Poll: 39% of Israelis believe Obama is 'Muslim'

[alienlovechild 75]

The New America Foundation's poll of Israelis, released today, contains a finding suggesting campaign-trail rumors about Barack Obama's religion penetrated deeply in the Jewish state.

The survey, by Jim Gerstein, asked Israelis (both Jewish and Muslim) whether a series of terms describe President Obama well, and 39% of respondents said the term "Muslim" describes the president, who is Christian, well. Of those, only 15% said the term described him very well.

A plurality, 49%, said Obama isn't well-described as a Muslim.

But in a country engaged in decades of violent conflict with its Muslim and Arab neighbors, the fact that well over a third of Israelis buy into the groundless rumors about Obama's faith suggests the depth of his image problems.

ALSO: About 11% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, a number that has remained stable since the rumor spread widely in 2007.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/120..._is_Muslim.html

[Saddle Bronc 124]

To call 0bama Christian stretches the term rather strangely--as he is certainly NOT a born-again Christian.

The 49% are correct that 0bama is not a Muslim however--as Islam still requires acknowledgement of a higher-power/ultimate-reality. 0bama is a narcissist (self-worshipper).

[Nagishkaw 510]

To call 0bama Christian stretches the term rather strangely--as he is certainly NOT a born-again Christian.

The 49% are correct that 0bama is not a Muslim however--as Islam still requires acknowledgement of a higher-power/ultimate-reality. 0bama is a narcissist (self-worshipper).

I couldn't agree more.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

To call 0bama Christian stretches the term rather strangely--as he is certainly NOT a born-again Christian.

The 49% are correct that 0bama is not a Muslim however--as Islam still requires acknowledgement of a higher-power/ultimate-reality. 0bama is a narcissist (self-worshipper).

I couldn't agree more.

Have you tried? You can always do more than you think, it's just a matter of pushing yourself beyond your limits.

[Nikita2Charles 32]

Who cares

It's sad when people who has been opressed in the past now are being happy to be the oppressor.

People never learn from History, it's always as long as it fits their need. I don't see anybody fighting to get compensation for all the slaves labor during the African Slave trade to the Americas and other places, All those folks who got rich with Slave labor, who fleece other countries only to bring the wealth back home leaving most of those countries destitute.

Hmmm i guess maybe it might have something to do with their complexion!!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

39% believe that? That's shameful

[slim 1,533]

I bet 39% of Americans believe that as well.

[Danno 1,228]

Whats cool about Obama is, he is all things to all people.

He acts black when he needs to, he acts white when he needs to.

He plays the Christian card at time and sometimes he plays the Muslim role.

At times he is a defender of traditional morals and at other times he is going to lead us from those.

To some crowds he is a advocate of "Peace is the answer" to others he is willing to escalate war when requested.

The best we can do is guess where the real Obama is.

I focus on the Church he went to and brought his family to for years.

I look at the man he called his mentor and even borrowed a title of one of his books from.

Relating "to" Muslims does not make one a Muslim, this is where people make the error IMO.

He is one sample of what he and his church Prescribe too, clearly if this were a white church and he were a aspiring white Politician .... he would have had no political future but Obama is the ultimate Chameleon.

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(Complete with link to his home Church.)

http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?op...view&id=114

THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981.

Beginning in 1982, an annual Black Value System - Educational Scholarship in the name of Dr. Byrd was instituted. The first recipient of the Dr. Manford Byrd Award, which is given annually to the man or woman who best exemplifies the Black Value System, was our brother, Dr. Manford Byrd.

These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:

Commitment to God. "The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind. Matthew 22:37 - Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community. I John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother [or his sister], he is a liar; for he that loveth not his brother or sister whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate. Deuteronomy 6:6-8 - And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college. Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds. Matthew 22:37 - Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind.

Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence. To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor. Ecclesiastes 9:10 - Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Adherence to the Black Work Ethic. "It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago." Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce. II Thessalonians 3:7-12 - For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labor and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth. I Peter 1:4-7 - To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.

Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness." Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the "talented tenth" of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor's control. Proverbs 3:13-14 - Happy are those who find wisdom and those who gain understanding, for her income is better than silver and her revenue better than gold.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:

Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.

Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.

Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of "we" and "they" instead of "us."

So, while it is permissible to chase "middleclassness" with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method - the psychological entrapment of Black "middleclassness." If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our "voluntary" contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.

Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.

Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.

Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.

Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Danno, only you could make the case that Obama is responsible for other people's ignorance.

You really need to take a few deep breaths and think things through properly before you post guff like this.

[The_Dude 1,142]

The New America Foundation's poll of Israelis, released today, contains a finding suggesting campaign-trail rumors about Barack Obama's religion penetrated deeply in the Jewish state.

The survey, by Jim Gerstein, asked Israelis (both Jewish and Muslim) whether a series of terms describe President Obama well, and 39% of respondents said the term "Muslim" describes the president, who is Christian, well. Of those, only 15% said the term described him very well.

A plurality, 49%, said Obama isn't well-described as a Muslim.

But in a country engaged in decades of violent conflict with its Muslim and Arab neighbors, the fact that well over a third of Israelis buy into the groundless rumors about Obama's faith suggests the depth of his image problems.

ALSO: About 11% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, a number that has remained stable since the rumor spread widely in 2007.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/120..._is_Muslim.html

And this means what? It's clear that with hardline conservative nationalism rising steadily in Israel, coupled with the U.S. asking Israel to stop building in occupied lands that the president isn't going to be very popular. But at the end of the day, this poll means about as much as israeli opinion about the u.s....... nothing.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Yes, Israel is not America. Sometimes, people forget.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Yes, Israel is not America. Sometimes, people forget.

Even though next to the pharma lobby, AIPAC is probly the most influencial political action group in Washington

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Yes, Israel is not America. Sometimes, people forget.

Even though next to the pharma lobby, AIPAC is probly the most influencial political action group in Washington

People have a right to form lobbies, I don't begrudge them that. It's just important to remember that in America, America should come first.

[mawilson 2,133]

39% believe that? That's shameful

Your anti-Israel sentiments are well known.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Yes, Israel is not America. Sometimes, people forget.

Even though next to the pharma lobby, AIPAC is probly the most influencial political action group in Washington

People have a right to form lobbies, I don't begrudge them that. It's just important to remember that in America, America should come first.

I agree, and many many countries have their own lobbies to get their share of foreign aid, or influence foreign policy. I don't like it, but there isn't much illegal about it. I'm a libertarian though, and think we really should pare back a vast majority of our foreign aid and policy. I'm by no means an isolationisty, but these wars of hegemony that we fight by proxy with foreign aid is a bit much for my liking.