unbelievable

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

well stated, jp

[Fandango 1,439]

Agreed!

And why the hotlinking continues....I have no clue

Ok...I am stepping in here. Are there a set of rules for the ME/NA forum that I have been unaware of? Give me a break.

I have read a lot recently and have not posted. However, all of this just goes beyond and is why I rarely post any more. This is a general discussion forum. If Rebecca wants people in this forum to be aware of a movie that she thinks propagates discrimination that OUR loved ones do feel EVERY DAY living here in the US, then by all means I am happy she is making us aware. And I know what is coming next...we all see it every day on VJ...our loved ones knew what they were getting into. To be honest, I don't really think they did. My husband every day is surprised by the lack of freedoms he hears about or the blatant discrimination that goes on. I think almost all of us just want to spread tolerance, understanding, and peace.

Twila

Well, Twila, before you 'step in here' let me just say that if you have any clue to what we're alluding to, you'd be curious yourself as to why summat that opened up our site...specifically this forum...to outside hate....would continue. So while there are no 'official' rules per se to my knowledge on hotlinking.....I feel hotlinking (considering the LAST debacle)...especially hotlinking to summat that is hateful...opens this site up to unwanted attn. And someone who's preaching hate & whatnot on a site can SEE that it's been hotlinked (from what I'm told) and give them a direct heads up straight here. Do YOU think it's wise?

I can't blame you if you don't know what we're talking about here...but if you knew, you'd prolly be against the hotlinking too. It caused a lot of hurt & embarrassment to many ppl here & I don't think we should be looking to play with fire again. I'm not looking to pee in anyone's cornflakes, so you can put your defenses down.... we're all in the same boat here as far as what brought us here. I choose to look at common ground rather than focusing on what makes us different. I am just interested in trying to protect this site as much as poss...as should every other member here.

kthxbye

I know a lot more than you think. I was one of the people focused on by that site. I don't blame the person who linked to the site. I blame the hatred of the person who runs that site. It is amazing how religion can bring out the absolute best and the absolute worst of people -- regardless of whether they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Wiccan, so on. I think being aware of what is out there is to be armed.

Twila

Ok then, my bad....I am truly sorry that you had to endure that, and my concern stems from not having to see another one of our members endure the same. No, I am not blaming the person who hotlinked that to what transpired, but that is how it started. Yes, the argument could be made that that person did not know. But now it's known, so really is there any excuse anymore to play with fire? And there should be some kind of lesson learned than to hotlink to more hate filled #######. Yes, anyone can discuss anything they want...but a linked invite basically to something of that nature is asking for trouble imo. I read these boards from time to time & I hear things like the yahoo group being formed so ppl can have 'somewhere safe' to talk. Well how safe can VJ be when links are made to unreasonable bigots? For many of us, this is our somewhere safe...we're not going elsewhere, but is it too much to ask that precautions be made so that trouble is not invited here? That whole debacle didn't just affect one forum..it affected all of us. Look around and see how many of us have since removed our photos and are a little more guarded. Cos none of us want to be the next target.

'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' Silly me for thinking we should all take smarter precautionary measures.

And ITA JP...nice to see ya around....

[jordanianprincess 0]

And ITA JP...nice to see ya around....

Thanks

[Together4ever 1]

Jean - When you watch the show Carlos Mencia and he is making fun of Arabs and Muslims, why do you get offended? He also makes fun of Asians, Mexicans, Jews, Christians. and everything else under the sun. His show is not created to make fun of Islam, he makes fun of everyone.

I find him offensive in general. Sorry you misunderstood.

[jordanianprincess 0]

Jean - When you watch the show Carlos Mencia and he is making fun of Arabs and Muslims, why do you get offended? He also makes fun of Asians, Mexicans, Jews, Christians. and everything else under the sun. His show is not created to make fun of Islam, he makes fun of everyone.

I find him offensive in general. Sorry you misunderstood.

He used to be one of my favorite comics, but that was a long time ago. Seems to me that when a comic finds his way into mainstream his material changes. However even back then in 1999, he was making fun of arabs. I guess I'm just used to it. Even though I'm not muslim, arabs just get lumped into one big bucket so I grew up my whole life this way.

Growing up, if i had a dollar for everytime someone asked me if my dad wore a turban, I'd be rich. People are ignorant, they will always be ignorant.

[iceyspots 0]

lol..... I feel the carlos is one of the only people who have a right to make fun of every group, because its funny and he also makes fun of his own people.

[jordanianprincess 0]

lol..... I feel the carlos is one of the only people who have a right to make fun of every group, because its funny and he also makes fun of his own people.

Exactly.

[Veiled Princess 1]

JP I just wanted to say that I agree with everything you said.

Yes there is racism and no we can't change it. It is asking for trouble to post certain things here. If you're going to post it anyway you've got to learn to ignore the haters. I have been (and prolly will be in the future too) guilty of the same things so I understand.

There is a yahoo group for these types of things to be discussed if you don't want backlash about it here and many folks have that 360 page (myself included) where you can post these types of things for friends to see and you can control who is allowed to comment or not.

If you see something posted here that misrepresents Islam (or whatever you're a part of) then stick up for it and don't censor yourself! But don't ask for it when you know how many people here feel.

On a lighter note: Carlos is hillarious!!!! He doesn't limit his material to any one "group" and it's all in good fun. Have you ever seen Arabs or any other member of any group he's poking fun at in the audience? They seem to understand it's a joke and are laughing pretty hard too.

[sarah and hicham 3]

JP you know I agree with you!

You couldn't have written that better and I thin EVERYONE can understand what you wrote and cannot argue with it because it is so true.

Congratulations you are today best poster!! This is a new award I just made up so there isn't much glory to it but keep on posting!

Sarah

[UmmSqueakster 54]

Ah, I found it. My favorite review of the movie. The guys (and gals) at alt muslim never cease to amuse me.

[Bosco 1]

Curious, since I am the original poster who posted the link. Who was the hater and how did I not ignore them?

As I posted, my intention is to try to counter it with something positive if it is shown in my area. JP replied that she felt it was best not defend or associated, and I posted my differing perspective. I don't consider JP a hater.

This isn't just to Layla but to several of the replies. The original post has lead to advice on how or what we should or should not post, that there have been "moans and groans" about someone offering their opinion, "sinking to their level","hating on people for disagreeing" and other so-called responses on my part. I say my part because nearly all of your messages say something to the effect "if you are going to post something" -- well I was the one who did it.

So I ask you, where in this thread I have responded in any of the ways you have accused me of?

Rebecca

JP I just wanted to say that I agree with everything you said.

Yes there is racism and no we can't change it. It is asking for trouble to post certain things here. If you're going to post it anyway you've got to learn to ignore the haters. I have been (and prolly will be in the future too) guilty of the same things so I understand.

[dollface41601 0]

first and foremost, my post was not in any way directed toward you Bosco, or anyone in particular for that matter...yes my wording may have sounded a bit rude, but anyone WHO KNOWS ME SHOULD kNOW, that it was never meant that way....i think faster than i type, and things dont come out as they should sometimes...WOOPS MY BAD....my point is....the OP started this topic, and the first person to come in and have something not so nice to say about the topic got bashed....why?

[sarah and hicham 3]

JP you know I agree with you!

You couldn't have written that better and I thin EVERYONE can understand what you wrote and cannot argue with it because it is so true.

Congratulations you are today best poster!! This is a new award I just made up so there isn't much glory to it but keep on posting!

Sarah

Oh sorry Kelly I don't know how I forgot to tell you the same thing that I told JP. Anyways I agree with you also and good work haha.

Sarah

[Veiled Princess 1]

Curious, since I am the original poster who posted the link. Who was the hater and how did I not ignore them?

As I posted, my intention is to try to counter it with something positive if it is shown in my area. JP replied that she felt it was best not defend or associated, and I posted my differing perspective. I don't consider JP a hater.

This isn't just to Layla but to several of the replies. The original post has lead to advice on how or what we should or should not post, that there have been "moans and groans" about someone offering their opinion, "sinking to their level","hating on people for disagreeing" and other so-called responses on my part. I say my part because nearly all of your messages say something to the effect "if you are going to post something" -- well I was the one who did it.

So I ask you, where in this thread I have responded in any of the ways you have accused me of?

Rebecca

JP I just wanted to say that I agree with everything you said.

Yes there is racism and no we can't change it. It is asking for trouble to post certain things here. If you're going to post it anyway you've got to learn to ignore the haters. I have been (and prolly will be in the future too) guilty of the same things so I understand.

My apologies Rebcca, I was addressing us as a whole and use "you" generally. Nothing to you personally sister

[PlatyPius 5]

I've been following this, but not replying, since I'd probably just say something that would get me labeled a "hater". Oh well.

Do you hate people discriminating against you? Then you're a hater. Do you hate destruction of our environment by corporations? Then you're a hater. Do you hate people posting anti-muslim things on message boards and the internet in general? Then you're a hater.

I'm sorry, but the label "Hater" is about the silliest thing I've ever heard. It's a keyword of the "I'm a Victim!" crowd. When you stop thinking and acting like a victim, you'll stop being victimized.

As for my personal views....

I've studied the Koran, the Bible, and the Torah. They ALL promote hate in some form or another. It's the nature of most religions. That's one of the reasons that I don't have one.

I did want to comment on the title of this thread.... "unbelievable, Islam Hate Film" How is that, in any way, unbelievable? There are "hate" films about blacks, about pagans, about democrats, about republicans, about Georgie Bush, about homosexuals, about "infidels", about America, about just about anything on the planet. I fail to see how it's unbelievable.