What is sufficient proof of a bona fide marriage?

[verde 0]

Since our marriage on June 30, 2009 - we spent significant amounts of time together. I was in Dubai with him from June 14th to July 7th, and from October 10th to November 2nd. In between, we chatted online, talked on the phone, and emailed daily. We have over 300 online chats, almost 1000 emails, and telephone bills showing calls almost every day. We also have a joint lease here in the USA, affidavits from his mother and my son, photographs, cards, a scrapbook of all of our "firsts" (first movie, first water taxi ride, etc). We have copies of our dating site profiles from where we met. We have copies of my Facebook page with a photo album of us and friend's and family's comments on our marriage. There is NOTHING to indicate that our relationship or marriage is a fraud, and plenty to indicate that it is real, valid, legitimate, etc. Apparently this evidence was not enough. What more can we provide? What other evidence have others provided? Please help, I'm at my wit's end!

[pushbrk 12,898]

Since our marriage on June 30, 2009 - we spent significant amounts of time together. I was in Dubai with him from June 14th to July 7th, and from October 10th to November 2nd. In between, we chatted online, talked on the phone, and emailed daily. We have over 300 online chats, almost 1000 emails, and telephone bills showing calls almost every day. We also have a joint lease here in the USA, affidavits from his mother and my son, photographs, cards, a scrapbook of all of our "firsts" (first movie, first water taxi ride, etc). We have copies of our dating site profiles from where we met. We have copies of my Facebook page with a photo album of us and friend's and family's comments on our marriage. There is NOTHING to indicate that our relationship or marriage is a fraud, and plenty to indicate that it is real, valid, legitimate, etc. Apparently this evidence was not enough. What more can we provide? What other evidence have others provided? Please help, I'm at my wit's end!

There is no need to continue to open new threads with new subjects. I just got through answering this question in your other thread. It's a subjective judgment based on the totality of circumstances, evidence submitted and testimony in the interview. The strongest factors are the time you've been together and the interview, NOT anything you submitted on paper other than what evidences your time spent together.

This is all moot, as you've already submitted all you have and the interview has concluded. Now, you wait.

[Starlight95 1]

I have read all your threads. It seems like the only thing they need to approve him is the financial support. Yes, the officer did raise some questions, but that is not why you were placed in AR. It seems like they are just waiting on the support documents. Just relax and everything will be fine.

[verde 0]

I have read all your threads. It seems like the only thing they need to approve him is the financial support. Yes, the officer did raise some questions, but that is not why you were placed in AR. It seems like they are just waiting on the support documents. Just relax and everything will be fine.

I wasn't worried until I talked to the Consulate Chief, who told me that the Blue Sheet, or I94, SHOULD HAVE ALSO SAID that we need more proof of a bona fide relationship. That's when I got worried, because I have nothing more to give. I've given everything I have! If they are saying this isn't enough, what do I do? I am hoping someone who was in a similar situation has a good idea, something that worked for them. And just to let you know that I am feeling alone, scared, and incredibly worried.

[Starlight95 1]

I have read all your threads. It seems like the only thing they need to approve him is the financial support. Yes, the officer did raise some questions, but that is not why you were placed in AR. It seems like they are just waiting on the support documents. Just relax and everything will be fine.

I wasn't worried until I talked to the Consulate Chief, who told me that the Blue Sheet, or I94, SHOULD HAVE ALSO SAID that we need more proof of a bona fide relationship. That's when I got worried, because I have nothing more to give. I've given everything I have! If they are saying this isn't enough, what do I do? I am hoping someone who was in a similar situation has a good idea, something that worked for them. And just to let you know that I am feeling alone, scared, and incredibly worried.

Ok. Let me give you an example if that will give you some confidence, and put your mind at ease.

Alot of times in the initial state of the petition before the NOA2 alot of petitioners are given RFE. Many of these RFE's are more more evidence regarding proof of relationships. Many of these petitioners have already sent them a lot of pictures and so much proof, but still given an RFE for proof of relationship. So, they just submit the same same documents over again, and they get their approval within a weeks time. I know this is not at the consulate stage. But, my suggesstion is submit all the documents you submitted to the consulate, and just a few more that you forgot. If you have boarding passes for your trip that would also be a bonus. What about wedding pictures? Also, if he is an indian citizen. Another idea would be if you can get the petition transferred to India. I am not sure if that would be possible, because he was given a blue slip at the consulate. Not saying that the indian consulates would be less harsher, but since that is his native country it just might be more comfortable for him. I know some people who had initially to have their interview in India, but then decided to have their interview in Dubai. It took some time, but this is possible. I am just throwing out some options that you can consider.

Star

[verde 0]

I have read all your threads. It seems like the only thing they need to approve him is the financial support. Yes, the officer did raise some questions, but that is not why you were placed in AR. It seems like they are just waiting on the support documents. Just relax and everything will be fine.

I wasn't worried until I talked to the Consulate Chief, who told me that the Blue Sheet, or I94, SHOULD HAVE ALSO SAID that we need more proof of a bona fide relationship. That's when I got worried, because I have nothing more to give. I've given everything I have! If they are saying this isn't enough, what do I do? I am hoping someone who was in a similar situation has a good idea, something that worked for them. And just to let you know that I am feeling alone, scared, and incredibly worried.

Ok. Let me give you an example if that will give you some confidence, and put your mind at ease.

Alot of times in the initial state of the petition before the NOA2 alot of petitioners are given RFE. Many of these RFE's are more more evidence regarding proof of relationships. Many of these petitioners have already sent them a lot of pictures and so much proof, but still given an RFE for proof of relationship. So, they just submit the same same documents over again, and they get their approval within a weeks time. I know this is not at the consulate stage. But, my suggesstion is submit all the documents you submitted to the consulate, and just a few more that you forgot. If you have boarding passes for your trip that would also be a bonus. What about wedding pictures? Also, if he is an indian citizen. Another idea would be if you can get the petition transferred to India. I am not sure if that would be possible, because he was given a blue slip at the consulate. Not saying that the indian consulates would be less harsher, but since that is his native country it just might be more comfortable for him. I know some people who had initially to have their interview in India, but then decided to have their interview in Dubai. It took some time, but this is possible. I am just throwing out some options that you can consider.

Star

Thanks. I am trying really hard to put my mind at ease - I did submit boarding passes, airline receipts and itinerary, and evidence that I was hospitalized while in the UAE. We also took tons of pictures in Dubai, UAE, which are clearly in Dubai. We were married in Dubai. We have hotel and rental receipts from Dubai. Plus all the other stuff. I think India takes even longer than the UAE, but that is an idea if the UAE ultimately refuses to accept our relationship as valid. Although ultimately I am willing to move to Dubai and live with my husband while the Embassy takes it's sweet time. But thanks, you had good ideas. Boarding passes were already submitted, though, along with passport copies showing my UAE visas with the dates I arrived and the dates I left.

[pushbrk 12,898]

I have read all your threads. It seems like the only thing they need to approve him is the financial support. Yes, the officer did raise some questions, but that is not why you were placed in AR. It seems like they are just waiting on the support documents. Just relax and everything will be fine.

I wasn't worried until I talked to the Consulate Chief, who told me that the Blue Sheet, or I94, SHOULD HAVE ALSO SAID that we need more proof of a bona fide relationship. That's when I got worried, because I have nothing more to give. I've given everything I have! If they are saying this isn't enough, what do I do? I am hoping someone who was in a similar situation has a good idea, something that worked for them. And just to let you know that I am feeling alone, scared, and incredibly worried.

Ok. Let me give you an example if that will give you some confidence, and put your mind at ease.

Alot of times in the initial state of the petition before the NOA2 alot of petitioners are given RFE. Many of these RFE's are more more evidence regarding proof of relationships. Many of these petitioners have already sent them a lot of pictures and so much proof, but still given an RFE for proof of relationship. So, they just submit the same same documents over again, and they get their approval within a weeks time. I know this is not at the consulate stage. But, my suggesstion is submit all the documents you submitted to the consulate, and just a few more that you forgot. If you have boarding passes for your trip that would also be a bonus. What about wedding pictures? Also, if he is an indian citizen. Another idea would be if you can get the petition transferred to India. I am not sure if that would be possible, because he was given a blue slip at the consulate. Not saying that the indian consulates would be less harsher, but since that is his native country it just might be more comfortable for him. I know some people who had initially to have their interview in India, but then decided to have their interview in Dubai. It took some time, but this is possible. I am just throwing out some options that you can consider.

Star

I'm sorry but I disagree strongly with the assertion in bold above. I have seen absolutely zero in the way of requests for evidence of a bona fide relationship coming from USCIS prior to petition approval. This is because in visa cases (as distinct from adjustment of status) USCIS does is not the agency that evaluates bona fides.

USCIS is responsible to determine the petitioner's citizenship, that the couple was free to marry when they married, that they are legally married and that the USC petitioner is not ineligible under the Adam Walsh act. (is not a child molester) All responsibility for evaluating the bona fides of the marital "relationship" falls on the Immigrant Visa Unit at the Consulate abroad.

When a Consular officer requests more evidence of bona fides after the interview, this is not appropriately characterized as an RFE. It is a 221g denial that can be overcome if the additional documentation requested is judged to be sufficient to overcome the initial finding of ineligibility.

[Starlight95 1]

Ok..this is just a hunch or something that the officer has in mind and is trying to get the confusion cleared. For instance, you fiance is a native from India and working in UAE. Now from UAE he wants to move to US. The question here is his motive. They want to clarify if he is marrying you for the right reasons. Your goal is to put yourself in the officers shoes and convince them that this is a legitimate relationship. If you can afford to I would go there and be with him during the interview. This will guarantee success, and clear any doubts they may have.

Star

Edited November 15, 2009 by Starlight95

[Starlight95 1]

I have read all your threads. It seems like the only thing they need to approve him is the financial support. Yes, the officer did raise some questions, but that is not why you were placed in AR. It seems like they are just waiting on the support documents. Just relax and everything will be fine.

I wasn't worried until I talked to the Consulate Chief, who told me that the Blue Sheet, or I94, SHOULD HAVE ALSO SAID that we need more proof of a bona fide relationship. That's when I got worried, because I have nothing more to give. I've given everything I have! If they are saying this isn't enough, what do I do? I am hoping someone who was in a similar situation has a good idea, something that worked for them. And just to let you know that I am feeling alone, scared, and incredibly worried.

Ok. Let me give you an example if that will give you some confidence, and put your mind at ease.

Alot of times in the initial state of the petition before the NOA2 alot of petitioners are given RFE. Many of these RFE's are more more evidence regarding proof of relationships. Many of these petitioners have already sent them a lot of pictures and so much proof, but still given an RFE for proof of relationship. So, they just submit the same same documents over again, and they get their approval within a weeks time. I know this is not at the consulate stage. But, my suggesstion is submit all the documents you submitted to the consulate, and just a few more that you forgot. If you have boarding passes for your trip that would also be a bonus. What about wedding pictures? Also, if he is an indian citizen. Another idea would be if you can get the petition transferred to India. I am not sure if that would be possible, because he was given a blue slip at the consulate. Not saying that the indian consulates would be less harsher, but since that is his native country it just might be more comfortable for him. I know some people who had initially to have their interview in India, but then decided to have their interview in Dubai. It took some time, but this is possible. I am just throwing out some options that you can consider.

Star

I'm sorry but I disagree strongly with the assertion in bold above. I have seen absolutely zero in the way of requests for evidence of a bona fide relationship coming from USCIS prior to petition approval. This is because in visa cases (as distinct from adjustment of status) USCIS does is not the agency that evaluates bona fides.

USCIS is responsible to determine the petitioner's citizenship, that the couple was free to marry when they married, that they are legally married and that the USC petitioner is not ineligible under the Adam Walsh act. (is not a child molester) All responsibility for evaluating the bona fides of the marital "relationship" falls on the Immigrant Visa Unit at the Consulate abroad.

When a Consular officer requests more evidence of bona fides after the interview, this is not appropriately characterized as an RFE. It is a 221g denial that can be overcome if the additional documentation requested is judged to be sufficient to overcome the initial finding of ineligibility.

Yes, I do agree with you. I am aware of that the consulate is different from USCIS and evaluates relationships different. I do know the difference of RFE and 221g denials. I am just giving an example to the OP to help her put her mind at ease.

[pushbrk 12,898]

Ok..this is just a hunch or something that the officer has in mind and is trying to get the confusion cleared. For instance, you fiance is a native from India and working in UAE. Now from UAE he wants to move to US. The question here is his motive. They want to clarify if he is marrying you for the right reasons. Your goal is to put yourself in the officers shoes and convince them that this is a legitimate relationship. If you can afford to I would go there and be with him during the interview. This will guarantee success, and clear any doubts they may have.

Star

There is absolutely nothing that can GUARANTEE success in the immigration process.

[Starlight95 1]

puskrk- I understand you may have a lot of knowledge about the whole process then myself. You have a lot of valid points. Right now the OP needs support and she feels alone and frustrated. Yes, this process can be a gamble. I am trying my best to help her calm her nerves. Also, I am telling her ideas that I have seen and know from experience.

[Starlight95 1]

I guess the write words here should be

This possibly may guarantee success, and clear any doubts they may have

Edited November 15, 2009 by Starlight95

[SnME 3]

I have read all your threads. It seems like the only thing they need to approve him is the financial support. Yes, the officer did raise some questions, but that is not why you were placed in AR. It seems like they are just waiting on the support documents. Just relax and everything will be fine.

I wasn't worried until I talked to the Consulate Chief, who told me that the Blue Sheet, or I94, SHOULD HAVE ALSO SAID that we need more proof of a bona fide relationship. That's when I got worried, because I have nothing more to give. I've given everything I have! If they are saying this isn't enough, what do I do? I am hoping someone who was in a similar situation has a good idea, something that worked for them. And just to let you know that I am feeling alone, scared, and incredibly worried.

MY honey will show them the tattoo on her butt if this question is asked of her... I will NOT allow her to show them the tattoo on her boobie. That is just NOT going to happen...

They will KNOW that she really loves me when they see that butt and the tattoo on it!

For the record, She did not really want it on her butt. That was my idea. She wanted it elsewhere so that it would not be 'hiding' she said... I had to be firm with her here as I did not want to see a lot of tattoos on her when she was dressed normally.

A properly placed and well structured/written tattoo says a LOT about how you feel about someone.

Hope this helps some in your quest to be with your husband.

[pushbrk 12,898]

I have read all your threads. It seems like the only thing they need to approve him is the financial support. Yes, the officer did raise some questions, but that is not why you were placed in AR. It seems like they are just waiting on the support documents. Just relax and everything will be fine.

I wasn't worried until I talked to the Consulate Chief, who told me that the Blue Sheet, or I94, SHOULD HAVE ALSO SAID that we need more proof of a bona fide relationship. That's when I got worried, because I have nothing more to give. I've given everything I have! If they are saying this isn't enough, what do I do? I am hoping someone who was in a similar situation has a good idea, something that worked for them. And just to let you know that I am feeling alone, scared, and incredibly worried.

Ok. Let me give you an example if that will give you some confidence, and put your mind at ease.

Alot of times in the initial state of the petition before the NOA2 alot of petitioners are given RFE. Many of these RFE's are more more evidence regarding proof of relationships. Many of these petitioners have already sent them a lot of pictures and so much proof, but still given an RFE for proof of relationship. So, they just submit the same same documents over again, and they get their approval within a weeks time. I know this is not at the consulate stage. But, my suggesstion is submit all the documents you submitted to the consulate, and just a few more that you forgot. If you have boarding passes for your trip that would also be a bonus. What about wedding pictures? Also, if he is an indian citizen. Another idea would be if you can get the petition transferred to India. I am not sure if that would be possible, because he was given a blue slip at the consulate. Not saying that the indian consulates would be less harsher, but since that is his native country it just might be more comfortable for him. I know some people who had initially to have their interview in India, but then decided to have their interview in Dubai. It took some time, but this is possible. I am just throwing out some options that you can consider.

Star

I'm sorry but I disagree strongly with the assertion in bold above. I have seen absolutely zero in the way of requests for evidence of a bona fide relationship coming from USCIS prior to petition approval. This is because in visa cases (as distinct from adjustment of status) USCIS does is not the agency that evaluates bona fides.

USCIS is responsible to determine the petitioner's citizenship, that the couple was free to marry when they married, that they are legally married and that the USC petitioner is not ineligible under the Adam Walsh act. (is not a child molester) All responsibility for evaluating the bona fides of the marital "relationship" falls on the Immigrant Visa Unit at the Consulate abroad.

When a Consular officer requests more evidence of bona fides after the interview, this is not appropriately characterized as an RFE. It is a 221g denial that can be overcome if the additional documentation requested is judged to be sufficient to overcome the initial finding of ineligibility.

Yes, I do agree with you. I am aware of that the consulate is different from USCIS and evaluates relationships different. I do know the difference of RFE and 221g denials. I am just giving an example to the OP to help her put her mind at ease.

The last thing she needs is false examples from somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about. You are NOT helping.

[verde 0]

Ok..this is just a hunch or something that the officer has in mind and is trying to get the confusion cleared. For instance, you fiance is a native from India and working in UAE. Now from UAE he wants to move to US. The question here is his motive. They want to clarify if he is marrying you for the right reasons. Your goal is to put yourself in the officers shoes and convince them that this is a legitimate relationship. If you can afford to I would go there and be with him during the interview. This will guarantee success, and clear any doubts they may have.

Star

Hey Star - I was there in the UAE to be with him for the interview. They knew my UAE visa ran out on the 10th of November. They scheduled the interview for the 12th of November. They, the EMBASSY, told me not to overstay or extend my visa, and that my presence was not needed at the interview. They knew I was in the UAE, and we submitted proof of it at the Interview. Now, to be at the SECOND interview, we have to spend another $1200 for a ticket. I am just so frustrated!

Thanks,

Verde