened up on cases like this)

There's certainly nothing sinister about that, nor does it change the "facts" of the story as presented - a boy was hit in the head by a stray bullet that went through the roof of his church.

i wouldn't write off an observation by the state's top ballistics expert for almost 40 years as merely a "local expert"

as to whether he's involved in the investigation, it's unclear to me. yet he's the one that stated ak-47 blah blah. that's what myself and a few others have issue with.

“I would suspect this was a rifle. An AK-47. That’s the most prolific [weapon found] downtown,” said Kelly Fite, who was the top ballistics expert with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation’s state Crime Lab for almost four decades.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Then perhaps you and Natty need to take issue with him, because it has nothing to do with what Kathryn was getting at.

The kid was shot by some stupid dickhead who shot his gun into the air. Who honestly gives a flying ** whether the bullet came from an AK-47, a black powder musket, or Zeus's #######!?

Edited January 4, 2010 by Gene Hunt