White Paper = COLD DENIAL? Now what?

[MrZonaCat 0]

I just got the heart-breaking news. I spoke to my wife a few minutes ago. She is still in Guangzhou. Sobbing. This is such a cold and heart-wrenching moment for both of us. Every cell in my body abounds with numbness and shock. I really have no idea what options remain for us. It blows my mind that one person sitting in an office gets to play God with a couple's life. They get to toy with a couple's future with no justifiable basis.

Of course I know I am not alone. No doubt there are many other people who have been through this same, arduous, emotion-churning ordeal. But I feel as though there is nothing I could have done differently.

Evidently, the reasons given were I have not been to China again since our September 2008 marriage and I have not sent any money. I was told that the one trip to China might be considered a red flag in their eyes but I had heard nary a thing about the sending money part. How does sending money prove the love that is in one's heart? I live in Arizona now. But I lived off and on in Los Angeles for 13 years so I saw first hand, couples whose marriage were based solely on money. In my observation, couples who married for money in California had higher divorce rates than poor people in Arizona who married for pure love. Like the Beatles song goes, "Money can't buy me love."

The other thing that blows me away is the "Catch 22" of it all. On one hand, they want job stability but on the other hand, they want multiple trips to China. Arizona is not like Germany where I hear employers are liberal about giving vacation time off. Like 5 weeks a year. In Arizona (it is a right to work state) it is almost unheard of, to get more than one or two weeks off a year. Especially for a new job. I once worked in a hotel and it took being there 10 years before you could get even one month vacation. So even a ten-year employee was powerless to travel overseas more than once a year. So, it is extremely difficult to do both. Either one can borrow money and travel frequently and start a new job every year. Or one can land a good job, establish oneself as a great and dependable worker but then they do not get any chance to travel.

Evidently, the 400 pages or so of papers we compiled meant nothing. I also had a financially stable co-sponsor who signed the I-134 forms and two years of tax returns and deeds to two houses that were paid for. My wife and I talk every day on the phone (I supplied proof) and we also chat for over a hour every day on Skype. What more can a guy do (who is not a millionaire) who lives over 7,000 miles away from their wife?

So I have two major questions regarding what my options are.

A. I hear that some people have written their Congressman upon hearing that they were denied. Does this make a difference? How does one go about doing this?

B. Does it do any good to pursue the CR-1 route after one gets rejected on a K-3? Or is this just throwing more money down the endless money pit like slot machine (i.e., gambling) in Vegas? Even if I sold my patent for cash (coupled with a meager income tax rebate) and somehow made to China again, I would have to quit a new job to do this.

If i did this, would the PRO (going to China again) outweigh the CON (quitting another job) or would it make more sense to just get a good job with a good employer and never get to China again? New employers here frown down at new hires mentioning that they need to travel internationally. Especially with any kind of frequency.

Is there any chance that the regional consulates read every one of these messages on here and develop a liking or disliking for someone who posts on here and can use it against them when it comes time for the K3 appointment/interview?

I feel so sad. Also, here in Arizona, there is such an extreme hatred (you should read the daily comments in our daily newspaper) for immigrants. Every single day. Hate, hate, hate. Without naming any political parties, let's just say that this hate comes almost solely from one party. I feel that the anti-immigrant sentiments have jaded some of the rational judgments as to who gets to come to this country. I live in a city less than two hours from Mexico where there have been some isolated instances of a select few ILLEGAL immigrants climb the border fence and add to the crime statistics here in Southern Arizona. It seems so wrong to use any of this data (the rise in crime due to illegal alien activity) against a married woman in China obtaining a K3 Visa. While I doubt this is the reason for my wife getting denied a visa, I can not help but think the recent, passion-based pressure on Government officials to deny entry to foreigners had at least some kind of indirect influence on my wife's case. I hope not but I guess I will never really know.

So... anyone. Please. If you have any suggestions, please, please share.

Thanks so much.

Mark in Arizona

[Dakine 26]

Don't write a representative CALL your senator and get them moving on it RIGHT away. Congressman also.

Looks like you should make another trip.

Why didn't you send money? She rich? Do you have a will and life insurance for her?

Did you file joint tax returns?

Won't be any difference with the CR-1 unless you make some changes.

[Jamaican JNR 2]

I just got the heart-breaking news. I spoke to my wife a few minutes ago. She is still in Guangzhou. Sobbing. This is such a cold and heart-wrenching moment for both of us. Every cell in my body abounds with numbness and shock. I really have no idea what options remain for us. It blows my mind that one person sitting in an office gets to play God with a couple's life. They get to toy with a couple's future with no justifiable basis.

Of course I know I am not alone. No doubt there are many other people who have been through this same, arduous, emotion-churning ordeal. But I feel as though there is nothing I could have done differently.

Evidently, the reasons given were I have not been to China again since our September 2008 marriage and I have not sent any money. I was told that the one trip to China might be considered a red flag in their eyes but I had heard nary a thing about the sending money part. How does sending money prove the love that is in one's heart? I live in Arizona now. But I lived off and on in Los Angeles for 13 years so I saw first hand, couples whose marriage were based solely on money. In my observation, couples who married for money in California had higher divorce rates than poor people in Arizona who married for pure love. Like the Beatles song goes, "Money can't buy me love."

The other thing that blows me away is the "Catch 22" of it all. On one hand, they want job stability but on the other hand, they want multiple trips to China. Arizona is not like Germany where I hear employers are liberal about giving vacation time off. Like 5 weeks a year. In Arizona (it is a right to work state) it is almost unheard of, to get more than one or two weeks off a year. Especially for a new job. I once worked in a hotel and it took being there 10 years before you could get even one month vacation. So even a ten-year employee was powerless to travel overseas more than once a year. So, it is extremely difficult to do both. Either one can borrow money and travel frequently and start a new job every year. Or one can land a good job, establish oneself as a great and dependable worker but then they do not get any chance to travel.

Evidently, the 400 pages or so of papers we compiled meant nothing. I also had a financially stable co-sponsor who signed the I-134 forms and two years of tax returns and deeds to two houses that were paid for. My wife and I talk every day on the phone (I supplied proof) and we also chat for over a hour every day on Skype. What more can a guy do (who is not a millionaire) who lives over 7,000 miles away from their wife?

So I have two major questions regarding what my options are.

A. I hear that some people have written their Congressman upon hearing that they were denied. Does this make a difference? How does one go about doing this?

B. Does it do any good to pursue the CR-1 route after one gets rejected on a K-3? Or is this just throwing more money down the endless money pit like slot machine (i.e., gambling) in Vegas? Even if I sold my patent for cash (coupled with a meager income tax rebate) and somehow made to China again, I would have to quit a new job to do this.

If i did this, would the PRO (going to China again) outweigh the CON (quitting another job) or would it make more sense to just get a good job with a good employer and never get to China again? New employers here frown down at new hires mentioning that they need to travel internationally. Especially with any kind of frequency.

Is there any chance that the regional consulates read every one of these messages on here and develop a liking or disliking for someone who posts on here and can use it against them when it comes time for the K3 appointment/interview?

I feel so sad. Also, here in Arizona, there is such an extreme hatred (you should read the daily comments in our daily newspaper) for immigrants. Every single day. Hate, hate, hate. Without naming any political parties, let's just say that this hate comes almost solely from one party. I feel that the anti-immigrant sentiments have jaded some of the rational judgments as to who gets to come to this country. I live in a city less than two hours from Mexico where there have been some isolated instances of a select few ILLEGAL immigrants climb the border fence and add to the crime statistics here in Southern Arizona. It seems so wrong to use any of this data (the rise in crime due to illegal alien activity) against a married woman in China obtaining a K3 Visa. While I doubt this is the reason for my wife getting denied a visa, I can not help but think the recent, passion-based pressure on Government officials to deny entry to foreigners had at least some kind of indirect influence on my wife's case. I hope not but I guess I will never really know.

So... anyone. Please. If you have any suggestions, please, please share.

Thanks so much.

Mark in Arizona

Sorry to hear about your case... the reality of the matter is that you have to prove that it is for love in the "Immigration Laws Eyes." One visit cannot do, and so far from your interview date. It is common knowledge that you have to prove bonafide relationship.

[pushbrk 12,883]

Sorry to hear about your case... the reality of the matter is that you have to prove that it is for love in the "Immigration Laws Eyes." One visit cannot do, and so far from your interview date. It is common knowledge that you have to prove bonafide relationship.

"Love" is not the issue that needs to be "proved". Consular officers must be convinced the relationship is bona fide.

In any event, the first step is to set the emotion aside long enough to provide the details of the notice received. First, did they ask for more information or indicate they would return the case to USCIS? Then, what does the actual notice say, exactly?

[Darnell 8,478]

hmmmm

1. make another trip over this month or next. make another trip in january.

2. start sending monies via western union

3. kick the I-130 into play @ nvc.

but- i suggest you wait 2 weeks before you call nvc... just a hunch...

I'll touch base this weekend via PM.

sorry to hear of your news...

Edited November 19, 2009 by Darnell

[SuperDuper! 230]

Most petitioners give their true love a weekly allowance, to make their life less worrisome and stressful. It is an act of love. Sorry for the reject. But please, no immigrant politics. We know you got republican sheriff Joe there in AZ who is extreme in his views on such matters. He is the one who needs to put on the pink undies.

Don;t let your case be sent back to USCIS. Get a senator and lawyer on your case immediately. Cheers and good luck, and stay focused on what you need to do NOW.