canadian thinking of getting married on a "visit" to usa

[Boiler 45,402]

Not by reading your post.

Not exactly a new issue but why are people so keen forcing their views down other peoples throats?

It is not a moral issue.

Pot calling kettle etc etc.

Ok boiler, answer this then, if you will.

Let's just assume that the OP wants to go tomorrow, to the U.S., marry her fiance and adjust status.

Tomorrow morning she drives to the border and the border guard says - where are you going and what is the purpose of your visit?

How should she reply?

As I never suggested that I would have no idea.

Watch Mr Shusterman's video

[Chris_Жанна 11]

The answers have been given, the OP only has to read them.

For some reason there are many people on this web site that like to limit other people's options, best to just ignore them.

And for some reason ppl on this site like yourself don't seem to care about giving wrong advice and the potential damage you could be doing to others lives. What you are telling the OP to do is lie and weasel around the system. From the OP's statements they seem to be well enough versed in immigration law to understand there may be a problem with staying here after marring on a tourist visa/visa waiver, Which could earn the beneficiary a possible life time ban from the US if they find you are falsifying and information. The OP already stated their intent and is aware of the law, having said that, they are aware and this would be fraud. Why do you think that ppl with B-2 and from visa waiver countries still go through the K-1 process? Because they like to wait??? No.

To the OP, you can come here and get married, But you will have to return back home and file for the appropriate visa. If you are questioned by the CBP upon arrival and you lie there about your intention you could be setting yourself up for trouble. Honesty, is the best policy here. If you are here and marry and decide to stay here when you go to adjust status and the interviewer thinks you are lying and that you were trying to circumvent the immigration process there is a possibility of deportation and a ban. So, I don't know if you like to gamble with things like this but that is the reality of the situation.

I hope the OP can discern fact from ####### here.

Not by reading your post.

Not exactly a new issue but why are people so keen forcing their views down other peoples throats?

It is not a moral issue.

Who said anything about morals?

If the OP knows what the immigration law is and they disobey it by knowing that if they come with the intent to marry and stay, that this is fraud, get it through your skull. It's not like she came from Canada they met after him/her being here for sometime and then got married 3-4 months after she arrived and the marriage was not planned in advance. They have definitive plans to marry, so they would be breaking the law and would have to explain at the AOS interview and from there they would be judged and a decision will be made. Do, ppl make it through? Sure. Do some ppl get deported? Yes. Is that a gamble the OP wants to take with the rest of their lives? That is for them to decided. You are just carlesly giving advice with no information of repercussions of may happen. So you are dead wrong. The OP would be breaking the law if the plan was to stay from the begining. No morels being pitted against each other pal.

You're right, it is not a moral issue it is a legal one. And you are directing someone to try to circumvent the process when they are fully aware that these are the rules no matter if you like them or not.

You should read the TOS. I guess the warning from the Mod didn't sink in enough for you. You are facing your own ban on VJ if you keep giving advice like this....

[trailmix 77]

Not by reading your post.

Not exactly a new issue but why are people so keen forcing their views down other peoples throats?

It is not a moral issue.

Pot calling kettle etc etc.

Ok boiler, answer this then, if you will.

Let's just assume that the OP wants to go tomorrow, to the U.S., marry her fiance and adjust status.

Tomorrow morning she drives to the border and the border guard says - where are you going and what is the purpose of your visit?

How should she reply?

As I never suggested that I would have no idea.

Watch Mr Shusterman's video

I did watch the video. He says "if possible" - at the very beginning - rule 1. Nowhere does he mention how said future immigrant is supposed to get over the border.

Edited December 7, 2009 by trailmix

[bowflex 0]

Watch Mr Shusterman's video

Please note that there is just as much misinformation coming from lawyers out there as there is on this board. We all know that going for AOS in this way is not legal as if what you're advising them to do is found by USCIS there will most likely be a ban levied.

Time and time again people have stated that their lawyers have advised them to just go over the border, get married, stay, and then file for AOS. Now it isn't to say that they will definitely be caught, but just as others have said, why risk the rest of your life being screwed up to get around a process that if done right won't take more than a year and a half in all likelihood?

To the OP, good luck with whatever you decide. Just make sure you do the required research and pick the path that gives you the most peace of mind. This process is hard enough without having to worry about something being found that will destroy your chance to have a life together with your significant other.

Edited December 7, 2009 by bowflex

[Krikit 1,164]

Personal insults are another TOS violation. You are in the immigration forums. Off Topic comments are not allowed. Please stop, or further administrative action will need to be taken. Thank you.

[Krikit 1,164]

I have removed the last two posts as they are off topic.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

Ok boiler, answer this then, if you will.

Let's just assume that the OP wants to go tomorrow, to the U.S., marry her fiance and adjust status.

Tomorrow morning she drives to the border and the border guard says - where are you going and what is the purpose of your visit?

How should she reply?

Boiler is smart, and I am with him thim on this one.

See, boiler didn't answer this trick question of yours, and therefore he does not give any unlawful advise, and neither does Shusterman, who's not "just" some lawyer, but one of the most successful and highly regarded immigration attorneys in the country.

Boiler as well as Shusterman just showed what's possible under current immigration law and outlined the path, which is walked by many people successfully.

Both leave morals and God out of this,

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

double post

Edited December 7, 2009 by Just Bob

[Wyld Blu 35]

My two cents on this.

First off, I don't see any of us trying to push our views on anyone, or limit anyone's options. The government has done that itself. There is a legal way to immigrate and there is another option. Do people come here on a visitor visa with every intention of marrying and adjusting status to stay successfully? Of course they do...all the time. However, speaking for myself, the risks of getting caught and a ban put in place were too great for us to not do it the legal way.

It comes down to risks you are willing to take. It also comes down to this. Most of us here on VJ are intent on doing things the legal way. The way the GOVERNMENT has set up for immigration to happen. We don't support, and is against TOS to suggest illegal immigration. For me, it isn't a moral issue. It is, again an issue of the risks.

BTW, USCIS AND my state senator's office BOTH suggested that my fiance come here on a visitor visa, adjust status and stay. They BOTH said that it was perfectly fine and people to it all the time. After doing independent research...not only here on VJ, we came to the conclusion that why risk a 10 yr ban so we don't have a 6 month wait? So, you see, you cannot depend on any one source for your information..RESEARCH...find out the risks involved and weigh them out. Doing anything else to me seems crazy.

-Blu-

[trailmix 77]

Ok boiler, answer this then, if you will.

Let's just assume that the OP wants to go tomorrow, to the U.S., marry her fiance and adjust status.

Tomorrow morning she drives to the border and the border guard says - where are you going and what is the purpose of your visit?

How should she reply?

Boiler is smart, and I am with him thim on this one.

See, boiler didn't answer this trick question of yours, and therefore he does not give any unlawful advise, and neither does Shusterman, who's not "just" some lawyer, but one of the most successful and highly regarded immigration attorneys in the country.

Boiler as well as Shusterman just showed what's possible under current immigration law and outlined the path, which is walked by many people successfully.

Both leave morals and God out of this,

Trick question? It's not a trick question - it is what the person will probably be asked and they are going to have to respond. If they tell the truth, ie: I am going to the United States to get married to my fiance and I will then stay and adjust status - they will not be permitted entry.

Nothing tricky there.

In order for anyone to do what you and Shusterman and Boiler are suggesting they will have to lie to the border guard. That is against the law. I don't believe I mentioned morals or God anywhere in my examples. What I am stating is the law - now if you follow that law because your moral standards do not allow you to lie - well more power to you, if you follow that law simply because you do not want to risk incurring a ban from entering the country - well that's good too I suppose.

I'm not judging people, i'm pointing out the risk involved in breaking a law.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

trailmix is correct. This is not a moral/religious issue. The law is pretty damn clear, and why people don't get that is beyond me. To do what the OP was asking about, they would have to indeed lie to the border crossing officer. Which -go figure- is a no no; and we all know that.

If anyone on VJ suggests circumventing or bending immigration law, they are breaking the TOS. But again, we also know this, right? VJ sheesh.

[wmtc 0]

It is not good to lie at POE, , just visit and get married and tell the poe officer u will be heading back to Canada after marriage and applying for the proper visa, it is upto them to let u thru or deny U. It will not hurt u to be truthfull, so what if u get denied at poe for bieng truthful atleast it wont affect your futer visa application.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

BTW, USCIS AND my state senator's office BOTH suggested that my fiance come here on a visitor visa, adjust status and stay. They BOTH said that it was perfectly fine and people to it all the time.

We don't even know if and what a border patrol officer is going to ask. Why crossing a bridge that is nowhere in sight? In plain English, the whole process might go very smoothly without lying to even the family priest.

"What if?" questions are purely speculative.

What if President Obama tomorrow night rips off his rubber mask, and underneath of it is a slimy reptile body, glowing blue in the dark, and we all realize he's an alien from a galaxy for away. What if?

Edited December 7, 2009 by Just Bob

[Wyld Blu 35]

BTW, USCIS AND my state senator's office BOTH suggested that my fiance come here on a visitor visa, adjust status and stay. They BOTH said that it was perfectly fine and people to it all the time.

We don't even know if and what a border patrol officer is going to ask. Why crossing a bridge that is nowhere in sight? In plain English, the whole process might go very smoothly without lying to even the family priest.

"What if?" questions are purely speculative.

What if President Obama tomorrow night rips off his rubber mask, and underneath of it is a slimy reptile body, glowing blue in the dark, and we all realize he's an alien from a galaxy for away. What if?

Oh..I TOTALLY agree...but if you read the rest of what I wrote...my point was...that I was given INCORRECT information from both the USCIS (twice I might add) AND my senator's office. After doing my OWN research...I came to my OWN conclusions.

-Blu-

[trailmix 77]

BTW, USCIS AND my state senator's office BOTH suggested that my fiance come here on a visitor visa, adjust status and stay. They BOTH said that it was perfectly fine and people to it all the time.

We don't even know if and what a border patrol officer is going to ask. Why crossing a bridge that is nowhere in sight? In plain English, the whole process might go very smoothly without lying to even the family priest.

"What if?" questions are purely speculative.

What if President Obama tomorrow night rips off his rubber mask, and underneath of it is a slimy reptile body, glowing blue in the dark, and we all realize he's an alien from a galaxy for away. What if?

I have no experience with President Obama ripping off a rubber mask and being a reptile - however I have had many experiences crossing the border in to the United States, my family has as well, I would venture to say that many Canadians have a lot of experience with this, as well as people who have lived in Canada for any amount of time.

Edited December 7, 2009 by trailmix