Moderator Inconsistency and Duplicity

[Captain Ewok 1,887]

Captain -

While you are at it, it might not hurt to check for Alt ID's.

When anyone is suspended or worse I usually do. IP's through a proxy admittedly I can not screen. There is no secret there. I can spot IPs from their home or other fixed IP that people use and make the required connections.

I also just want to say; I am not some rude or bad guy. I am trying to help. I hope that the reason we have these back and forths is to better VJ and not just to make a scene or waste each others time. I have a family that I would rather give as much time to but I am always here when you want to discuss these issues. I only ask that you respect me and my time like I would yours, and take it up when it is for the benefit of VJ.

[meauxna 15]

Find the links with google + your search term (the link) + site:visajourney.com

Thank you for linking to this. This does violate the warning as given prior. Action will be taken per the prior warning. I am not going to make a hoop-la over this but your point is valid.

I just did the above google search with the addition of 'nov' to the search and got 92 results since you gave him a final warning.

Feel the love yet?

I'm not saying you should have a big hoopla again, but that person and their alt IDs should be perma-banned, in my opinion (which you didn't ask for ).

edit for typo.. no letters left on my keyboard!

Edited November 29, 2009 by meauxna

[rebeccajo 14]

Captain -

While you are at it, it might not hurt to check for Alt ID's.

When anyone is suspended or worse I usually do. IP's through a proxy admittedly I can not screen. There is no secret there. I can spot IPs from their home or other fixed IP that people use and make the required connections.

I also just want to say; I am not some rude or bad guy. I am trying to help. I hope that the reason we have these back and forths is to better VJ and not just to make a scene or waste each others time. I have a family that I would rather give as much time to but I am always here when you want to discuss these issues. I only ask that you respect me and my time like I would yours, and take it up when it is for the benefit of VJ.

I never said you were rude or bad. Never thought it either.

And I have never bothered you unless I felt it was for the well-being of Vj. I think it's pretty safe to say that (generally speaking) I only make an a$$ out of myself when I feel the site is being compromised or it's membership being bullied (by anyone).

[meauxna 15]

I also just want to say; I am not some rude or bad guy. I am trying to help. I hope that the reason we have these back and forths is to better VJ and not just to make a scene or waste each others time. I have a family that I would rather give as much time to but I am always here when you want to discuss these issues. I only ask that you respect me and my time like I would yours, and take it up when it is for the benefit of VJ.

Ewok, cuddle honey, no one thinks you are rude or a bad guy or is even disrespecting you.. that is not in it and never has been (as far as I'm concerned, or anyone I've ever discussed you or VJ with). I think you worry about the wrong things. Not everyone here has the best interests of you, your site or your users in mind, and I'm not talking about shoe spammers from China here.

What's disrespecful is talking into thin air or being told that things are going to happen (change) for the benefit of the membership when those things are never going to happen.

You are a cypher.

[Captain Ewok 1,887]

Find the links with google + your search term (the link) + site:visajourney.com

Thank you for linking to this. This does violate the warning as given prior. Action will be taken per the prior warning. I am not going to make a hoop-la over this but your point is valid.

I just did the above goodle search with the addition of 'nov' to the search and got 92 results since you gave him a final warning.

Feel the love yet?

I'm not saying you should have a big hoopla again, but that person and their alt IDs should be perma-banned, in my opinion (which you didn't ask for ).

You have to remember that google double or more indexes items with the many permutations of our dynamic urls on VJ. I did a search for the domain on VJ and did not find it before. Regardless though of frequency, your above link to the post is sufficient.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I also just want to say; I am not some rude or bad guy. I am trying to help. I hope that the reason we have these back and forths is to better VJ and not just to make a scene or waste each others time. I have a family that I would rather give as much time to but I am always here when you want to discuss these issues. I only ask that you respect me and my time like I would yours, and take it up when it is for the benefit of VJ.

You are not rude. You're an Ewok.

I think all of us who are participating actively in these kinds of exchanges with you in the past weeks are doing it for the betterment of VJ. I personally was expecting a lot of changes that remain to be seen. The survey was a big... well, disappointment. Because I can design a survey that proves my point; and in this case you designed a survey in such a way that it favored your moderating team. That survey became laughing stock; sorry (and I do not mean to be rude; when I am rude, people know )

It was also mentioned here many a times about the inability of certain moderator to leave threads he/she does not know a thing about alone until the moderator that knows can step in. Repeatedly. My humble take is that is what happens when someone is made a moderator in response to his/he constant whining. Because we all know that is exactly what happened. Yet he continues to do so. What are we to do? report the moderator in question so he/she takes care of moderating him/herself? Who guards the guards?

The issue with pushbrk is another example of us trying to better VJ. I have been repeatedly chastised by your moderating team for being too upfront and not painting pretty pictures to new VJers in search of advise. I have also said this before: I am not here to blow unicorns in people's youknowahts. I am here to respond to threads when I know the answer -- because I care and would hate for families to be separated for longer than they have been. And in comes the King of Snotty.... berates, belittles, patronizes people. to this day, I still have to see him suspended/gone.

I think I speak for a bunch of us when we tell you --- the ####### is hitting the fan. We cannot stop it; since we cannot make the changes that are needed. Only you can.

Out for a Dr. Pepper and a ciggie now

[Captain Ewok 1,887]

I also just want to say; I am not some rude or bad guy. I am trying to help. I hope that the reason we have these back and forths is to better VJ and not just to make a scene or waste each others time. I have a family that I would rather give as much time to but I am always here when you want to discuss these issues. I only ask that you respect me and my time like I would yours, and take it up when it is for the benefit of VJ.

Ewok, cuddle honey, no one thinks you are rude or a bad guy or is even disrespecting you.. that is not in it and never has been (as far as I'm concerned, or anyone I've ever discussed you or VJ with). I think you worry about the wrong things. Not everyone here has the best interests of you, your site or your users in mind, and I'm not talking about shoe spammers from China here.

What's disrespecful is talking into thin air or being told that things are going to happen (change) for the benefit of the membership when those things are never going to happen.

You are a cypher.

In this case I did ask for evidence, you gave it, action has already been taken (emails sent). I am a pretty cut and dry person when someone throws evidence (factual) like this. You made your case with evidence. If you spot more in the future related to this topic by any member please let me know.

[Captain Ewok 1,887]

I also just want to say; I am not some rude or bad guy. I am trying to help. I hope that the reason we have these back and forths is to better VJ and not just to make a scene or waste each others time. I have a family that I would rather give as much time to but I am always here when you want to discuss these issues. I only ask that you respect me and my time like I would yours, and take it up when it is for the benefit of VJ.

You are not rude. You're an Ewok.

I think all of us who are participating actively in these kinds of exchanges with you in the past weeks are doing it for the betterment of VJ. I personally was expecting a lot of changes that remain to be seen. The survey was a big... well, disappointment. Because I can design a survey that proves my point; and in this case you designed a survey in such a way that it favored your moderating team. That survey became laughing stock; sorry (and I do not mean to be rude; when I am rude, people know )

It was also mentioned here many a times about the inability of certain moderator to leave threads he/she does not know a thing about alone until the moderator that knows can step in. Repeatedly. My humble take is that is what happens when someone is made a moderator in response to his/he constant whining. Because we all know that is exactly what happened. Yet he continues to do so. What are we to do? report the moderator in question so he/she takes care of moderating him/herself? Who guards the guards?

The issue with pushbrk is another example of us trying to better VJ. I have been repeatedly chastised by your moderating team for being too upfront and not painting pretty pictures to new VJers in search of advise. I have also said this before: I am not here to blow unicorns in people's youknowahts. I am here to respond to threads when I know the answer -- because I care and would hate for families to be separated for longer than they have been. And in comes the King of Snotty.... berates, belittles, patronizes people. to this day, I still have to see him suspended/gone.

I think I speak for a bunch of us when we tell you --- the ####### is hitting the fan. We cannot stop it; since we cannot make the changes that are needed. Only you can.

Out for a Dr. Pepper and a ciggie now

It seems like even though I prefer this have been private the issue was made and action taken. Also as far as the local issues and having local mods then I agree.... I know you havenot see a a lot of acction but we now already have two Deputy mods with a 3rd already having been contacted (waiting to hear back). They next one will be for one of the upper forum areas. There is action but it is not instant -- it is happening though and I do listen -- I really do.

[rebeccajo 14]

edit for typo.. no letters left on my keyboard!

I'll send you ten dollahs for a new one.

[Captain Ewok 1,887]

Please PM if you think this topic should remain open. It has gotten very off topic but I think the root issue has been asked, evidence provide, evidence accepted, action taken. It is not the right thing to publicly call out or discipline a member (at least not my policy) and this has become that. I am not locking for any other reason than because this is OT and has been resolved. We can re-open under a specific topic if you prefer.

Anyhow, best wishes and happy holidays on the remaining holiday weekend to all .