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I know that there are dual US citizens with other countries - I am one - a dual Canadian and American citizen - but the US does not recognize my Canadian citizenship. As far as the US is concerned I am no longer a Canadian and only an American citizen - officially, the other doesn't count anymore. I am not allowed to use my Canadian passport to enter the US although I am allowed to use my US passport to enter Canada. Canada recognizes both my citizenships; the US only recognizes my American citizenship. The US basically turns a blind eye to dual citizenship not because they accept it but because legally there is nothing they can do about it. So, while there are dual American and other country citizens the US does not recognize the individual as being a citizen of the other country anymore - only the US; they don't accept it - they just pretend it isn't there.

Interesting! So, once I get a US passport, if I were to come back from a trip and tried to use my Canadian or European passport, they would refuse me entry if I couldnt show my US passport?

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They could. If you are an American citizen you have a right to live in the US. If you are entering as the citizen of another country you have no rights to live in the US unless you can show that you have a visa to visit, work or study or a permanent resident card to show you are entitled to live here. You may well be denied entry - or you may be given a very hard time at the border. I will have to check but I believe it is now a law that US citizens must present a US passport when returning to the States. I know US citizens do have to show a passport before they are allowed to re-enter the US.

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Dumb question that doesn't warrant its own thread: can an American Permanent Resident get a passport in addition to his Green Card?

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Dumb question that doesn't warrant its own thread: can an American Permanent Resident get a passport in addition to his Green Card?

Passports are only issued to citizens.

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Dumb question that doesn't warrant its own thread: can an American Permanent Resident get a passport in addition to his Green Card?

Passports are only issued to citizens.

Ah. All the more reason to become a citizen then.

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I know that there are dual US citizens with other countries - I am one - a dual Canadian and American citizen - but the US does not recognize my Canadian citizenship. As far as the US is concerned I am no longer a Canadian and only an American citizen - officially, the other doesn't count anymore. I am not allowed to use my Canadian passport to enter the US although I am allowed to use my US passport to enter Canada. Canada recognizes both my citizenships; the US only recognizes my American citizenship. The US basically turns a blind eye to dual citizenship not because they accept it but because legally there is nothing they can do about it. They know there are Americans who have citizenship with other countries but as far as the US is concerned their citizenship is American. The US doesn't recognize them officially as citizens of the other country although they realize that the individual does have divided loyalties and allegiance - they just basically pretend it isn't there by not addressing the issue.

Is it not a case that if you keep your original citizenship after swearing under oath to renounce it the US could take back your citizenship and deport you?

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Is it not a case that if you keep your original citizenship after swearing under oath to renounce it the US could take back your citizenship and deport you?

No. :)

I thought that lying under oath would be considered a huge crime in the US. I'm just asking cos I intend to eventually apply for citizenship but I'm not giving up my UK citizenship so swearing to renounce my country while having no intention of doing it worries me. Sorry to crash your Canadian thread!

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I thought that lying under oath would be considered a huge crime in the US. I'm just asking cos I intend to eventually apply for citizenship but I'm not giving up my UK citizenship so swearing to renounce my country while having no intention of doing it worries me. Sorry to crash your Canadian thread!

Not a problem. We like visitors. :)

I think there's a thread on the moral dilemma of this. I'll see if I can find it.

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That was a very interesting thread, Krikit...thanks for the link!

I'm really not sure whether I will or won't become a citizen, purely on the basis of that oath. I'm quite a moral guy, never lie, and take all the words of an oath very seriously. At this point, I don't know if I could, in good conscience, verbally renounce my Canadian citizenship.

Ah well. I've got three+ years to think about it!

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I wont go into detail, but some of us have no choice in becoming a US citizen, and will leave it at that. At work when my pts find out I'm Cdn they always ask if I wil become a USA citizen--which I already have become. But I poitley tel them I'm 100% cdn, lol and they understand. No different if they were to move to Canada, I would guess many would still consider themselves to be American. Politicians fib all the time, so i dont loose any sleep about in the oath stating about renouncing my Previous (Cdn) citizenships! My Cdn socks that i wore protected me,lol

Canadians Visiting the USA while undergoing the visa process, my free advice:

1) Always tell the TRUTH. never lie to the POE officer

2) Be confident in ur replies

3) keep ur response short and to the point, don't tell ur life story!!

4) look the POE officer in the eye when speaking to them. They are looking for people lieing and have been trained to find them!

5) Pack light! No job resumes with you

6) Bring ties to Canada (letter from employer when ur expected back at work, lease, etc etc)

7) Always be polite, being rude isn't going to get ya anywhere, and could make things worse!!

8) Have a plan in case u do get denied (be polite) It wont harm ur visa application if ur denied,that is if ur polite and didn't lie! Refer to #1

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Thank you. You Canadians are such nice folk. I have so far spent one night in Canada but I didn't manage to see it all! :lol:

I don't have a problem with the moral issue. It's the legal implications that worry me. I will say the words but not mean them. I am Scottish through and through I love my country and my heart would never renounce it! I don't have a problem with the rest of the oath. I will defend the United States etc etc. I'll just do it with a Scottish heart and a British passport!

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