Teacher under fire for his Cheney-9/11 theory

[Heracles 417]

Does this mean to say that England has roundly done away with the contraction "you+are=you're" and has just abbreviated them all to the possessive "your"? Or that the spelling of the word "where" is different? If so, I stand corrected. However, I'm, shall we say, skeptical.

Why do you have to attack people Play nice

Because that is what people like him focus on. It's the democrat way. Personal attacks and BS conspiracy theories is all they have..

Maybe he should focus on his $2 mailorder bride instead..

Edited July 22, 2006 by Infidel

[Alex+R 0]

Does this mean to say that England has roundly done away with the contraction "you+are=you're" and has just abbreviated them all to the possessive "your"? Or that the spelling of the word "where" is different? If so, I stand corrected. However, I'm, shall we say, skeptical.

Why do you have to attack people Play nice

Because that is what people like him focus on. It's the democrat way. Personal attacks and BS conspiracy theories is all they have..

Maybe he focus on his $2 mailorder bride instead..

That was incredibly uncalled for. First of all, I'm a girl, and I've just come back from living with my boyfriend for a year (although that is really none of your business). I was just responding to your attack. I'm going outside.

[Heracles 417]

That was incredibly uncalled for. First of all, I'm a girl, and I've just come back from living with my boyfriend for a year (although that is really none of your business). I was just responding to your attack. I'm going outside.

Just proved one of my long standing views on democrats. You started with a personal attack and the second someone fires one back you get offended..

This is a site in relation to the topic:

Conspiracy Fact & Fiction

[Fischkoepfin 1]

That was incredibly uncalled for. First of all, I'm a girl, and I've just come back from living with my boyfriend for a year (although that is really none of your business). I was just responding to your attack. I'm going outside.

Just proved one of my long standing views on democrats. You started with a personal attack and the second someone fires one back you get offended..

Without playing the blame game, it seems to me that if anyone here you started the personal attacks by bringing in Democrats and slandering them. And you did it not only once but several times instead of addressing the arguments presented above.

Alex+R's attack on your grammar might have been uncalled for but it was a way to respond to your insulting claims that didn't focus on the insults but was personal in a similar way.

QUOTE(Infidel @ Jul 22 2006, 12:43 PM)

Especially in a country like the US were democrats have absolutely no loyalty to the country and try to screw it over any chance they get..

Hey, we have a large amount of people with left wing views in Australia but at least they don't believe in taking down the country like US democrats do...

Just so you know, I'm not a Democrat and have my own issues with many of their positions, but to blame them as a group for everything is just plain ridiculous and mean. It's another conspiracy theory that flourishes today and is often used by so-called conservatives to discredit any opposing point of view.

[Fuzzness 2]

Not really. Being an engineer I know that most of those poles are designed to break if a car hits them, preventing people from being killed by them. A plane travelling at such a high speed would easily take them out..

I never said they wouldn't. I said that the poles would clip the wings right off the airplane. I never said the poles wouldn't be taken out.

people like me are not in the minority anymore ... there is a definite shift in thought processes. the government can only keep things covered up for so long ...

ok right.. yeah your on to it.. where do you live so this so-called "hidden special-opps team" causing all of these catastrophes can track you down??

If there was such a team, common sense would prevail and at least one person would have spilled the beans about it. Especially in a country like the US were democrats have absolutely no loyalty to the country and try to screw it over any chance they get..

Hey, we have a large amount of people with left wing views in Australia but at least they don't believe in taking down the country like US democrats do...

How do they have no loyalty to the country and how are they trying to screw it over? All I see is them fighting to have a better country for us all, and if that means criticizing the current administration, they are well within their rights to do so. You know what you call a country where you are not allowed to criticize your own govt? Sounds an aweful lot like a dictatorship don't it?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Sidenote: Please review the difference between "where" and "were" as well as "your" and "you're". . .I swear I can't take it anymore.

Heads up. maybe you should check out the difference in grammar between the english and US system before criticising someone else's grammar. That is, considering this is a visa forum where people chat from around the world..

Does this mean to say that England has roundly done away with the contraction "you+are=you're" and has just abbreviated them all to the possessive "your"? Or that the spelling of the word "where" is different? If so, I stand corrected. However, I'm, shall we say, skeptical.

[Artegal 1]

So bad grammar and not islamic terrorist caused 9/11?

[gimygirl 0]

So bad grammar and not islamic terrorist caused 9/11?

don't i feel silly now!!

[Alex+R 0]

Yes that's exactly what happened.

[PsychoKat 0]

people like me are not in the minority anymore ... there is a definite shift in thought processes. the government can only keep things covered up for so long ...

ok right.. yeah your on to it.. where do you live so this so-called "hidden special-opps team" causing all of these catastrophes can track you down??

If there was such a team, common sense would prevail and at least one person would have spilled the beans about it. Especially in a country like the US were democrats have absolutely no loyalty to the country and try to screw it over any chance they get..

Hey, we have a large amount of people with left wing views in Australia but at least they don't believe in taking down the country like US democrats do...

In regards to your opinion of democrats I have something to say. First though note the similarities between the loyalty statement and the comment about insulting our flag and troops in the "How Conservatives and Liberals argue" thread and some observations I've made in forming my opinion.

When it comes to discussing politically based issues such as questioning or disagreeing with the actions of our government, questioning or disagreeing with our president or discussing conspiracy theories related to our government, you can bet money that this type of sentiment will arise in the course of the conversation.

Often you will find that those expressing this sentiment view themselves as Conservative or Republican. They tend to label those questioning or disagreeing with the actions of our government as liberal or here Democrat, and generally view those questioning or disagreeing with our government, as showing anti-american sentiment, accuse them of being unpatriotic or here disloyal, and even consider them to be destructive to our country and what it was built on.

Now for what I have to say about this...

When I see this type of sentiment expressed, I can't help but roll my eyes and shake my head in disbelief at the twisted irony and absurdity of it. The belief that questioning or disagreeing with our government is anti-american or unpatriotic and destructive, and that blindly accepting and supporting the actions of our government constitutes a patriotic, loyal and proud american, protecting the values this country was built on, is in fact directly opposite of the views expressed by our founding fathers as set forth in the "Declaration of Independance".

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

Based on the text of this document, set forth by this country's founding fathers, questioning our government, holding our government accountable for their actions, and even impeaching members there of for not upholding our constitution and values this country was built on is in fact our patriotic duty. Which would then indicate that, blindly supporting and accepting all actions of our government without question, is unpatriotic, and potentially destructive to what this country was built on and fought for.

If questioning the actions of our government, criticizing those actions if I feel they are not in keeping with the best interests of the people of our country, and critically examining all information available and openly consider any and all possibilities when questions are raised regarding the validity of information our government has given us, or motives behind their actions, is considered liberal or a democrat, then I'll proudly wear that label if you like. Not doing so would be unpatriotic and potentially destructive to our way of life. Allowing our government to go unquestioned, not holding them accountable to the people and the constitution would in effect be handing the rule of our country over to despotism.

[Artegal 1]

Ah the founding fathers--these are the same fathers that considered women unfit to vote, displaced millions of native americans, and considered slaves to be 1/3 of a human.

[Artegal 1]

9/11 Victim Compensation Fund Releases Final Totals

The final numbers are in Wednesday (JUNE 23, 2004), and the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund says it has authorized payouts to more than 5,000 people totaling almost $7 billion.

About 98 percent of eligible victim's families filed claims, forfeiting the right to file any lawsuits related to the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center. The fund closed just a week ago.

The average payout for a death claim is about $2 million, ranging from $250,000 to over $7 million.

More than 2,800 injury claims will also be paid out, mostly to rescue workers. Those payouts range from $500 to $8.6 million.

7 billion dollars of hush money. Seems very excessive the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund--when you consider all the other tragic murders, accidents, and other causes of death and injury in this land. I would say that this level of unprecedented bribe payments is probably the best evidence that a conspiracy may exist.

Edited July 23, 2006 by Artegal

[yabasta 0]

It is about time i added my thoughts on this topic. I am comign in late because i have this big move to plan. I am coming to america so you have been warned.

Where is the correct English in England for the record and i don`t see how correcting grammar is an attack really. If people correct my grammar or spelling i am grateful to them unless they do it in a Condescending manner.

As for the topic it is a shame that this issue has to become the same BS that passes for political debate in the modern world. Democrat or Republican right? What a sad state of affairs that so many people still box themselves into a one sided view of the world.

9/11 was not a crime of left or right. The so called conspiracy theorists(who actually make valid arguments and are therefore wronged when called names) are not all democrats or Republicans and many of them do not fit into your stereotypes.

The argument that a person is a kook or a crank or a nut or that now famous debating tool "image of crazy hat guy" is just the weakest attempt at painting a negative picture of the people making the points. Argue the points if you have anything to argue. I am all for debating this topic but a lot of you do not have that ability it would seem. It is like trying to debate with a FOX news wanker......erm....anchor.

I have never met a teacher or education system that did not give a particular slant to the teachings of history or anything else. In school in England for example we were taught that World War one was started because of the death of one man. We are taught a version of the truth and the more that people are taught to think rather than taught what to think the better.

For the record i am not a conspiracy theorist as i do not buy such crazy theories as the Warren Commission Report or the 9/11 Commission Report. I say look at evidence and follow the money. Study 9/11 and look at all evidence that is available. Bring a pinch of salt as there is plenty of misinformation and disinformation out there.

So if anybody wishes to name call or post the stale old crazy man pictures go right ahead but you only make yourselves look idiotic.

[PsychoKat 0]

Ah the founding fathers--these are the same fathers that considered women unfit to vote, displaced millions of native americans, and considered slaves to be 1/3 of a human.

Yep. And if people through time blindly accepted without question the actions and laws imposed by the laws of the governments at the time, women still would not be allowed to vote, it would still be legal and common place for people to keep slaves and well two out of 3 isn't too bad, although the native americans were never given back what they lost eventually in some cases people took stands to protect the treaties that were set down to keep them from basically being anhiliated.

I never said I considered them perfect, but when I see people calling those who question our government unpatriotic, or even going so far as to tell others "If you don't like it then leave" while considering blind unquestioning acceptance as patriotic and keeping with the values this country was founded on it boggles my brain. We might not agree with all the values they held then, but they not only gave us the right, they made it our responsibility to question, and change what we felt was harmful and destructive to our lives, liberty and persuit of happiness, and to do otherwise is in fact unpatriotic.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Ah the founding fathers--these are the same fathers that considered women unfit to vote, displaced millions of native americans, and considered slaves to be 1/3 of a human.

None of these decisions was made without encountering opposition from one side or the other, and at the time of the Declaration of Independence it wasn't clear whether any of these policies would actually be in place in the new nation. Not only was including women in politics a point of discussion, but the abolition of slavery was a major point on the agenda. The displacement of Native Americans is a much later policy and resulted from a perceived failure of previous policy (or rather the pressure of states to claim and sell lands belonging to Native Nations).

However, the union of states was and still is based on compromise and it is through a constant questioning of the status quo and of so-called dearly held opinions that the country grows and changes. Of course the founding fathers weren't perfect, but unlike their descendants, they did not think they were. They also at no point thought the nation they founded was perfect as many of the founding fathers expressed time and again.

Edited July 23, 2006 by Fischkoepfin