I´ve been living illegally in Europe, cant get Police Certificate here.

[Summer75 16]

The way I see it . Being in spain illegally in a way is his police report. If he cant get one that is kind of too bad. You should of done it leagally. To me I see a great propensity to live illegally in the USA tat doesnt reflect real good on you.

You will need to get the police report but you cant they already know you were in spain so you cant hide it. You kind of screwed your self. I hope that if and when you do get to the USA you decide to live by our laws of immigration and all other laws that we have here.

U r right conquest! I´m fine here! The only reason for this process is because I fell in love with an american guy, he too, so we got married. Otherwise, to go there was not even in my plans!! I can get my resident card here but it can take maaany months from now and my interview is soon! I told him to wait, but he doesnt want to wait. Me either... We just wanna start a family together as every marriage wants, or should.

[Durdin 0]

The way I see it . Being in spain illegally in a way is his police report. If he cant get one that is kind of too bad. You should of done it leagally. To me I see a great propensity to live illegally in the USA tat doesnt reflect real good on you.

You will need to get the police report but you cant they already know you were in spain so you cant hide it. You kind of screwed your self. I hope that if and when you do get to the USA you decide to live by our laws of immigration and all other laws that we have here.

Conquest, maybe you do not understand her question! I am an American, living in America. Karina and I got married in Spain. She has no intention on living in the USA illegal. She plans on coming here to be with her husband, ME! Get your facts straight!!

[Chica Yeyé 41]

The way I see it . Being in spain illegally in a way is his police report. If he cant get one that is kind of too bad. You should of done it leagally. To me I see a great propensity to live illegally in the USA tat doesnt reflect real good on you.

You will need to get the police report but you cant they already know you were in spain so you cant hide it. You kind of screwed your self. I hope that if and when you do get to the USA you decide to live by our laws of immigration and all other laws that we have here.

Conquest, maybe you do not understand her question! I am an American, living in America. Karina and I got married in Spain. She has no intention on living in the USA illegal. She plans on coming here to be with her husband, ME! Get your facts straight!!

Excuse me?

Durdin, don't even think about coming all high and mighty --- it is your significant other who broke Spanish law, and now has to deal with the repercussions.

The huge problem is that without the police certificate from Spain, which she cannot get because she is there illegally. People gave you the letter of the Spanish law on how she will not get the certificate, etc.

What do you want? No one on this site would ever tell you how to hoodwink USCIS or bend immigration law. May I suggest a good, very good immigration attorney?

[Durdin 0]

The way I see it . Being in spain illegally in a way is his police report. If he cant get one that is kind of too bad. You should of done it leagally. To me I see a great propensity to live illegally in the USA tat doesnt reflect real good on you.

You will need to get the police report but you cant they already know you were in spain so you cant hide it. You kind of screwed your self. I hope that if and when you do get to the USA you decide to live by our laws of immigration and all other laws that we have here.

Conquest, maybe you do not understand her question! I am an American, living in America. Karina and I got married in Spain. She has no intention on living in the USA illegal. She plans on coming here to be with her husband, ME! Get your facts straight!!

Excuse me?

Durdin, don't even think about coming all high and mighty --- it is your significant other who broke Spanish law, and now has to deal with the repercussions.

The huge problem is that without the police certificate from Spain, which she cannot get because she is there illegally. People gave you the letter of the Spanish law on how she will not get the certificate, etc.

What do you want? No one on this site would ever tell you how to hoodwink USCIS or bend immigration law. May I suggest a good, very good immigration attorney?

Your excused!

I don't think I was talking to you, but if you want to chime in fine! If people read the entire post, they would have their facts straight. Karina never broke any Spanish laws. She got denied her resident card because she could not get a full time work contract. When she moved to Spain, four years ago, all she needed was her passport. Since living there, they changed their immigration laws, requiring a resident card. Without a resident card, she can not get a police certificate. Her original question was, will this effect her getting her CR1 Visa to come here to the USA to be with me! We are not "hoodwinking" the USCIS or bending any immigration laws!

[conquest 0]

My facts are straight. If this case came across my desk and I was a immigration officer. I would look at this person as had been living in antother country illegally and that if things went wrong divorce blah blah who knows what that this person would have the mental abillity to want to live in the USA illegally. This person broke other countries laws how could I have a clear prospective that they wont break our laws? That in its self is the entire reason for the police report. Is this person a good citizen? Well if they are illegal perhaps not, it would put things in a whole different light any way

I am not saying that they are coming illegally. I am just looking at it in a realistic point of view. The op has a great hurdle to over come. Most of u here on VJ know what it feels like to be seperated from the ones we love for long periods of time.

For the OP its going to suck for sure. I dont think we can sit back and say oh it will all work its self out in the end. THey have to look at it as a long row to hoe and hope there is a way to get through it. I doubt immigration is going to look the other way but then stranger things have happened

[conquest 0]

When she was denied her resident card she should have left spain. Just like when visas expire here people have to go back to thier country

[Chica Yeyé 41]

The way I see it . Being in spain illegally in a way is his police report. If he cant get one that is kind of too bad. You should of done it leagally. To me I see a great propensity to live illegally in the USA tat doesnt reflect real good on you.

You will need to get the police report but you cant they already know you were in spain so you cant hide it. You kind of screwed your self. I hope that if and when you do get to the USA you decide to live by our laws of immigration and all other laws that we have here.

Conquest, maybe you do not understand her question! I am an American, living in America. Karina and I got married in Spain. She has no intention on living in the USA illegal. She plans on coming here to be with her husband, ME! Get your facts straight!!

Excuse me?

Durdin, don't even think about coming all high and mighty --- it is your significant other who broke Spanish law, and now has to deal with the repercussions.

The huge problem is that without the police certificate from Spain, which she cannot get because she is there illegally. People gave you the letter of the Spanish law on how she will not get the certificate, etc.

What do you want? No one on this site would ever tell you how to hoodwink USCIS or bend immigration law. May I suggest a good, very good immigration attorney?

Your excused!

I don't think I was talking to you, but if you want to chime in fine! If people read the entire post, they would have their facts straight. Karina never broke any Spanish laws. She got denied her resident card because she could not get a full time work contract. When she moved to Spain, four years ago, all she needed was her passport. Since living there, they changed their immigration laws, requiring a resident card. Without a resident card, she can not get a police certificate. Her original question was, will this effect her getting her CR1 Visa to come here to the USA to be with me! We are not "hoodwinking" the USCIS or bending any immigration laws!

Which she didn't get --- hence not complying with Spanish immigration laws. Slice it was you want, but it comes down to the same result: she will not be able to get the police certificate due to unlawful residence --- issue which USCIS will not find amusing, at all.

So yes, it will affect the visa. Absolutely. Police record checks are one of the most important conditions in the immigration trifecta: sponsor, medical, police reports.

You don't have to like the system or our responses, but we are telling you things in good faith. Again, consult an immigration attorney.

When she was denied her resident card she should have left spain. Just like when visas expire here people have to go back to thier country

Exactly right. And by not doing so she will now have to face the music, and it is not a soft ballad. An attorney is needed. No question.

[sachinky 465]

An immigrant visa will not be issued if a Spanish PCC is not provided to NVC/US consulate at the time of interview. There really is no way out of this unless they have a change of heart in your case.

And breaking another country's immigration laws does not bode well for her or her "character," if questions come up during the interview, assuming you do get that far.

If the Spanish immigration laws changed and she was denied the visa, she should have followed the new laws and left for Bolivia. Which she did not.

I second the lawyer opinion.

Edited December 8, 2009 by sachinky

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

When she was denied her resident card she should have left spain. Just like when visas expire here people have to go back to thier country

that's pretty much what most people would do, myself included, were i living in a country that changed it's laws during my stay there.

[Jenn! 918]

IIRC there is a user, chris4336, whose fiance was able to get a visa through the consulate in Spain while living illegally there. I would contact her or do a search of her posts.

[Durdin 0]

My facts are straight. If this case came across my desk and I was a immigration officer. I would look at this person as had been living in antother country illegally and that if things went wrong divorce blah blah who knows what that this person would have the mental abillity to want to live in the USA illegally. This person broke other countries laws how could I have a clear prospective that they wont break our laws? That in its self is the entire reason for the police report. Is this person a good citizen? Well if they are illegal perhaps not, it would put things in a whole different light any way

I am not saying that they are coming illegally. I am just looking at it in a realistic point of view. The op has a great hurdle to over come. Most of u here on VJ know what it feels like to be seperated from the ones we love for long periods of time.

For the OP its going to suck for sure. I dont think we can sit back and say oh it will all work its self out in the end. THey have to look at it as a long row to hoe and hope there is a way to get through it. I doubt immigration is going to look the other way but then stranger things have happened

Spain has weird immigration laws. In order to apply for a resident card, you have to reside in Spain a minimum of three years. The only reason she got denied her resident card in the first place, was because she did not have a full time work contract. Since then she got a work contract and is currently in process for her resident card again. She is moving back to Bolivia this month as per the advise of an agent at the NVC. I appreciate your opinion, and I must say that this whole process SUCKS!!! I called the NVC and explained to them the situation. They said all I needed to do was send in an explanation letter on why she can't get a Spain PC. I did that yesterday, and am currently playing the waiting game again.......I am wondering if anyone has been through this type of situation before, and what the outcome was??

[thongd4me 69]

IIRC there is a user, chris4336, whose fiance was able to get a visa through the consulate in Spain while living illegally there. I would contact her or do a search of her posts.

If this is the only hope I don't see much of anything else.

I plugged in "chris4336" into VJ search and it came up empty, nada, zippo.

I think your husband should start looking for work in Bolivia.

[Jenn! 918]

IIRC there is a user, chris4336, whose fiance was able to get a visa through the consulate in Spain while living illegally there. I would contact her or do a search of her posts.

If this is the only hope I don't see much of anything else.

I plugged in "chris4336" into VJ search and it came up empty, nada, zippo.

I think your husband should start looking for work in Bolivia.

She exists. I have no trouble finding her and she signed in this morning.

[reeses16 8]

My facts are straight. If this case came across my desk and I was a immigration officer. I would look at this person as had been living in antother country illegally and that if things went wrong divorce blah blah who knows what that this person would have the mental abillity to want to live in the USA illegally. This person broke other countries laws how could I have a clear prospective that they wont break our laws? That in its self is the entire reason for the police report. Is this person a good citizen? Well if they are illegal perhaps not, it would put things in a whole different light any way

I am not saying that they are coming illegally. I am just looking at it in a realistic point of view. The op has a great hurdle to over come. Most of u here on VJ know what it feels like to be seperated from the ones we love for long periods of time.

For the OP its going to suck for sure. I dont think we can sit back and say oh it will all work its self out in the end. THey have to look at it as a long row to hoe and hope there is a way to get through it. I doubt immigration is going to look the other way but then stranger things have happened

Spain has weird immigration laws. In order to apply for a resident card, you have to reside in Spain a minimum of three years. The only reason she got denied her resident card in the first place, was because she did not have a full time work contract. Since then she got a work contract and is currently in process for her resident card again. She is moving back to Bolivia this month as per the advise of an agent at the NVC. I appreciate your opinion, and I must say that this whole process SUCKS!!! I called the NVC and explained to them the situation. They said all I needed to do was send in an explanation letter on why she can't get a Spain PC. I did that yesterday, and am currently playing the waiting game again.......I am wondering if anyone has been through this type of situation before, and what the outcome was??

I understand that things are already in the works for her to return home. But you shouldn't rely on the explanation you got from NVC being the same standard to which your case will be decided. The people at NVC are not there to offer legal advice, nor are they trained to. Best bet is to speak with the VJ member Jenn posted about (or consult an experience immigration attorney). Get as much info from her as you can; you may have the same problem but different circumstances.

If she really was in Spain legally the PC would not be an issue. I don't know what Spain's laws are, but if you need to reside in Spain for 3 years before you get a residence card, then surely someone who lived there before they get a residence card has some legal status in the country (visa or work permit) could get a PC. It just doesn't add up. In any case, would it be simpler for her to stay in Spain, delay her interview while they finish processing her Spanish residence card? But then again, the date on her residence card and PC wouldn't match your I-129F.

I wish you both the best. Please be sure to post what happens, it would be helpful to the VJ community.

If her resident

Edited December 8, 2009 by reeses16

[thongd4me 69]

She exists. I have no trouble finding her and she signed in this morning.

I agree she exists, but after putting her name in the search box it shows general areas where her posts MAY appear

but I was unable to find them.

If you have the link to her profile then her posts can be searched there.

Usually if I put a member's name in the search function the profile link is at the top, but not with hers.

She may have changed her name as every member has a "display name history" so I don't know

what her current name may be. You may have accurately rememberd a former display name.

Thanks