libs don't want section 8 homes in their neighborhood

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I'm not a poor black criminal, why would I live in section 8? And only one here proclaims his toughness on a daily basis. I wonder who that is?

Hey I am not the one 'claiming' they are all good honest people in section 8. You are! So why not walk the talk and live with them.

Actually I am the only one here who has a fax, received by mistake at my NY fax number, sent to section 8 housing in Jersey, that talks about multiple assault and violence being the reason for being kicked out of the previous section 8. "Didz nuthin wrang"

I didn't say they were all good, I said they weren't all bad. You said they were all black hispanic criminals.

[Heracles 417]

I didn't say they were all good, I said they weren't all bad. You said they were all black hispanic criminals.

Correction. You made it up that I said that.

Even a simple search shows that the only time I have used those three words in this forum is as follows: (interesting read considering this thread)

Your assumption that we are are all the same is what blinds you. Humans are culturally different on many levels. Violence is much more acceptable in some cultures than others. It is also a product of ones environment. To pretend this is not the case is naive. To pretend that someone Japanese has the same attitude towards violence as an Australian for example is just ludicrous.

For someone to sit here and deny that 'minorities' from low socioeconomic backgrounds do not represent a large percentage of criminals in America is just moronic. Like many with similar views to that of your own, I am assuming that you don't live in a ghetto or anywhere near those you staunchly defend.

Statistics are not racist. Neither is the news. When I read a months worth of local news and see that 99% of criminals and murders involved black or Hispanic Americans, it is safe to assume that if one comes in contact with these groups they should avoid them. You want to go into a ghetto and walk by a group of minorities just to be PC, you go right ahead.

Edited November 28, 2009 by Booyah!

[Danno 1,228]

There are more people on Section 8 in the United States than the whole population of Australia.

Government programs by nature only grow and find new ways to serve the "clients".

Is there even one social program which has solved the problem... or even reduced it to a substantial level?

Of course fraud is a whole nuther angle.

In my city someone started checking the free lunch program and they were finding 60% of cases did not qualify.

So what did they do?

They found a legal reason to stop checking..... remember all that government funding is often tied to numbers in those programs.

To reduce the number of "clients" would reduce federal dollars coming into the school system under a whole host of "poverty" programs.

[Heracles 417]

I'll throw another wrench in the works, how about the reality that some people just don't want to work, get a job, or get a college education. I know of those who have trouble hiring folk from those areas, as they don't want to work. Or demand exorbitant salaries while doing nothing.

[slim 1,533]

I'll throw another wrench in the works, how about the reality that some people just don't want to work, get a job, or get a college education. I know of those who have trouble hiring folk from those areas, as they don't want to work. Or demand exorbitant salaries while doing nothing.

Yeah, I'm wondering what those people would do if we weren't nice enough to pay their rent and buy them food.

[Heracles 417]

I'll throw another wrench in the works, how about the reality that some people just don't want to work, get a job, or get a college education. I know of those who have trouble hiring folk from those areas, as they don't want to work. Or demand exorbitant salaries while doing nothing.

Yeah, I'm wondering what those people would do if we weren't nice enough to pay their rent and buy them food.

Hey I am not joking either. I have heard this from a number of people that run businesses or are managers. That they have problems trying to hire people or even fill apprenticeships. Then the ones they do hire can have a bad attitude towards authority, will skip work and usually demand they be paid more, even though they slack off the most. Naturally, I asked is this race oriented and to my surprise all have said no; that its the same across the board.

So maybe you guys are right. Maybe these people now have this entitlement attitude towards things. Which is interesting considering that they hardly get anything for welfare. I have also heard that others simply have the attitude that drug money is better anyway, therefore, they're not interested in working 'legit' jobs.

There are legitimate people in need, unfortunately the above gives these guys a bad reputation too. As a result, good honest people who have fallen on bad times are left to rot and suffer. Which is why us Australians would rather have a scammer initially get something for free every now and then, than penalize everyone and fail to provide assistance to those who deserve a chance. Rest assured, as you can see with the knife laws, Australia is not America. We were convicts after all, know the tricks, so it's hard for people to scam us. Those who are caught working the system are punished. Australians also don't have a problem reporting (dobbing on) those working the welfare system.

Edited November 29, 2009 by Booyah!

[slim 1,533]

Australians also don't have a problem reporting (dobbing on) those working the welfare system.

So they've taken most of the guns away, let the police strip-search without probable cause and people report on each other?

You guys are well on the way to utopia, that's for sure!

[Heracles 417]

Australians also don't have a problem reporting (dobbing on) those working the welfare system.

So they've taken most of the guns away, let the police strip-search without probable cause and people report on each other?

You guys are well on the way to utopia, that's for sure!

World recognized too actually.

We have a totally different attitude in life.

• You guys mistrust the government, we don't; as the people voted the party in.
• You guys base decisions on whether it is Constitutional or not, we don't. We prefer to use sound logic. Aka problem with people being stabbed is dealt accordingly. A life is more important than a punk azz teenagers rights.
• You guys mistrust authority, we empower them to do their job.
• You guys allow people to sue for frivolous reasons, which ends up costing you too, we don't.
• You guys have the concept of a 'snitch', we don't. Furthermore, we detest anyone working the generous welfare system.

I have seen both systems in action now, lived them both. In my opinion, I take the Aus / Euro / Canadian etc way of doing things any day.

Edited November 29, 2009 by Booyah!

[slim 1,533]

AUS system sounds a lot like China's before they had 3 Billion people. You guys are well on your way there. Keep up the good work!

[Heracles 417]

AUS system sounds a lot like China's before they had 3 Billion people. You guys are well on your way there. Keep up the good work!

You have missed a lot. In Particular my quoting of various international rankings which directly compare the two nations. In almost every ranking, Australia is not only ranked higher but is actually moving up the ranks, all while the US is falling.

This is my favourite:

The Human Development Index (HDI) is an index used to rank countries by level of "human development", which usually also implies whether a country is developed, developing, or underdeveloped.

AUS: 2nd in the world

US: 13th

Any good? Or do you prefer financial wise?

The Legatum Prosperity Index is an annual ranking developed by the Legatum Institute of 104 countries, according to a variety of factors including wealth, economic growth, personal wellbeing, and quality of life.

AUS: 1st in the world

US: 6th

Ah... you prefer freedom

The Democracy Index is an index compiled by The Economist examining the state of democracy in 167 countries, attempting to quantify this with an Economist Intelligence Unit Index of Democracy which focused on five general categories: electoral process and pluralism, civil liberties, functioning of government, political participation and political culture.

AUS: 10th in the world

US: 18th

Nah you prefer to know the need to form a militia, just in case a government fails right? Can't be too careful hey..

This is a list of countries by order of appearance in the Fund For Peace's Failed States Index. A failed state has several attributes. Common indicators include a state whose central government is so weak or ineffective that it has little practical control over much of its territory; non-provision of public services; widespread corruption and criminality; refugees and involuntary movement of populations; sharp economic decline.

AUS: 170 ~ 7th last

US: 159

Edited November 29, 2009 by Booyah!

[slim 1,533]

You have missed a lot. In Particular my quoting of various international rankings which directly compare the two nations. In almost every ranking, Australia is not only ranked higher but is actually moving up the ranks, all while the US is falling.

Nazi Germany ranked pretty high in all those indexes in the '30s. You should check out how well they fared. Many of their citizens gave up their arms so they could move up in those rankings. Sounds like AUS is doing the exact same thing.

[Heracles 417]

You have missed a lot. In Particular my quoting of various international rankings which directly compare the two nations. In almost every ranking, Australia is not only ranked higher but is actually moving up the ranks, all while the US is falling.

Nazi Germany ranked pretty high in all those indexes in the '30s. You should check out how well they fared. Many of their citizens gave up their arms so they could move up in those rankings. Sounds like AUS is doing the exact same thing.

Didn't exist back then. All of those ranking are from 2009

Clearly in your mind, unlike the gun owners in America, the rest of the developed world is stupid.

[slim 1,533]

Didn't exist back then. All of those ranking are from 2009

Clearly in your mind, unlike the gun owners in America, the rest of the developed world is stupid.

And I'm the one that's stupid!