Im in shock and I dont know what to do

[PhiLandShiR 18]

We are not speaking of misrepresentation. We were speaking of being involved in prostitution and not being arrested.

Until a person is arrested, it a moral issue and not a legal one. Ask any judge. Until the law is invoked, its not a legal issue.

-P

Yes sir, in my opinion....if i have been engaged in a prostitution, and wasn't arrested..then I wouldn't have proofs in NBI or any police records...then I can escape that question easily....(just correct me if imwrong please...hehe)

I was referencing FoxyBLUE's comment about this issue. If the law is not involved, its a moral issue not a legal one.

-P

Also, its not a legal issue UNTIL you are arrested. Before that its simply a moral issue...

huh? Some context would be nice here since I'm not sure specifically what you are referring to.

I'm pretty sure misrepresentation is a legal issue.

[rsn 135]

We are not speaking of misrepresentation. We were speaking of being involved in prostitution and not being arrested.

Until a person is arrested, it a moral issue and not a legal one. Ask any judge. Until the law is invoked, its not a legal issue.

-P

Yes sir, in my opinion....if i have been engaged in a prostitution, and wasn't arrested..then I wouldn't have proofs in NBI or any police records...then I can escape that question easily....(just correct me if imwrong please...hehe)

I was referencing FoxyBLUE's comment about this issue. If the law is not involved, its a moral issue not a legal one.

-P

Also, its not a legal issue UNTIL you are arrested. Before that its simply a moral issue...

huh? Some context would be nice here since I'm not sure specifically what you are referring to.

I'm pretty sure misrepresentation is a legal issue.

You and FoxyBlue are speaking about 2 different things then. Read her post again.

i have been engaged in a prostitution, and wasn't arrested..then I wouldn't have proofs in NBI or any police records...then I can escape that question easily...

That is a legal issue. To do so ("escape" the question on the DS-156) would be breaking the law.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

INA: ACT 212 - GENERAL CLASSES OF ALIENS INELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE VISAS AND INELIGIBLE FOR ADMISSION; WAIVERS OF INADMISSIBILLITY

(2) Criminal and related grounds.-

(D) Prostitution and commercialized vice.-Any alien who-

(i) is coming to the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in prostitution, or has engaged in prostitution within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status,

(ii) directly or indirectly procures or attempts to procure, or (within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status) procured or attempted to procure or to import, prostitutes or persons for the purpose of prostitution, or receives or (within such 10- year period) received, in whole or in part, the proceeds of prostitution, or

(iii) is coming to the United States to engage in any other unlawful commercialized vice, whether or not related to prostitution, is inadmissible.

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/DocView/slbid/1/2/31?hilite=

link in case the one above is truncated by vj

Edited December 7, 2009 by charles!

[DARUMA07 25]

INA: ACT 212 - GENERAL CLASSES OF ALIENS INELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE VISAS AND INELIGIBLE FOR ADMISSION; WAIVERS OF INADMISSIBILLITY

(2) Criminal and related grounds.-

(D) Prostitution and commercialized vice.-Any alien who-

(i) is coming to the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in prostitution, or has engaged in prostitution within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status,

(ii) directly or indirectly procures or attempts to procure, or (within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status) procured or attempted to procure or to import, prostitutes or persons for the purpose of prostitution, or receives or (within such 10- year period) received, in whole or in part, the proceeds of prostitution, or

(iii) is coming to the United States to engage in any other unlawful commercialized vice, whether or not related to prostitution, is inadmissible.

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/DocView/slbid/1/2/31?hilite=

link in case the one above is truncated by vj

That was what I was trying to say in Post #3... I just forgot where I read that! Thanks for sharing the link Charles...

[Scott and Mhay 57]

If she was not arrested of prostitution, she is free of not answering the question if she has been engaged in prostitution.

oh really? if she's never been arrested, in your opinion she can answer no to this question?

Have you ever been arrested or convicted for any offense or crime, even though subject of a pardon, amnesty or other similar legal action? Have you ever unlawfully distributed or sold a controlled substance(drug), or been a prostitute or procurer for prostitutes?

note that it does not ask if one has been arrested for prostitution. it asks if one has been arrested or convicted of any offense or crime.

the part about having been a prostitute or not is a yes or no, not a maybe only if arrested.

Yes sir, in my opinion....if i have been engaged in a prostitution, and wasn't arrested..then I wouldn't have proofs in NBI or any police records...then I can escape that question easily....(just correct me if imwrong please...hehe)

Read her post again...she said IF SHE HAD.

Either way it doesnt matter.....I think this thread is losing what the OP was intending. It will be his decision to persue further or what have you. You cant tell me that there arent "bargirls" that have never gotten a visa and engaged in prostitution....

It just all depends on how you look at it....yeah the bars are like pimps. In the end it is up to the OP to make the decision to still try for the visa. Yes if she did engage in prostitution, she would be ineligeable for a visa even if the visa doesnt directly ask about it.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

INA: ACT 212 - GENERAL CLASSES OF ALIENS INELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE VISAS AND INELIGIBLE FOR ADMISSION; WAIVERS OF INADMISSIBILLITY

(2) Criminal and related grounds.-

(D) Prostitution and commercialized vice.-Any alien who-

(i) is coming to the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in prostitution, or has engaged in prostitution within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status,

(ii) directly or indirectly procures or attempts to procure, or (within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status) procured or attempted to procure or to import, prostitutes or persons for the purpose of prostitution, or receives or (within such 10- year period) received, in whole or in part, the proceeds of prostitution, or

(iii) is coming to the United States to engage in any other unlawful commercialized vice, whether or not related to prostitution, is inadmissible.

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/DocView/slbid/1/2/31?hilite=

link in case the one above is truncated by vj

Thanks charles for posting this information. I pray people will read it and stop nonsensical bickering.

As to the OP: best of luck in what you decide.

[luv2uallday 1]

Is it really wise to suggest visa fraud on Visa Journey?

it's a good way to get a suspension as it's against the tos......

Being suspended for TOS violations is FUN happened to me I wear it like a badge of honor . my thoughts to you is pissing off a moderater a day keeps boredom away.

I'll be suspended for this to i bet

[Nina~ 431]

Is it really wise to suggest visa fraud on Visa Journey?

it's a good way to get a suspension as it's against the tos......

Being suspended for TOS violations is FUN happened to me I wear it like a badge of honor . my thoughts to you is pissing off a moderater a day keeps boredom away.

I'll be suspended for this to i bet

I hope you do

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Is it really wise to suggest visa fraud on Visa Journey?

it's a good way to get a suspension as it's against the tos......

Being suspended for TOS violations is FUN happened to me I wear it like a badge of honor . my thoughts to you is pissing off a moderater a day keeps boredom away.

I'll be suspended for this to i bet

Are you this smart all the time, or just on Mondays?

[Zen Den 18]

Would you get involved with a hooker here? Poor is no excuse for prostitution. Most everyone there is poor.

Hate to be the one to ask, but have you considered being tested for stds now?

yeah im going to have myself tested on MONDAY, I feel violated

if she did what she did before you met her, and she still told you about it now, it means she jsut wanted to come clean about it.

now if you test positive for STDs now and assume it's from her and still feel love for her, then don't change a thing.

if you feel violated and betrayed later, the next step is up to you.

remember, it's how you feel deep inside that should matter

good l uck and god bless!

[PhiLandShiR 18]

Well.... according to http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prostitute

1 : to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money

I offer that even a bar girl does not offer indiscriminately and so as such, does not meet the definition of prostitute.

And because of this can answer the question, NO.

-P

INA: ACT 212 - GENERAL CLASSES OF ALIENS INELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE VISAS AND INELIGIBLE FOR ADMISSION; WAIVERS OF INADMISSIBILLITY

(2) Criminal and related grounds.-

(D) Prostitution and commercialized vice.-Any alien who-

(i) is coming to the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in prostitution, or has engaged in prostitution within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status,

(ii) directly or indirectly procures or attempts to procure, or (within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status) procured or attempted to procure or to import, prostitutes or persons for the purpose of prostitution, or receives or (within such 10- year period) received, in whole or in part, the proceeds of prostitution, or

(iii) is coming to the United States to engage in any other unlawful commercialized vice, whether or not related to prostitution, is inadmissible.

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/DocView/slbid/1/2/31?hilite=

link in case the one above is truncated by vj

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

phil, what webster has to say for a definition is inmaterial. what matters is what uscis says and it's spelled out quite clearly.

[PhiLandShiR 18]

Charles,

I contend, that its not all that clear.

If USCIS meant that a 'bar girl' was not allowed a visa, then they would have stated such. They did not do so.

What they did, was choose words that have an amount of 'fudge factor'...

-Phil

phil, what webster has to say for a definition is inmaterial. what matters is what uscis says and it's spelled out quite clearly.

[rsn 135]

Charles,

I contend, that its not all that clear.

If USCIS meant that a 'bar girl' was not allowed a visa, then they would have stated such. They did not do so.

What they did, was choose words that have an amount of 'fudge factor'...

-Phil

phil, what webster has to say for a definition is inmaterial. what matters is what uscis says and it's spelled out quite clearly.

By your logic, if we call a prostitute a chocolate sundae, then they are no longer a prostitute. There really isn't much to debate here. "Bar girls" are prostitutes.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

Charles,

I contend, that its not all that clear.

If USCIS meant that a 'bar girl' was not allowed a visa, then they would have stated such. They did not do so.

What they did, was choose words that have an amount of 'fudge factor'...

-Phil

phil, what webster has to say for a definition is inmaterial. what matters is what uscis says and it's spelled out quite clearly.

i think everyone here knows better than to try to "fudge factor" given the potential for a lifetime ban. i'd appreciate it if we don't have an exercise in semantics.