Official: Four Wash. police officers killed in coffee shop attack

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

Terrible!!!

[ready4ONE 5,400]

If only the police officers had been armed, they could have defended themselves from this horrific gun violence...

as said in another thread, situational awareness plays a key role too. being armed means nothing if one isn't paying attention to what's going on around them.

You don't need to be armed to know what is going on around you, and protect yourself.

yet being armed and not paying attention to what's going on around you is a good way to have your gun taken away from you.

now about your earlier remark - soldiers are killed too, yet they are armed.

Your logic, from your earlier posts, is that being armed makes people safer. Yet this happens despite your bent logic... But keep telling yourself guns make us all safer. Reality not withstanding.

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

If only the police officers had been armed, they could have defended themselves from this horrific gun violence...

as said in another thread, situational awareness plays a key role too. being armed means nothing if one isn't paying attention to what's going on around them.

You don't need to be armed to know what is going on around you, and protect yourself.

yet being armed and not paying attention to what's going on around you is a good way to have your gun taken away from you.

now about your earlier remark - soldiers are killed too, yet they are armed.

Your logic, from your earlier posts, is that being armed makes people safer. Yet this happens despite your bent logic... But keep telling yourself guns make us all safer. Reality not withstanding.

i'd rather have the chance to defend myself than have to depend on 911. whether i'm successful or not doing so is at least in my own hands, and not some faceless 911 operator.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

The four officers had decades of experience between them, were well armed, and may have actually gotten off a shot on the perpetrator that hit him. I don't think Joe Smoe and his pocket Smith & Wesson would do much if any better in the same or similar circumstances.

Sad truth is, guns primary purpose is for killing. Guns do this very well.

They are not safe, nor is anyone truly safer by so many having guns. Clearly this moron was not deterred by the officers he shot being armed, nor was he deterred by the fact someone else in or around the coffee shop might be armed.

Edited November 30, 2009 by ready4ONE

[Ban Hammer 13,336]

The four officers had decades of experience between them, were well armed, and may have actually gotten off a shot on the perpetrator that hit him. I don't think Joe Smoe and his pocket Smith & Wesson would do much if any better in the same or similar circumstances.

Sad truth is, guns primary purpose is for killing. Guns do this very well.

They are not safe, nor is anyone truly safer by so many having guns. Clearly this moron was not deterred by the officers he shot being armed, nor was he deterred by the fact someone else in or around the coffee shop might be armed.

experience counts for nothing if one isn't situationally aware and becomes complacent. the badge, uniform, and gun has very little bearing on someone intending to ambush you. cops have to stay on their toes all the time.

and yes, that about being situationally aware and not becoming complacent has bearing on someone with a cch. otherwise, someone could take their gun away from them. and that happens to cops too.

as for what guns do - yes, they can kill. and yes, they can also deter a criminal without a shot being fired. most only focus on the first part of what they can do.

it's your right to have one, but if you don't want to, no one will make you get one. i on the other hand have issue with people's concept that guns are not a right, that i should not have one if i so chose.

[meowmeowmeow 1]

wow that sucks RIP

[ceriserose 1]

If only the gunman didn't have access to a gun, this never would've happened. While we're at it, we should probably make shooting people illegal and also shooting cops illegal.

We may even want to consider making coffee illegal.

That's one of the few things that would never fly in WA state.

Chicka! How's You's?

Keepin' on. Busy as always. Had to come set the record straight on this coffee issue.

ETA: And thanks Dean...nice to see you keeping things all donkey-ish here. And Chica Yaya I'm glad you agree...I think I should probably know you based on the timing but with all the name changes I can't place ya.

Edited November 30, 2009 by ceriserose

[alienlovechild 75]

They are not safe, nor is anyone truly safer by so many having guns. Clearly this moron was not deterred by the officers he shot being armed, nor was he deterred by the fact someone else in or around the coffee shop might be armed.

An armed police force isn't a deterrent to crime? Courts and prisons haven't deterred all crime either so they, too, must go.

Ready's armed solely with wits and harsh language, An empty holster all the way.

[HAL 9000 96]

This just in...

The man sought in the deadly ambush had been released from prison on a commutation of sentence ...

Lets see how many here say the governor in that state was a Liberal.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

If only the gunman didn't have access to a gun, this never would've happened. While we're at it, we should probably make shooting people illegal and also shooting cops illegal.

We may even want to consider making coffee illegal.

That's one of the few things that would never fly in WA state.

Chicka! How's You's?

Keepin' on. Busy as always. Had to come set the record straight on this coffee issue.

ETA: And thanks Dean...nice to see you keeping things all donkey-ish here. And Chica Yaya I'm glad you agree...I think I should probably know you based on the timing but with all the name changes I can't place ya.

Hey sister, I used to go by Len.. always crazy and livin la vida loca in Seattle

[ceriserose 1]

If only the gunman didn't have access to a gun, this never would've happened. While we're at it, we should probably make shooting people illegal and also shooting cops illegal.

We may even want to consider making coffee illegal.

That's one of the few things that would never fly in WA state.

Chicka! How's You's?

Keepin' on. Busy as always. Had to come set the record straight on this coffee issue.

ETA: And thanks Dean...nice to see you keeping things all donkey-ish here. And Chica Yaya I'm glad you agree...I think I should probably know you based on the timing but with all the name changes I can't place ya.

Hey sister, I used to go by Len.. always crazy and livin la vida loca in Seattle

Well that explains how you know about the coffee thing. I do recall you now...my aging memory sometimes gets the better of me.

[Teacher Mark 53]

This just in...

The man sought in the deadly ambush had been released from prison on a commutation of sentence ...

Lets see how many here say the governor in that state was a Liberal.

RIP

How liberal is Mike Hukabee? Anyone remeber Willie Horton? See ya' Huckster.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/30/washin...olice.shooting/

Edited November 30, 2009 by Mr. Saigon

[Heracles 417]

If only the police officers had been armed, they could have defended themselves from this horrific gun violence...

[ready4ONE 5,400]

They are not safe, nor is anyone truly safer by so many having guns. Clearly this moron was not deterred by the officers he shot being armed, nor was he deterred by the fact someone else in or around the coffee shop might be armed.

An armed police force isn't a deterrent to crime? Courts and prisons haven't deterred all crime either so they, too, must go.

Ready's armed solely with wits and harsh language, An empty holster all the way.

The police force being armed, and the average guy on the street being armed are hardly one and the same.

[Heracles 417]

If only the police officers had been armed, they could have defended themselves from this horrific gun violence...

as said in another thread, situational awareness plays a key role too. being armed means nothing if one isn't paying attention to what's going on around them.

Never seizes to amaze me that every gun toting Charles erroneously assumes they would pull out their gun and kill anyone who tries to rob them. Wrong! By the time you even think of getting your gun out, if they're as smart and fast as me, they would already have a barrel at your head and your spouse's head ready to fire.

Moral of the story, ensure the bad guys don't have guns. This John Wayne / Dirty Harry world is in the movies.

If only the gunman didn't have access to a gun, this never would've happened. While we're at it, we should probably make shooting people illegal and also shooting cops illegal.

We may even want to consider making coffee illegal.

Not surprised with that response. Slim = gross logic fail.

I'll make it easy. Find me where four Australian cops have been shot dead in one week; in the past 100 years.

Edited November 30, 2009 by Booyah!