Illegal immigrant minors

[Darnell 8,478]

3rd question - i'd pick a carrier that didn't handle illegals.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Yes

Yes

Yes

Children are children people. Grow a fvcking conscience.

I hear you! Unfortunately whenever the talk turns to illegal immigration on this board it's sometimes hard to detect any sign of a conscience or compassion.

Yep. Many of them say it's the "illegal" part that upsets them, but the reality is that the legal bureaucracy of our current immigration favors some more than others. We need immigration reform, including a robust system of issuing temporary work visas for low-skilled laborers.

[GabiandVi 34]

We agree that minors aren't capable of consent, yes?

Then why do we think they're capable of consenting to illegally entering a country when in reality they entered with their parents?

Or, more simply put, children are children.

You're angry and I think I know why. Your inhumanity has been revealed and you don't like it. You'd rather continue to hide behind that veneer of law and order. Sorry, but we won't let you.

Thank you for illustratiing my point. You created this poll. If you there is only one "right" way to answer it, then why did you do so? So that you could sit in judgement of those who did not answer it correctly? That is the definition of close-minded and judgemental.

Or did you think you worded it so cleverly that you would catch people out? Apparantly, you aren't that clever.

You don't know the souls of the people who answer your poll, yet you consider yourself more worthy than they are based on their responses to a manipulatively worded poll. The fall from that high horse is going to be painful.

If you count me as one lacking in humanity, you might as well call me short. It's not an insecurity I have. I know that I probably show more humanity on a daily basis than you do. I also know my limits. You don't know yours and yet you sit in judgement of others. Well there's a limitation for you.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

i haven't seen aj take a beating like this ever since he got christina mad at him

[HAL 9000 96]

Yes

Yes

Yes

Children are children people. Grow a fvcking conscience.

So many people are blinded by their hatred.

And so many people are blinded by their narrow, judgemental, puritanical, ignorant definition of conscience. "If you don't agree with my self-righteous view of the world, you are bad and immoral. There is no other way of seeing things." Sound familiar? Sound ignorant? Sound like the way you accuse fundamentalists of being? Look in the mirror.

Ouch.

So children are not children?

Righteousness doesn't have to be so gray.

Do you ever actually say anything or do you always "dance a little sidestep" and talk in circles? And are you being intentionally obtuse, or are you really that thick? I can't figure it out. You seem to respond like this in so many threads to so many people.

Children aren't children? ####### does that mean? What does that have to do with the hypocracy and narrow-mindedness of the initial response? Righteousness doesn't have to be gray? "Children are children." "Life is unfair." "The sun will come up tomorrow." Say something. Don't just give ambiguous platitudes. Or do you want people to read whatever they want into what you say so that you can come back with other meaningless statements in "contradiction?"

Having a hard day?

[HAL 9000 96]

Yes

Yes

Yes

Children are children people. Grow a fvcking conscience.

I hear you! Unfortunately whenever the talk turns to illegal immigration on this board it's sometimes hard to detect any sign of a conscience or compassion.

Yep. Many of them say it's the "illegal" part that upsets them, but the reality is that the legal bureaucracy of our current immigration favors some more than others. We need immigration reform, including a robust system of issuing temporary work visas for low-skilled laborers.

Indeed. I think Len's point was CLEAR enough. Children should not be victims of adults' political agendas- on any side of any argument. Anyone that can't read that surely must have other problems that are muddling with a very clear and obvious issue.

i haven't seen aj take a beating like this ever since he got christina mad at him

She got MAD at him?

[GabiandVi 34]

Indeed. I think Len's point was CLEAR enough. Children should not be victims of adults' political agendas- on any side of any argument. Anyone that can't read that surely must have other problems that are muddling with a very clear and obvious issue.

And there is no other solution aside from yours? Of course not. Because you hold the moral authority. Geez this sounds so familiar.

Yes

Yes

Yes

Children are children people. Grow a fvcking conscience.

So many people are blinded by their hatred.

And so many people are blinded by their narrow, judgemental, puritanical, ignorant definition of conscience. "If you don't agree with my self-righteous view of the world, you are bad and immoral. There is no other way of seeing things." Sound familiar? Sound ignorant? Sound like the way you accuse fundamentalists of being? Look in the mirror.

Ouch.

So children are not children?

Righteousness doesn't have to be so gray.

Do you ever actually say anything or do you always "dance a little sidestep" and talk in circles? And are you being intentionally obtuse, or are you really that thick? I can't figure it out. You seem to respond like this in so many threads to so many people.

Children aren't children? ####### does that mean? What does that have to do with the hypocracy and narrow-mindedness of the initial response? Righteousness doesn't have to be gray? "Children are children." "Life is unfair." "The sun will come up tomorrow." Say something. Don't just give ambiguous platitudes. Or do you want people to read whatever they want into what you say so that you can come back with other meaningless statements in "contradiction?"

Having a hard day?

Again, not saying anything. Afraid to commit?

[SMOKE 1,426]

i haven't seen aj take a beating like this ever since he got christina mad at him

HAL seems to have developed a taste for pwnishment too.

[HAL 9000 96]

Indeed. I think Len's point was CLEAR enough. Children should not be victims of adults' political agendas- on any side of any argument. Anyone that can't read that surely must have other problems that are muddling with a very clear and obvious issue.

And there is no other solution aside from yours? Of course not. Because you hold the moral authority. Geez this sounds so familiar.

Yes

Yes

Yes

Children are children people. Grow a fvcking conscience.

So many people are blinded by their hatred.

And so many people are blinded by their narrow, judgemental, puritanical, ignorant definition of conscience. "If you don't agree with my self-righteous view of the world, you are bad and immoral. There is no other way of seeing things." Sound familiar? Sound ignorant? Sound like the way you accuse fundamentalists of being? Look in the mirror.

Ouch.

So children are not children?

Righteousness doesn't have to be so gray.

Do you ever actually say anything or do you always "dance a little sidestep" and talk in circles? And are you being intentionally obtuse, or are you really that thick? I can't figure it out. You seem to respond like this in so many threads to so many people.

Children aren't children? ####### does that mean? What does that have to do with the hypocracy and narrow-mindedness of the initial response? Righteousness doesn't have to be gray? "Children are children." "Life is unfair." "The sun will come up tomorrow." Say something. Don't just give ambiguous platitudes. Or do you want people to read whatever they want into what you say so that you can come back with other meaningless statements in "contradiction?"

Having a hard day?

Again, not saying anything. Afraid to commit?

Never claimed I did. The only statement I back is that kids shouldn't be treated as pawns in a sick little game. If you have a reading problem then that is surely not my problem or concern. If you want to trivialize that game, so be it, so get over the fact that other people prefer to treat children as children.

[HAL 9000 96]

i haven't seen aj take a beating like this ever since he got christina mad at him

HAL seems to have developed a taste for pwnishment too.

Apparently.

Its not until sh!t happens to your own kids that some people start to care about sh!t I guess.

[GabiandVi 34]

i haven't seen aj take a beating like this ever since he got christina mad at him

HAL seems to have developed a taste for pwnishment too.

Apparently.

Its not until sh!t happens to your own kids that some people start to care about sh!t I guess.

As usual, you make ASSumptions about people that you know nothing about and conclude yourself superior. What do you know about my child or her health issues? Do you really want to go there? But then, YOU can, can't you, because YOU are above others, aren't you.

Sorry I doubted your omniscience and your magnanimousness. Please forgive, o holy one.

Here's wishing you tenfold what you wish on others.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

and hal has a red face!

[The_Dude 1,142]

A quick question before I cast my vote in this poll. On all 3 questions, are you assuming that this information is known before we make said donation or sign up for an insurance plan? If you know before hand, and still make a decision that you are complaining about, I think that speaks volumes

[HAL 9000 96]

i haven't seen aj take a beating like this ever since he got christina mad at him

HAL seems to have developed a taste for pwnishment too.

Apparently.

Its not until sh!t happens to your own kids that some people start to care about sh!t I guess.

As usual, you make ASSumptions about people that you know nothing about and conclude yourself superior. What do you know about my child or her health issues? Do you really want to go there? But then, YOU can, can't you, because YOU are above others, aren't you.

Sorry I doubted your omniscience and your magnanimousness. Please forgive, o holy one.

Here's wishing you tenfold what you wish on others.

Now this is getting interesting. Where EXACTLY does HAL 9000 make an assumption about you in particular??

Please... IF you are having personal problems outside of VJ that may cast a shadow on how you deal with others' perspectives as to topics such as this one (particularly, how children should be given equal footing regardless of their parents' transgressions), then I do hope you may overcome them.

And thanks for the well wishes. Thou hast been forgiven.

and hal has a red face!

[GabiandVi 34]

i haven't seen aj take a beating like this ever since he got christina mad at him

HAL seems to have developed a taste for pwnishment too.

Apparently.

Its not until sh!t happens to your own kids that some people start to care about sh!t I guess.

As usual, you make ASSumptions about people that you know nothing about and conclude yourself superior. What do you know about my child or her health issues? Do you really want to go there? But then, YOU can, can't you, because YOU are above others, aren't you.

Sorry I doubted your omniscience and your magnanimousness. Please forgive, o holy one.

Here's wishing you tenfold what you wish on others.

Now this is getting interesting. Where EXACTLY does HAL 9000 make an assumption about you in particular??

Please... IF you are having personal problems outside of VJ that may cast a shadow on how you deal with others' perspectives as to topics such as this one (particularly, how children should be given equal footing regardless of their parents' transgressions), then I do hope you may overcome them.

And thanks for the well wishes. Thou hast been forgiven.

and hal has a red face!

Actually, O Holy One, I never said you made an assumption about me personally. You make generalizations about anyone who dares to disagree with your one and only righteous conclusions, and (I pray thee not strike me dead) that includes me. But in case you didn't follow the thread, you were responding to a post about me and referring to Sh!t happening to people's children. I know how you like to talk in circles, O Holy One, and avoid committing yourself, but it didn't quite slip past. Who were the people who might have sh!t happen to their children? Oh yes, we who differ, the evil ones.

And now you HAVE made a direct assumption about me. The only reason I could disagree with you is because I'm having personal problems. What a wise and open mind you have. So fair and intelligent. Maybe in your oh-so-highly-evolved mind you can comfort yourself that I must just be on the "rag." Your logic follows that path. Please, O Holy One, dismiss my paltry musings for I am but a lowly woman who actually believes she can think for herself.

But your omniscience is failing, I fear to tell you, O Holy One. I have no personal problems related to this issue. I know you are not disappointed. I know your good wishes for me and mine are sincere.

I accept your forgiveness, O Holy One of the House of Smug. Now you may go in peace.