Father slain in front of daughter after dog sniffs man's leg

[Heracles 417]

Can't think of anything original huh? Too bad your wife wear the pants in the family. Otherwise you could go home.

Dude relax, it will pass. Is the misses giving you a hard time because you promised money but never delivered?

Between you and me, I can loan you some cash. How much you need bud?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Can't think of anything original huh? Too bad your wife wear the pants in the family. Otherwise you could go home.

Dude relax, it will pass. Is the misses giving you a hard time because you promised money but never delivered?

Between you and me, I can loan you some cash. How much you need bud?

And on top of that, you're afraid of your wife. Your're here, she's in bed sleeping. Poor you.

[slim 1,525]

You don't seem to get the notion of first world.

No, I don't. Please elaborate.

if you did you would not imply their stats are flawed. Maybe you need to see the international corruption index.

So you're saying places like China and India report their homicide rates the same way AUS, the U.S., and Russia do?

Prior to moving here I lived in a city of four million. I can without a doubt say murders were extremely rare. Certainly not anywhere near the multiple shootings reported every second day in DC and PG county, MD (next door).

Well that doesn't make any sense, those places have more restrictive gun laws than AUS. Why are people still killing each other then?

Maybe you are right. I am sure (positive) there should be people from those countries here, in a visa forum, who can vouch for your opinion then. Correct me if I am wrong of course, that they too have as easy access to the same type of weapons as Americans.

Not nearly as easy as Americans. We can buy our weapons just about anywhere. There are a lot of hoops to jump through to legally own firearms in Russia.

[Heracles 417]

And on top of that, you're afraid of your wife. Your're here, she's in bed sleeping. Poor you.

Ever heard of using a netbook while chilling in bed? I'm a night owl, whereas the wife sleeps in 2 seconds flat. I have not slept before 1am since I was 14. Also communicating with the peeps back in Aus regarding the house plans; so I can finally move back.

Edited November 29, 2009 by Booyah!

[spookyturtle 9,465]

And on top of that, you're afraid of your wife. Your're here, she's in bed sleeping. Poor you.

Ever heard of using a netbook while chilling in bed? I'm a night owl, whereas the wife sleeps in 2 seconds flat. I have not slept before 1am since I was 14.

Right. Seven nights a week.

[Heracles 417]

You don't seem to get the notion of first world.

No, I don't. Please elaborate.

if you did you would not imply their stats are flawed. Maybe you need to see the international corruption index.

So you're saying places like China and India report their homicide rates the same way AUS, the U.S., and Russia do?

You are talking about 2nd and 3rd world counties. Having been to India, having a friend whose parent is a minister there, no way is the homicide rate any more than the US. Sorry dude but the gangsta murder attitude is now apart of American culture. Chilling and killing is the norm here. After all, that is who kills someone in cold blood because a dog sniffed them.

Prior to moving here I lived in a city of four million. I can without a doubt say murders were extremely rare. Certainly not anywhere near the multiple shootings reported every second day in DC and PG county, MD (next door).

Well that doesn't make any sense, those places have more restrictive gun laws than AUS. Why are people still killing each other then?

Um they simply stroll into Virginia and buy a gun from a private seller at a gun-show. Then again, with the millions of guns in circulation, they can easily get one on the streets. Take these sections of the US and plant them in the UK or Australia and I guarantee you their crime rates will drop.

Maybe you are right. I am sure (positive) there should be people from those countries here, in a visa forum, who can vouch for your opinion then. Correct me if I am wrong of course, that they too have as easy access to the same type of weapons as Americans.

Not nearly as easy as Americans. We can buy our weapons just about anywhere. There are a lot of hoops to jump through to legally own firearms in Russia.

No way. Wasn't even a citizen yet and I legally owned two semi-automatics. Not to mention, I have been to gun trade shows in Aus and you cannot buy anywhere near what you can purchase here. Not even close. Trade as in manufacturers only.

Edited November 29, 2009 by Booyah!

[Heracles 417]

And on top of that, you're afraid of your wife. Your're here, she's in bed sleeping. Poor you.

Ever heard of using a netbook while chilling in bed? I'm a night owl, whereas the wife sleeps in 2 seconds flat. I have not slept before 1am since I was 14.

Right. Seven nights a week.

First off, I don't need to explain anything to you, however, I do enjoy rolling you. Time difference for a start. I can only talk to folks there when it's nighttime here. Second of all, I work late and stay up late.

Edited November 29, 2009 by Booyah!

[spookyturtle 9,465]

And on top of that, you're afraid of your wife. Your're here, she's in bed sleeping. Poor you.

Ever heard of using a netbook while chilling in bed? I'm a night owl, whereas the wife sleeps in 2 seconds flat. I have not slept before 1am since I was 14.

Right. Seven nights a week.

First off, I don't need to explain anything to you, however, I do enjoy rolling you. Time difference for a start. I can only talk to folks there when it's nighttime here. Second of all, I work late and stay up late.

Look up rolling in the dictionary.

[slim 1,525]

You are talking about 2nd and 3rd world counties. Having been to India, having a friend whose parent is a minister there, no way is the homicide rate any more than the US. Sorry dude but the gangsta murder attitude is now apart of American culture. Chilling and killing is the norm here. After all, that is who kills someone in cold blood because a dog sniffed them.

So you're saying 2nd and 3rd world countries report their homicide data the same way other countries do? Also, how can a trip to India be indicative of the homicide rate? India's a pretty big place. That's like saying since you visited DC for a few days you know that everywhere in America there are multiple shootings in places where guns are banned.

Um they simply stroll into Virginia and buy a gun from a private seller at a gun-show. Then again, with the millions of guns in circulation, they can easily get one on the streets. Take these sections of the US and plant them in the UK or Australia and I guarantee you their crime rates will drop.

So it's the availability of arms that's making them kill each other, not the environment they live in? I don't understand why their crime rates would drop, after all, they didn't drop in AUS after guns were banned.

No way. Wasn't even a citizen yet and I legally owned two semi-automatics. Not to mention, I have been to gun trade shows in Aus and you cannot buy anywhere near what you can purchase here. Not even close. Trade as in manufacturers only.

So you bought two semi-autos and weren't even a citizen but yet, you commited no crimes (I'm assuming) - how is that possible? Shouldn't the availability of arms made you commit crimes just because of their very existence? You had TWO semi-autos in your possesion. Why didn't you go kill 32 people at a school? You could've, right? But yet, you didn't. Why is that?

[Heracles 417]

If you are going to go back to square one, you might as well answer me why no other first world country has a higher overall homicide rate then the United States of America. Yep none, Zilch, Nada. Yes, that includes stabbings and any other murder weapon.

While you are at it, show me one of these first world countries where people have access to weapons that are similar in power or as easy to acquire as is the case in the United States.

My empirical view of India is no less valid than your assumption that their homicide rate must be higher, that they are simply fudging the numbers or simply not reporting correctly. Clearly, when one thinks of Indians, ghetto gangstas and the Mafia comes to mind.

Edited November 29, 2009 by Booyah!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

To trust Indian official reporting of violent crime rates is silly. There are huge swaths of India where violent crime is extremely widespread. The risks of going into these places is well known to most in India, even if it isn't to people in the West.

[slim 1,525]

If you are going to go back to square one, you might as well answer me why no other first world country has a higher overall homicide rate then the United States of America.

Because no other "1st world" country has such a disparity between it's classes of citizens. No other country forces their poor to be quarantined into zones where they're paid to do nothing but multiply. Also, show me a first world country where the population is anywhere near that of ours. We have more people on the dole than in all of AUS. You don't think that has anything to do with it?

I haven't answered this question directly the multiple times you've posted it because I was hoping, somewhere along the line, that you'd be able to connect the dots. Even you've noted "that demographic" tends to kill each other a whole lot more than the whole. And by "that demographic" I'm not just limiting it to race, I'll include the others from a "less than priviledged" background.

But let me flip this for you - the U.S. has ALWAYS had a higher homicide rate and we have a whole bunch of guns. Yet AUS, when they started taking away guns, didn't reduce their homicide rate in proportion to what should've been the reduction in firearms homicides. Why not?

Yep none, Zilch, Nada. Yes, that includes stabbings and any other murder weapon.

Yep, the U.S. is king in murder rates among your so-called "1st world" countries. But, then again, there's absolutely zero chance of things like genocide, outside invasion, folks being stripped of individual rights, etc., from ever happening. In AUS, not so much. You folks are already willingly waiving those rights.

While you are at it, show me one of these first world countries weer people have access to weapons that are similar in power or as easy to acquire as is the case in the United States.

NZ. Not too much higher than AUS.

My empirical view of India is no less valid than your assumption that their homicide rate must be higher, or that they are simply suppressing it or not reporting correctly. Clearly, when one thinks of Indians they thing of ganstas and the Mafia.

It's not an illogical assumption to make that places where there's no electricity or running water really place a high level of concern on things like homicide reporting data. It's also not illogical to assume that places where there are neighborhoods of literally MILLIONS of folks living in abject poverty that any police data is recorded at all. All of that is supported by the fact that your own link only included two years of data on India. Why weren't there more years reported? Inconsistency? No!

[Heracles 417]

To trust Indian official reporting of violent crime rates is silly. There are huge swaths of India where violent crime is extremely widespread. The risks of going into these places is well known to most in India, even if it isn't to people in the West.

Not denying it. However, India is not a first or even second world country but a third world country, therefore, such results are expected. I also highly doubt India's homicide rate is anywhere near as high as the United States. Not one Indian I know, know of, have even seen is the violent shot-em-up type.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I also highly doubt India's homicide rate is anywhere near as high as the United States.

No reliable data exists because in most parts of India there is no reliable reporting. Unlike most people of Indian ancestry living in the West, my family is from the economically backward small towns, with us being rural up to 2 generations ago. What an Indian from a big city (my wife being a good example) knows bears no resemblance whatsoever to what's happening in rural and small town India. And India is still a primarily rural/small-town nation. There is plenty of crime, there is no reporting and therefore, no reliable data exists.

Now, if you were to say that the homicide rate of Washington DC exceeds that of New Delhi, I'd say that's very plausible.

Edited November 29, 2009 by w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r

[Heracles 417]

Because no other "1st world" country has such a disparity between it's classes of citizens. No other country forces their poor to be quarantined into zones where they're paid to do nothing but multiply. Also, show me a first world country where the population is anywhere near that of ours. We have more people on the dole than in all of AUS. You don't think that has anything to do with it?

I haven't answered this question directly the multiple times you've posted it because I was hoping, somewhere along the line, that you'd be able to connect the dots. Even you've noted "that demographic" tends to kill each other a whole lot more than the whole. And by "that demographic" I'm not just limiting it to race, I'll include the others from a "less than priviledged" background.

But let me flip this for you - the U.S. has ALWAYS had a higher homicide rate and we have a whole bunch of guns. Yet AUS, when they started taking away guns, didn't reduce their homicide rate in proportion to what should've been the reduction in firearms homicides. Why not?

Australia's homicide rate by means of firearms was already at 0.29 per 100,000. Therefore, not exactly much room to move anyway. So yes, coming from 0.29, a drop by 0.2 is bloody huge.

"such a disparity" was is not you who was just bashing welfare in another thread? Who is forcing who where exactly? Paid to do nothing hey. Paid what? Slim come on, this is the one country that people beat on about freedom (choice) 24/7. Now you claim people are being quarantined and basically manipulated. Much in the same way the criminal in this thread choose to kill another in cold blood, it's all about personal choice here.

Actually the list at post 200 does factor in population. Hence it being per capita.

Yep, the U.S. is king in murder rates among your so-called "1st world" countries. But, then again, there's absolutely zero chance of things like genocide, outside invasion, folks being stripped of individual rights, etc., from ever happening. In AUS, not so much. You folks are already willingly waiving those rights.

A diagram of first world countries has been posted in another thread for you to review.

While you are at it, show me one of these first world countries weer people have access to weapons that are similar in power or as easy to acquire as is the case in the United States.

NZ. Not too much higher than AUS.

Is this based on your years in NZ? Or some sort of spook equivalent gunowners.org site.

Edited November 29, 2009 by Booyah!