Obama: Imperfect climate deal better than none

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Three things I disagree with our kid president on. Doing nothing about our trade deficit, Afghanistan, and this, using our bucks to curb emissions in other countries. List is getting longer and longer.

"Obama: Imperfect climate deal better than none

By JENNIFER LOVEN AP White House Correspondent The Associated Press

Friday, December 18, 2009 7:12 AM EST

COPENHAGEN (AP) — A clearly frustrated President Barack Obama displayed impatience Friday with world leaders' failure to reach a new climate accord, urging them to accept a less-than-perfect pact while offering no new U.S. concessions.

Obama said the United States has acted boldly by vowing to reduce heat-trapping gasses and help other nations pay for similar efforts.

But he indirectly acknowledged that some countries feel the United States is not doing enough, and he said an imperfect accord is better than an impasse.

"No country will get everything that it wants," Obama said in a brief address to the 193 nations gathered here to cap a climate summit stalemated after two weeks of talks.

Without mentioning China specifically, he addressed Beijing's resistance to making its emissions-reduction pledges subject to international review.

"I don't know how you have an international agreement where we all are not sharing information and making sure we are meeting our commitments," Obama said. "That doesn't make sense. It would be a hollow victory."

"We are running short on time," he said. "We are ready to get this done today. But there has to be movement on all sides."

And yet Obama arrived in snow-covered Copenhagen with no new proposal from the U.S. side. Some had hoped he might increase Washington's emissons-cut pledge, now only a fraction of those from other developed countries, or put a specific dollar amount on America's expected contributions to short- or long-term aid funds to help poorer nations deal with the effects of climate change.

Obama planned to spend only about nine hours at the summit. He was holding a series of large and small meetings with various leaders, including those from China and Russia.

His talks with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao were being watched especially closely, as sniping between the two countries dominated the summit earlier this week.

With Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, the main topic was likely to be nuclear weapons. The two nations are negotiating to replace an expired Cold War-era arms control treaty.

The U.S. commitment to reduce greenhouse gasses mirrors legislation before Congress. It calls for 17 percent reduction in such pollution from 2005 levels by 2020 — the equivalent of 3 percent to 4 percent from the more commonly used baseline of 1990 levels. That is far less than the offers from the European Union, Japan and Russia.

Even that target was hard-won in a skittish Congress, and Obama has decided he can't go further without potentially souring final passage of the bill, approved in the House but not yet considered in the Senate. He also could imperil eventual Senate ratification of any global treaty that emerges next year.

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[Ban Hammer 13,334]

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He's a f#cking joke.

[alienlovechild 75]

The world is grave danger and Obama give his usual middle-of-the-road position hoping to please all and satisfy none. At least he's kind of hinting that China is getting away with its emissions while it's playing the poor developing country card.

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After listening to Obama can only wonder if he is on the take with Gore, always can sense when a person is lying. Sure, he is well polished and educated, but with experience with similar attorneys that are well dressed and polished, and state repeatedly that your interest is their main concern, those are the ones that screw you the most.

Actually prefer meeting a terribly dressed kid on the street holding a knife to you and wanting your wallet, least this kid is honest in his intentions, sure can't say that about politicians.

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The world is grave danger and Obama give his usual middle-of-the-road position hoping to please all and satisfy none. At least he's kind of hinting that China is getting away with its emissions while it's playing the poor developing country card.

this is what i truly hate about obama.

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Even if you are highly in favor of protecting the environment, can become unpopular on this board if you disagree with the way our leadership is handling this problem. All I am hearing is we using what money we don't have for 3rd world countries with China being considered as a third world country. Sure they have a mess, most of it is from us as our own EPA kicked out a good share of our industry rather than come up with technology to cure and help our industries. My last company was kicked out to China for this exact same reason, now we are going to send money to China to fix it? What about our jobs?

In the automotive field with refrigerants, the EPA has not come up with a single standard for the manufacturers to produce a leak proof AC system, but rather they put the complete burden on the AC tech to recover refrigerants that are long gone. While R-134a is suppose to be environmentally friendly, a refrigerant highly resposnible for global warming potential.

With emissions, all after the fact type of regulations, the EPA does not nor has given a damn about fuel efficiency, even to the point of wanting to spray expensive gasoline into your after the fact catalytic converter to heat it up quicker to reduce HC emissions, but any reduction in HC's also results in increased NOx emissions, so extra stuff has to be added to the engine to cool down the combustion rate, also killing efficiency. Ideally, the only emissions out of the exhaust pipe will be H2O and CO2, but hey, now these two substances are now suddenly causing global warming? H2O they don't even talk about is far more a greenhouse gas than CO2 in global warming and these are definitely man made compounds!

With limits put on just CO2 emissions, they can't do that without also limiting H2O production without generating other nasty combustion products so the two work hand in hand. EPA has been damn slow in limiting the amount of sulfur the oil companies are not removing, middle east oil is loaded with sulfur, but been damn quiet about the amount of sulphuric acid put into the air. Their main target for years has been vehicles like the Geo Metro, totally ignoring the zillions of diesel trucks we have in this country.

They have came out with over 155 different blends of gasoline, oxygenating our fuels, and even adding MBTE's to our fuel that can cause cancer in our ground water all to reduce HC emissions that is costing us drastically, but killing us in different ways. Sulphuric acid is eating away at our lungs, in brief, they don't know what the hell they are doing, but have full power. Our leaders are equally a$$holes on this subject, most are stupid attorneys that don't know a damn thing about even how a vehicle works. What the hell, they get free ones to use and even air polluting jets.

Limiting CO2 production is really going to throw a wrench into their gears, now for the first time, they are going to have to think in terms of efficiency.

In regards to man made global warming or climate changes, whatever they want to call it, instead of throwing money with caps and so forth to 3rd world countries, we should develop the technology instead, and set an example to the world. But that will never happen since we have idiots running this country. Can only think in terms of taxes and fines.