A long awaited day

[natty bumppo 297]

Don't know what the heck you guys mean koolaid people are. I love to label the opposing as laymen.

there are 10 types of people ... those that get it and those that don't ... it's obvious which one you are ....

[scandal 951]

Don't know what the heck you guys mean koolaid people are. I love to label the opposing as laymen.

there are 10 types of people ... those that get it and those that don't ... it's obvious which one you are ....

I wonder how many of those who in today's popular political culture use the phrase "koolaid" actually remember where the phrase originated from ?

[SuperDuper! 230]

[Niels Bohr 72]

Koolaid

I don't even think you understand the basic concept of Logical Thinking (Philosophy 201).

Don't know what the heck you guys mean koolaid people are. I love to label the opposing as laymen.

there are 10 types of people ... those that get it and those that don't ... it's obvious which one you are ....

Edited November 23, 2009 by Niels Bohr

[SMR 368]

Most economic indicators have dropped despite (or because of) Obama's flurry of activity. Unemployment continues to dog this administration but wouldn't know it by the news. Obama mortgage mitigation efforts are tiny compared to his promises. The stimulus package stimulated very little and most Americans still believe the unemployed are somehow building roads.

To be fair, Obama had no qualifications in business or economics nor any experience in making executive decisions. We got what we deserved and millions of people will pay the price. If he couldn't fix Bush's problems, he shouldn't have run for the office. Nobody is going to want to hear that line in 2012 and I'm sure 2010 is going to be a real wakeup call for the party in power.

For the umpteenth time - Obama has embraced Keynesian Economics. Although you may find your token Right-leaning economists who are critical of such economic philosophy, most prominent economists are in Obama's corner on this...even Reagan had some Keynesian economists working for him. Most of the criticism from the Right over his economic policies are political hacks and not economists.

As for his knowledge of economics - I'm willing to bet he's got a much better grasp on economics than Bush could ever hope to, or even McCain. Reagan was no scholar on economics either, but what presidents do is surround themselves with economists who are...or at least we hope they do.

This is a repeat of the unfounded claims of the campaign when the media repeated claims that Obama had/has an economic background. But Obama hadn't done, and still hasn't done, anything to prove even a basic understanding of economics. He had never managed anything, studied economics, or run any sort of business or organization. The extent of Obamanomics has been that increasing government spending will revive the economy regardless of what it is spent on. That is the only conclusion that can be made after he signed a $787 Billion stimulus that he hadn't read (when we discovered that the stimulus covered AIG bonuses, there didn't seem to be anyone in Washington that claimed to have read and understood the stimulus cover to cover other).

BTW, Obama is down to 48 on Gallup.

Edited November 23, 2009 by SMR

[natty bumppo 297]

Koolaid

I don't even think you understand the basic concept of Logical Thinking (Philosophy 201).

Don't know what the heck you guys mean koolaid people are. I love to label the opposing as laymen.

there are 10 types of people ... those that get it and those that don't ... it's obvious which one you are ....

guess I gotta release and re-bait hook ....

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Kanye needs to interrup this thread...

Imma gonna let you all finish...

but...

Hmm, kanye reference is pretty stale at this point. no one but you is talking about him.

And you're the only one whining about it.

your default answer when you've got nothing.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Most economic indicators have dropped despite (or because of) Obama's flurry of activity.

Really? Is that what Glenn Beck professes? Or Rush? How about taking information from people that actually understand the matter?

Released: Thursday, November 19, 2009

The Conference Board Leading Economic Index™ (LEI) for the U.S. increased 0.3 percent in October, following a 1.0 percent gain in September, and a 0.4 percent rise in August.

Says Ataman Ozyildirim, Economist at The Conference Board: “After half a year of consecutive increases, the month-to-month growth of the LEI is stabilizing and the gains continue to be broad-based. Meanwhile, the coincident economic index has been essentially flat since June, after declining since November 2007. The composite indexes suggest the recovery is unfolding and economic activity should continue improving in the near term.”

Says Ken Goldstein, Economist at The Conference Board: “The data indicates that economic recovery is finally setting in. We can expect slow growth through the first half of 2010. The pace of growth, however, will depend critically on how much demand picks up, and how soon.”

[one...two...tree 2,762]

This is a repeat of the unfounded claims of the campaign when the media repeated claims that Obama had/has an economic background. But Obama hadn't done, and still hasn't done, anything to prove even a basic understanding of economics. He had never managed anything, studied economics, or run any sort of business or organization. The extent of Obamanomics has been that increasing government spending will revive the economy regardless of what it is spent on. That is the only conclusion that can be made after he signed a $787 Billion stimulus that he hadn't read (when we discovered that the stimulus covered AIG bonuses, there didn't seem to be anyone in Washington that claimed to have read and understood the stimulus cover to cover other).

Well them pesky economists need to listen to you instead of their own expertise.

Don't let facts get in the way of your argument...

Top Economists Overwhelmingly Favor Obama Plan: 80% Say He Has Better Grasp of Economics

The Economist magazine surveyed members of the prestigious National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) and responders overwhelmingly think Obama far surpasses McCain in his grasp of economics and think Obama's plan is superior. (h/t to Freakonomics). These numbers are truly staggering! Sorry Marty! (former head of NBER and McCain supporter)

As with the Scott Adams poll, economists overwhelmingly choose to self-identify as Democrats and support Obama. This is no fluke and NBER is the cream of the crop.

(By the way, apparently the Economist is one of Palin's faves!)

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Most economic indicators have dropped despite (or because of) Obama's flurry of activity.

Really? Is that what Glenn Beck professes? Or Rush? How about taking information from people that actually understand the matter?

Released: Thursday, November 19, 2009

The Conference Board Leading Economic Index™ (LEI) for the U.S. increased 0.3 percent in October, following a 1.0 percent gain in September, and a 0.4 percent rise in August.

Says Ataman Ozyildirim, Economist at The Conference Board: “After half a year of consecutive increases, the month-to-month growth of the LEI is stabilizing and the gains continue to be broad-based. Meanwhile, the coincident economic index has been essentially flat since June, after declining since November 2007. The composite indexes suggest the recovery is unfolding and economic activity should continue improving in the near term.”

Says Ken Goldstein, Economist at The Conference Board: “The data indicates that economic recovery is finally setting in. We can expect slow growth through the first half of 2010. The pace of growth, however, will depend critically on how much demand picks up, and how soon.”

The G economy grew. Government...

Meanwhile, people are still unemployed and losing their jobs nationwide. "ohhh but it would have been sooo much worse" of course, thats not provable.

This is a repeat of the unfounded claims of the campaign when the media repeated claims that Obama had/has an economic background. But Obama hadn't done, and still hasn't done, anything to prove even a basic understanding of economics. He had never managed anything, studied economics, or run any sort of business or organization. The extent of Obamanomics has been that increasing government spending will revive the economy regardless of what it is spent on. That is the only conclusion that can be made after he signed a $787 Billion stimulus that he hadn't read (when we discovered that the stimulus covered AIG bonuses, there didn't seem to be anyone in Washington that claimed to have read and understood the stimulus cover to cover other).

Well them pesky economists need to listen to you instead of their own expertise.

Don't let facts get in the way of your argument...

Top Economists Overwhelmingly Favor Obama Plan: 80% Say He Has Better Grasp of Economics

The Economist magazine surveyed members of the prestigious National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) and responders overwhelmingly think Obama far surpasses McCain in his grasp of economics and think Obama's plan is superior. (h/t to Freakonomics). These numbers are truly staggering! Sorry Marty! (former head of NBER and McCain supporter)

As with the Scott Adams poll, economists overwhelmingly choose to self-identify as Democrats and support Obama. This is no fluke and NBER is the cream of the crop.

(By the way, apparently the Economist is one of Palin's faves!)

Good job posting a poll of democrat economists who would of course agree with Obama. This is a joke Steven, even for you.

[SMR 368]

This is a repeat of the unfounded claims of the campaign when the media repeated claims that Obama had/has an economic background. But Obama hadn't done, and still hasn't done, anything to prove even a basic understanding of economics. He had never managed anything, studied economics, or run any sort of business or organization. The extent of Obamanomics has been that increasing government spending will revive the economy regardless of what it is spent on. That is the only conclusion that can be made after he signed a $787 Billion stimulus that he hadn't read (when we discovered that the stimulus covered AIG bonuses, there didn't seem to be anyone in Washington that claimed to have read and understood the stimulus cover to cover other).

Well them pesky economists need to listen to you instead of their own expertise.

Don't let facts get in the way of your argument...

Top Economists Overwhelmingly Favor Obama Plan: 80% Say He Has Better Grasp of Economics

The Economist magazine surveyed members of the prestigious National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) and responders overwhelmingly think Obama far surpasses McCain in his grasp of economics and think Obama's plan is superior. (h/t to Freakonomics). These numbers are truly staggering! Sorry Marty! (former head of NBER and McCain supporter)

As with the Scott Adams poll, economists overwhelmingly choose to self-identify as Democrats and support Obama. This is no fluke and NBER is the cream of the crop.

(By the way, apparently the Economist is one of Palin's faves!)

This poll was taken during the campaign, when Obama had made 0 economic decisions. It's simply a popularity poll among economist researchers. Note the political bent of those polled. Also, these are economic researchers. That means they have spent a lot of time reading about it and haven't actually run a business. On most major college campuses, it is well-known that economics majors are just business school rejects (ie. they are losers).

[one...two...tree 2,762]

This is a repeat of the unfounded claims of the campaign when the media repeated claims that Obama had/has an economic background. But Obama hadn't done, and still hasn't done, anything to prove even a basic understanding of economics. He had never managed anything, studied economics, or run any sort of business or organization. The extent of Obamanomics has been that increasing government spending will revive the economy regardless of what it is spent on. That is the only conclusion that can be made after he signed a $787 Billion stimulus that he hadn't read (when we discovered that the stimulus covered AIG bonuses, there didn't seem to be anyone in Washington that claimed to have read and understood the stimulus cover to cover other).

Well them pesky economists need to listen to you instead of their own expertise.

Don't let facts get in the way of your argument...

Top Economists Overwhelmingly Favor Obama Plan: 80% Say He Has Better Grasp of Economics

The Economist magazine surveyed members of the prestigious National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) and responders overwhelmingly think Obama far surpasses McCain in his grasp of economics and think Obama's plan is superior. (h/t to Freakonomics). These numbers are truly staggering! Sorry Marty! (former head of NBER and McCain supporter)

As with the Scott Adams poll, economists overwhelmingly choose to self-identify as Democrats and support Obama. This is no fluke and NBER is the cream of the crop.

(By the way, apparently the Economist is one of Palin's faves!)

This poll was taken during the campaign, when Obama had made 0 economic decisions. It's simply a popularity poll among economist researchers. Note the political bent of those polled. Also, these are economic researchers. That means they have spent a lot of time reading about it and haven't actually run a business. On most major college campuses, it is well-known that economics majors are just business school rejects (ie. they are losers).

LOL...ok, so do you have some bonafide criticism of the Obama Administrations Economic Policies coming from leading economists or do you want continue to speak as the voice of authority regarding the Administration's economic expertise or lack of?

Edited November 23, 2009 by Galt's gallstones

[Joseph & Ana 0]

This is a repeat of the unfounded claims of the campaign when the media repeated claims that Obama had/has an economic background. But Obama hadn't done, and still hasn't done, anything to prove even a basic understanding of economics. He had never managed anything, studied economics, or run any sort of business or organization. The extent of Obamanomics has been that increasing government spending will revive the economy regardless of what it is spent on. That is the only conclusion that can be made after he signed a $787 Billion stimulus that he hadn't read (when we discovered that the stimulus covered AIG bonuses, there didn't seem to be anyone in Washington that claimed to have read and understood the stimulus cover to cover other).

Well them pesky economists need to listen to you instead of their own expertise.

Don't let facts get in the way of your argument...

Top Economists Overwhelmingly Favor Obama Plan: 80% Say He Has Better Grasp of Economics

The Economist magazine surveyed members of the prestigious National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) and responders overwhelmingly think Obama far surpasses McCain in his grasp of economics and think Obama's plan is superior. (h/t to Freakonomics). These numbers are truly staggering! Sorry Marty! (former head of NBER and McCain supporter)

As with the Scott Adams poll, economists overwhelmingly choose to self-identify as Democrats and support Obama. This is no fluke and NBER is the cream of the crop.

(By the way, apparently the Economist is one of Palin's faves!)

This poll was taken during the campaign, when Obama had made 0 economic decisions. It's simply a popularity poll among economist researchers. Note the political bent of those polled. Also, these are economic researchers. That means they have spent a lot of time reading about it and haven't actually run a business. On most major college campuses, it is well-known that economics majors are just business school rejects (ie. they are losers).

LOL...ok, so do you have some bonafide criticism of the Obama Administrations Economic Policies coming from leading economists or do you want continue to speak as the voice of authority when it comes to criticism of the Administration's economic expertise?

Its the same as your GW BS Steve. Anyone who disagrees is not a scientist, or "leading" scientist. And any economist who disagrees with Obama is not a "leading" economist. This is exactly the kind of stuff the Soviets did.

[SMR 368]

This is a repeat of the unfounded claims of the campaign when the media repeated claims that Obama had/has an economic background. But Obama hadn't done, and still hasn't done, anything to prove even a basic understanding of economics. He had never managed anything, studied economics, or run any sort of business or organization. The extent of Obamanomics has been that increasing government spending will revive the economy regardless of what it is spent on. That is the only conclusion that can be made after he signed a $787 Billion stimulus that he hadn't read (when we discovered that the stimulus covered AIG bonuses, there didn't seem to be anyone in Washington that claimed to have read and understood the stimulus cover to cover other).

Well them pesky economists need to listen to you instead of their own expertise.

Don't let facts get in the way of your argument...

Top Economists Overwhelmingly Favor Obama Plan: 80% Say He Has Better Grasp of Economics

The Economist magazine surveyed members of the prestigious National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) and responders overwhelmingly think Obama far surpasses McCain in his grasp of economics and think Obama's plan is superior. (h/t to Freakonomics). These numbers are truly staggering! Sorry Marty! (former head of NBER and McCain supporter)

As with the Scott Adams poll, economists overwhelmingly choose to self-identify as Democrats and support Obama. This is no fluke and NBER is the cream of the crop.

(By the way, apparently the Economist is one of Palin's faves!)

This poll was taken during the campaign, when Obama had made 0 economic decisions. It's simply a popularity poll among economist researchers. Note the political bent of those polled. Also, these are economic researchers. That means they have spent a lot of time reading about it and haven't actually run a business. On most major college campuses, it is well-known that economics majors are just business school rejects (ie. they are losers).

LOL...ok, so do you have some bonafide criticism of the Obama Administrations Economic Policies coming from leading economists or do you want continue to speak as the voice of authority regarding the Administration's economic expertise or lack of?

Three Nobel Laureates in economics disagree with him:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/economy-w...onomists_a.html

But that really isn't the point. Obama has no economics background or experience. Even if a whole bunch of liberals agree that he does, that doesn't change anything.

[nowhereman 1]

Funny how the same people who blamed the "libs" for Bush's 28-30% approval ratings (and trivialized the importance of low approval numbers) are celebrating Obama falling below 50% (and making a big deal out of it). Apparently approval ratings are only important if it reflects your own views B)