Off Topic: e-cigarettes in Vietnam?

[Matt_Stevens 5]

My wife and I really want my brother in law to quit smoking. He has got to, because he had TB, but he just cannot stop and gums and The Patch have failed him miserably. Are e-cigarettes available in Vietnam? There are over a hundred different brands available in the USA and way more than that in Europe. Many are made in China.

This is what I am talking about...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new...odels-here.html

Edited December 13, 2009 by Matt_Stevens

[ScottThuy 140]

it is so sad that smoking is part of the culture there... I had to offer every man at our Dam Hoi a cigarette as part of the ceremony... One guy actually asked me last year why I didnt smoke... I said not good for you.. but his response was but they are so cheap here... I swear that US big tobacco pays the VN govt or some officials to let them take advantage of the people there... with everyone going over.. you should be able to find someone on here that can take one over and mail it to him... it could be difficult mailing one through customs...

[Dau Que 6]

My wife and I really want my brother in law to quit smoking. He has got to, because he had TB, but he just cannot stop and gums and The Patch have failed him miserably. Are e-cigarettes available in Vietnam? There are over a hundred different brands available in the USA and way more than that in Europe. Many are made in China.

This is what I am talking about...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new...odels-here.html

Easiest way to "motivate" someone to quite smoking: buy a life insurance policy on that smoker's life. Then show it to him and tell him this "How much longer will the beneficiary/ies of this policy have to wait to collect the pay-out? At the rate of only a pack a day, that'll take too long. You need to increase your production of CO to poison your lungs so we can collect the $$$ sooner!"

Quitting smoking requires self-motivation and lots of will-power. If the smoker refuses to "value" his life, nothing will help. Period.

Edited December 13, 2009 by Dau Que

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Electronic cigarettes are getting much harder to find in the US, and will soon come under US government regulation as a nicotine delivery device, hence controlled by the FDA. The FDA recently seized shipments of electronic cigarettes while they decide how to handle them.

I am a smoker, and I've been cutting back using snus products. It's a form of smokeless tobacco which has been popular in some parts of Europe for nearly 50 years. The tobacco is prepared cold - no heat is used - and packed into a small pouch which you place in your mouth next to your gums. Because no heat is used, there is no carbon monoxide, and the tars are not converted into the carcinogens that exist when you burn tobacco. After nearly 5 decades, the only difference that's been seen in people using snus and people who don't use tobacco is a slightly higher rate of mouth, gum, and pancreatic cancer. Nothing like the level of lung cancer seen in smokers.

The upside is that products like snus will relieve the nicotine withdrawal. The downside is that they do nothing to relieve the desire to smoke, but that habit is a lot easier to break if you're not going through nicotine withdrawal. Nicotine patches and gum serve the same purpose, so if you can't succeed with those then you likely won't succeed with snus either, but at least you'll cut down.

I haven't seen electronic cigarettes for sale anywhere in Vietnam. I'm in Saigon right now, and I was in a tobacco shop earlier today, and there was nothing like that there. Because smoking is allowed pretty much everywhere, and real cigarettes are a whole lot cheaper than electronic cigarettes and their cartridges, I can't see e-cigarettes catching on in VN anytime soon.

[Teacher Mark 53]

I'll try to find them. I know where to get the cartridges in D5, but I don't know about the delivery system. I'll go tomorrow and get an address.

Edited December 13, 2009 by Mr. Saigon

[Matt_Stevens 5]

Thanks. If anyone can spot them, let me know. My brother-in-law will kill himself if he doesn't stop. TB and smoking is a serious no-no. Flat out. But he just cannot quit.

My wife will be glad to send him refills if he takes to e-cigs. I have read that you can bottles of the liquid and refill yourself, saving a lot of money. Right now I am still trying to learn about how it all works.

[ScottThuy 140]

Electronic cigarettes are getting much harder to find in the US, and will soon come under US government regulation as a nicotine delivery device, hence controlled by the FDA. The FDA recently seized shipments of electronic cigarettes while they decide how to handle them.

I am a smoker, and I've been cutting back using snus products. It's a form of smokeless tobacco which has been popular in some parts of Europe for nearly 50 years. The tobacco is prepared cold - no heat is used - and packed into a small pouch which you place in your mouth next to your gums. Because no heat is used, there is no carbon monoxide, and the tars are not converted into the carcinogens that exist when you burn tobacco. After nearly 5 decades, the only difference that's been seen in people using snus and people who don't use tobacco is a slightly higher rate of mouth, gum, and pancreatic cancer. Nothing like the level of lung cancer seen in smokers.

The upside is that products like snus will relieve the nicotine withdrawal. The downside is that they do nothing to relieve the desire to smoke, but that habit is a lot easier to break if you're not going through nicotine withdrawal. Nicotine patches and gum serve the same purpose, so if you can't succeed with those then you likely won't succeed with snus either, but at least you'll cut down.

I haven't seen electronic cigarettes for sale anywhere in Vietnam. I'm in Saigon right now, and I was in a tobacco shop earlier today, and there was nothing like that there. Because smoking is allowed pretty much everywhere, and real cigarettes are a whole lot cheaper than electronic cigarettes and their cartridges, I can't see e-cigarettes catching on in VN anytime soon.

Jim,

I smoked for 20 years and was lucky to be able to quit when I got the flu some years back... A very close friend of mine smoked nd then used snuff products and ended up with cancer of the hard pallet... roof of the mouth... I have to say that it was the fastest most invasive cancer I have had any of my friends get yet and when they removed the roof of his mouth to try to fight it everything was over in weeks... it all has to deal with point of contact/absorption... Most of Thuys male relatives die when they are in thier 50's of cancer as they all smoke real heavy and treatment is rare... she does not expect her father to live too many more years... I wonder if we can get a policy on him?

I have actually heard of a number of success stories from people that used chantix.. but there are side affects in some cases....

[Matt_Stevens 5]

Gross. I thank God every day I never smoked.

e-Cigarettes are threatening tax revenue from tobacco products, so many states are gunning to ban them outright as a "health hazard." Talk about insane.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Electronic cigarettes are getting much harder to find in the US, and will soon come under US government regulation as a nicotine delivery device, hence controlled by the FDA. The FDA recently seized shipments of electronic cigarettes while they decide how to handle them.

I am a smoker, and I've been cutting back using snus products. It's a form of smokeless tobacco which has been popular in some parts of Europe for nearly 50 years. The tobacco is prepared cold - no heat is used - and packed into a small pouch which you place in your mouth next to your gums. Because no heat is used, there is no carbon monoxide, and the tars are not converted into the carcinogens that exist when you burn tobacco. After nearly 5 decades, the only difference that's been seen in people using snus and people who don't use tobacco is a slightly higher rate of mouth, gum, and pancreatic cancer. Nothing like the level of lung cancer seen in smokers.

The upside is that products like snus will relieve the nicotine withdrawal. The downside is that they do nothing to relieve the desire to smoke, but that habit is a lot easier to break if you're not going through nicotine withdrawal. Nicotine patches and gum serve the same purpose, so if you can't succeed with those then you likely won't succeed with snus either, but at least you'll cut down.

I haven't seen electronic cigarettes for sale anywhere in Vietnam. I'm in Saigon right now, and I was in a tobacco shop earlier today, and there was nothing like that there. Because smoking is allowed pretty much everywhere, and real cigarettes are a whole lot cheaper than electronic cigarettes and their cartridges, I can't see e-cigarettes catching on in VN anytime soon.

Jim,

I smoked for 20 years and was lucky to be able to quit when I got the flu some years back... A very close friend of mine smoked nd then used snuff products and ended up with cancer of the hard pallet... roof of the mouth... I have to say that it was the fastest most invasive cancer I have had any of my friends get yet and when they removed the roof of his mouth to try to fight it everything was over in weeks... it all has to deal with point of contact/absorption... Most of Thuys male relatives die when they are in thier 50's of cancer as they all smoke real heavy and treatment is rare... she does not expect her father to live too many more years... I wonder if we can get a policy on him?

I have actually heard of a number of success stories from people that used chantix.. but there are side affects in some cases....

Snus and snuff are not the same thing. Snuff and most other tobacco products are made using heat. This produces the tars that are responsible for most of the flavor in tobacco products, and is also the primary source of carcinogens. Before heating, the tobacco plant contains relatively few potential toxins. The tobacco used to make snus is never heated. In fact, Camel brand snus products are kept refrigerated right up until they are sold to the customer.

The point is that snus has been around for a long time, with millions of regular users, so there's a pretty solid base for statistical analysis. The incidence of cancer with snus users has only been slightly higher (a few percentage points) than the general population, and far lower than users of heated or burned tobacco products. Electronic cigarettes have only been around a few years, so there's not enough data to determine their long term safety. Most electronic cigarette products are also made in China with absolutely no regulatory control. Another problem is that is no uniform set of standards about where e-cigarette use is permitted. The device produces a vapor containing nicotine, which is visible when the user exhales. Consequently, many places that don't allow smoking have also decided not to allow e-cigarette use.

Anyway, when I first learned about electronic cigarettes I thought it might be an effective way to help quit, and also a way to help get through the long flights to Vietnam, especially after they closed the smoking rooms at Taipei airport last February. I decided to check all of the tobacco stores in my town to see who carried them. The kits are pretty expensive, and I wanted to see one in person before deciding to spend the money. Nobody had them in stock. The stores that used to carry them said their supplier had run out a couple of months before (I think this was in July). One of them told me about the FDA probe and seizure, which led to me doing some more research online. I was also unable to get a clear answer from EVA or China Airlines about whether e-cigarette use was permitted on their flights.

I first tried snus on the flights from SFO to HCM in August. I still wanted a cigarette, but I didn't feel wired like I usually do when I go 24 hours without smoking.

[Matt_Stevens 5]

e-cigs are not permitted in flights because of their appearance. They look like normal cigarettes from a distance and cause people to get upset. Most people have never heard of them, so they are not going to understand.

[Teacher Mark 53]

I've found a company that offers free shipping for orders over $100.00:

http://www.e-cig.com/shopping/shopcontent....e=free_shipping

USB powered??

http://www.e-cig.com/shopping/shopdisplayp...t=USB%2DeCig+U8

I'm thinking that the filters I saw were for a cigarette holder/filter. I'll drive out there later and confirm.

Thanks for the post BTW. I'm going to find a way to get these, as I really need to quit too. They would have to be safer than a traditional cigarette one would think.

[Teacher Mark 53]

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[ScottThuy 140]

at 7 bucks a carton for vinataba's its not the same as doing a cost comparison here in the US....

[rsn 135]

I stumbled onto this thread by accident, and realized that I don't know a whole lot about e-cigarettes myself. I looked into it, and I wondered if this would be an option for my father-in-law (in Thailand). Looks like it probably won't be since Thailand has already or may soon ban e-cigarettes, according to some articles I read.

I myself am an ex-smoker. I literally tried everything to quit: patches, gum, herbal #######, hypnotism, etc. The only thing that worked for me was Zyban. It almost completely removed my urge to smoke a week or so after I started taking it. It became much easier for me to change my habits when I was able to refrain from thinking about taking a puff every 5 seconds.

Edited December 14, 2009 by rsn

[Teacher Mark 53]

This place had one, but didn't appear to have the nicotine. Dust fell off of it when I picked it up, so it should still be there for a while. I didn't even try to talk price with them, but I don't imagine they want much. Can you have someone go there and talk to them? The address should be visible in the pic.

Edited December 14, 2009 by Mr. Saigon