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[sbgwolf1 0]

haha...my friend....from Russia you are going to have a longer wait....just the way it is. My timeline...cant be bothered...I had no problems with any of it....just a RFE where they lost my birth certificate. Im not here to support every case that comes along...many are fraudulent. If you dont understand the world of reality of visas...then cry all you want. Some countries are easy...others are not. Your country wil not be easy cuz Im sure that a marriage broker was involved.

Who are you to make assumptions of where people met anyways. Marriage broker, grocery store, bar, or a church. How you meet is not important, its what happens afterwards. If two people fall in love, the means used to introduce them should not be judged. Then again, we see in your other posts that you are judgemental, rude, confrontational. If you are that way at home, I feel sorry for the lady you brought here. You are a bad representation of men in general......

OK, I am starting to sound like desert.....

>>>>> All those that are going though this and frustrated, I feel your pain. Make all your inquiries, share everything. Lets stay positive that one day soon our loved ones will be here. <<<<<

[desert_fox 32]

haha...my friend....from Russia you are going to have a longer wait....just the way it is. My timeline...cant be bothered...I had no problems with any of it....just a RFE where they lost my birth certificate. Im not here to support every case that comes along...many are fraudulent. If you dont understand the world of reality of visas...then cry all you want. Some countries are easy...others are not. Your country wil not be easy cuz Im sure that a marriage broker was involved.

Who are you to make assumptions of where people met anyways. Marriage broker, grocery store, bar, or a church. How you meet is not important, its what happens afterwards. If two people fall in love, the means used to introduce them should not be judged. Then again, we see in your other posts that you are judgemental, rude, confrontational. If you are that way at home, I feel sorry for the lady you brought here. You are a bad representation of men in general......

OK, I am starting to sound like desert.....

>>>>> All those that are going though this and frustrated, I feel your pain. Make all your inquiries, share everything. Lets stay positive that one day soon our loved ones will be here. <<<<<

Ill pray for you

some of these so called loved ones dont deserve to come here.

The US has been victimized for years with fraudulent family based visas. They are finally cracking down on them. Read the article post recently by Ellis Island. This is the reality.

What is the pain by the way??...if you have a valid relationship...you have nothing to worry about.

[vartan 0]

But its the law which I support 100%.

I think most us "non criminals" do too .. as far as that part it is not the issue its just uscis dropping the ball .. and its not like we can walk up to customer service and ask to talk to a manager.. in this case there is no "customer is always right" golden rule.. I wish there was.. well .. ok no I don't wish cause.. well yeah there is fraud out there. . but ya get the jist. And yes you are right.. america is cracking down on immigration .. should they?? yes.. why?? look how many illegal people we have who feel they deserve rights cause no one has busted them in years.. but there has to be a happy place in the middle.

Edited July 21, 2006 by vartan

[sbgwolf1 0]

What is the pain by the way??...if you have a valid relationship...you have nothing to worry about.

This shows it all..... sorry if you dont understand. Its not about worrying about the end result, its about being kept apart from the one we love. When we miss spending the days, nights, holidays, and even our day to day activities with one another its hard. When the one you love gets sick and you feel helpless because you are thousands of miles away. That is pain, inside...

End of conversation.

[Erik 0]

Ill pray for you

some of these so called loved ones dont deserve to come here.

The US has been victimized for years with fraudulent family based visas. They are finally cracking down on them. Read the article post recently by Ellis Island. This is the reality.

What is the pain by the way??...if you have a valid relationship...you have nothing to worry about.

You mean cracking down on people trying to follow the laws of immigration, as opposed to the millions of those that walk across our borders illegally every year?

Also, maybe you have not read the entire IMBRA law. Although I support the part of the law that requires the petitioner state his past criminal history, should he have one, do you think it is correct that a US Citizens must provide personal information to a woman before he can simply say "Hello" to them? I can tell you I surely don't. Did you know that was also part of the IMBRA law? This however, is a completely different debate.

I agree with wolf here. We have the right to contact our elected reps anytime we want. After all, we put them there, and oh yeah we pay they're salaries.

[JenT 0]

Ill pray for you

some of these so called loved ones dont deserve to come here.

The US has been victimized for years with fraudulent family based visas. They are finally cracking down on them. Read the article post recently by Ellis Island. This is the reality.

What is the pain by the way??...if you have a valid relationship...you have nothing to worry about.

You mean cracking down on people trying to follow the laws of immigration, as opposed to the millions of those that walk across our borders illegally every year?

Also, maybe you have not read the entire IMBRA law. Although I support the part of the law that requires the petitioner state his past criminal history, should he have one, do you think it is correct that a US Citizens must provide personal information to a woman before he can simply say "Hello" to them? I can tell you I surely don't. Did you know that was also part of the IMBRA law? This however, is a completely different debate.

I agree with wolf here. We have the right to contact our elected reps anytime we want. After all, we put them there, and oh yeah we pay they're salaries.

Please send me the exact reference in the actual law that states this.

Jen

[desert_fox 32]

Ill pray for you

some of these so called loved ones dont deserve to come here.

The US has been victimized for years with fraudulent family based visas. They are finally cracking down on them. Read the article post recently by Ellis Island. This is the reality.

What is the pain by the way??...if you have a valid relationship...you have nothing to worry about.

Also, maybe you have not read the entire IMBRA law. Although I support the part of the law that requires the petitioner state his past criminal history, should he have one, do you think it is correct that a US Citizens must provide personal information to a woman before he can simply say "Hello" to them? I can tell you I surely don't. Did you know that was also part of the IMBRA law? This however, is a completely different debate.

Please send me the exact reference in the actual law that states this.

Jen

Yes...I think its absolutely correct that she should know of your past if you have these kinds of problems. I would hate to be the women tha come here and finds out that her SO is an abuser, child molester, stalker, wife beater, etc. You seem to have a problem with this.

I have no idea what you mean that you have to furnish this information to say hello....I would think that the hellos have been said long ago before you reach this stage of your relationship. I guess that you mean that you have to furnish this information to the Marriage Broker before you go on this junket to meet all these beautiful 28 year old Russian women that are going to fall in love with a 60 year old bld headed guy that weighs 280 pounds. My friend....this is the intent of the law...what part dont you understand???

Im not saying that this applies to you....but it does happen.

[Erik 0]

Ill pray for you

some of these so called loved ones dont deserve to come here.

The US has been victimized for years with fraudulent family based visas. They are finally cracking down on them. Read the article post recently by Ellis Island. This is the reality.

What is the pain by the way??...if you have a valid relationship...you have nothing to worry about.

You mean cracking down on people trying to follow the laws of immigration, as opposed to the millions of those that walk across our borders illegally every year?

Also, maybe you have not read the entire IMBRA law. Although I support the part of the law that requires the petitioner state his past criminal history, should he have one, do you think it is correct that a US Citizens must provide personal information to a woman before he can simply say "Hello" to them? I can tell you I surely don't. Did you know that was also part of the IMBRA law? This however, is a completely different debate.

I agree with wolf here. We have the right to contact our elected reps anytime we want. After all, we put them there, and oh yeah we pay they're salaries.

Please send me the exact reference in the actual law that states this.

Jen

It is not actually worded like that in the law.

However, it requires that "Marriage Brokers" (however they actually classify them) get background information from someone who would like to contact a woman, before he actually says hi to her or makes any sort of initial contact. The background information is then viewed by the woman.

If you look at a Marriage Broker website (I found this one for example www.latineuro.com) because of IMBRA people are required to complete a profile with "background" information regarding themselves (I do not know what information exactly required though).

If you go to this link on that website, it gives a Q/A about how IMBRA changed things in regards to this, to a certain extent. http://www.latineuro.com/qa.html

This is the only part of the law I was not comfortable with. To me it would be like carrying around a background print out in my back pocket when I went to a club and wanted to talk to a woman. First I'd have to give it to her friend, then she would give it to her, then she would tell her friend if it was ok for me to say hello to her or not. But, again that is a different debate for a different place.

[JenT 0]

It's been debated plenty already... if someone doesn't agree with providing that info up front, then they should take their 'business' elsewhere.

Their only worry should be if they HAVE cause to worry.... as I said earlier (in this thread? I've lost track)... there are consequences to every action.

Jen

[desert_fox 32]

Ill pray for you

some of these so called loved ones dont deserve to come here.

The US has been victimized for years with fraudulent family based visas. They are finally cracking down on them. Read the article post recently by Ellis Island. This is the reality.

What is the pain by the way??...if you have a valid relationship...you have nothing to worry about.

You mean cracking down on people trying to follow the laws of immigration, as opposed to the millions of those that walk across our borders illegally every year?

Also, maybe you have not read the entire IMBRA law. Although I support the part of the law that requires the petitioner state his past criminal history, should he have one, do you think it is correct that a US Citizens must provide personal information to a woman before he can simply say "Hello" to them? I can tell you I surely don't. Did you know that was also part of the IMBRA law? This however, is a completely different debate.

I agree with wolf here. We have the right to contact our elected reps anytime we want. After all, we put them there, and oh yeah we pay they're salaries.

Please send me the exact reference in the actual law that states this.

Jen

It is not actually worded like that in the law.

However, it requires that "Marriage Brokers" (however they actually classify them) get background information from someone who would like to contact a woman, before he actually says hi to her or makes any sort of initial contact. The background information is then viewed by the woman.

If you look at a Marriage Broker website (I found this one for example www.latineuro.com) because of IMBRA people are required to complete a profile with "background" information regarding themselves (I do not know what information exactly required though).

If you go to this link on that website, it gives a Q/A about how IMBRA changed things in regards to this, to a certain extent. http://www.latineuro.com/qa.html

This is the only part of the law I was not comfortable with. To me it would be like carrying around a background print out in my back pocket when I went to a club and wanted to talk to a woman. First I'd have to give it to her friend, then she would give it to her, then she would tell her friend if it was ok for me to say hello to her or not. But, again that is a different debate for a different place.

Then I guess we can agree to disagree. I think she is entitled to know this information. If you are a law abiding US Citizen...then what is the problem?? It would be a plus in your favor.

I certainly would not want my daughter to end up with some abuser when the information was readily available.

[vartan 0]

If you look at a Marriage Broker website (I found this one for example www.latineuro.com) because of IMBRA people are required to complete a profile with "background" information regarding themselves (I do not know what information exactly required though).

Holy ... Wow.. they actually have an "ADD TO CART" button .. that is seriously messed up .. In my oppinion

[JenT 0]

If you look at a Marriage Broker website (I found this one for example www.latineuro.com) because of IMBRA people are required to complete a profile with "background" information regarding themselves (I do not know what information exactly required though).

Holy ... Wow.. they actually have an "ADD TO CART" button .. that is seriously messed up .. In my oppinion

Kinda turns the stomach, doesn't it?

[Erik 0]

Ill pray for you

some of these so called loved ones dont deserve to come here.

The US has been victimized for years with fraudulent family based visas. They are finally cracking down on them. Read the article post recently by Ellis Island. This is the reality.

What is the pain by the way??...if you have a valid relationship...you have nothing to worry about.

Also, maybe you have not read the entire IMBRA law. Although I support the part of the law that requires the petitioner state his past criminal history, should he have one, do you think it is correct that a US Citizens must provide personal information to a woman before he can simply say "Hello" to them? I can tell you I surely don't. Did you know that was also part of the IMBRA law? This however, is a completely different debate.

Please send me the exact reference in the actual law that states this.

Jen

Yes...I think its absolutely correct that she should know of your past if you have these kinds of problems. I would hate to be the women tha come here and finds out that her SO is an abuser, child molester, stalker, wife beater, etc. You seem to have a problem with this.

I have no idea what you mean that you have to furnish this information to say hello....I would think that the hellos have been said long ago before you reach this stage of your relationship. I guess that you mean that you have to furnish this information to the Marriage Broker before you go on this junket to meet all these beautiful 28 year old Russian women that are going to fall in love with a 60 year old bld headed guy that weighs 280 pounds. My friend....this is the intent of the law...what part dont you understand???

Im not saying that this applies to you....but it does happen.

You seem to not read my posts correctly. I stated I had no problem with the USCIS doing additional background checks, and having the petitioner state and provide documents of a criminal background (of which I do not have). I believe it is very good for the woman to receive this information at the Consulate prior to getting her Visa.

The problem is they do not define Marriage Brokers appropriately. I personally would consider what you describe a Marriage Broker, however I would not describe a website that runs the same way a Match.com, or Yahoo Personals does a Marriage Broker. However, they are included as Marriage Brokers. So, when I say you need to submit background information before you can say hi, I'm speaking about saying hi in an email, even if thats as far as it ever goes. I don't know about you, but giving out more information than I'm comfortable with to someone I don't even know yet, doesn't seem right, and could also be dangerous in terms of fraud.

Also, to my knowledge there is no law to protect the US Citizen in this same situation. Many of those woman are exactly what you said before, people trying to buck the system. Many are Prostitutes etc. etc. So in a circumstance such as this, why should we have to provide them with a background history, and they do not? Also, to the best of my knowledge, this applies to all US Citizens, meaning women who want to contact a foreign man needs to do the same.

Now, yes during the K-1 process they get a criminal background check, and yes we get a more extensive one now, I have NO problem with this. I think it is very good, and is needed. Not that I will ever need a service such as I mentioned seeing how I'll be married soon.

If you look at a Marriage Broker website (I found this one for example www.latineuro.com) because of IMBRA people are required to complete a profile with "background" information regarding themselves (I do not know what information exactly required though).

Holy ... Wow.. they actually have an "ADD TO CART" button .. that is seriously messed up .. In my oppinion

Hey I didn't say I would ever use it, or agree with it, it was just an example I found that talked about IMBRA

[vartan 0]

Hey I didn't say I would ever use it, or agree with it, it was just an example I found that talked about IMBRA

now when someone asks what is a marriage broker ill send em there.

[Chuckles 0]

Just a note to the person who was told recieving a fiance visa from Russia is harder then other countries, that is completely and absolutly false.

It is in fact easier then most countries, probably on par with getting a fiancee visa from the UK (as far as wait times, requirements for the consulary, and amount of rejections). There is not a long wait for interviews, in general 2 months from when the embassy recieves your case from the NVC. I think desert fox would be suprised to learn there is only roughly 200 interviews per month for K visa's out of Moscow currently. Considering the size of Russia (largest country in the world) I don't see how that there is an 'epidemic' of marriage brokers using K visas...

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled mud tossing !!!

Edited July 21, 2006 by Chuckles