White House to Begin Push on Immigration Overhaul in 2010

[peejay 327]

Without the ability to get a job, illegal immigrants don't have much of a reason to come here.

Without being able to work illegally anymore they don't have a reason to stay either. That is where E-Verify comes in. No need to deport them.

These people are citizens of and the responsibility of their own governments. Obama needs to worry about America and American citizens instead of legalizing illegal aliens with long term double digit unemployment going on.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

No way will any amnesty pass in 2010. Not a chance.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

the race to the bottom is accelerating.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I think that the Americans who are knowingly hiring illegals should be held accountable. I have more disdain for them than I do for the illegals. Crack down on the American violaters, problem solved.

[aidan80 9]

I wish everything in life was just as black and white as you put it. E-Verify and deport that's the way to fix it all? Seriously is that all there is too it. So you'd support the idea of us all paying god knows how much more in taxes to basically raise an army to carry out a mass forced moment of millions of people over a line on a map or back on a plane/boat? Think about the logistics in it the time, money the overtime involved for those working such a system. Think about all the old people being moved, children, people getting sick needing treatment the violence and chaos created! What about the families that have US born children what about them? Split them up send them all back? Ok so once they are out.. what then? Just build a big wall and that'll keep the out? Put snipers on the wall and mines on the ground?

I'd rather open up an option for those that are undocumented to gain lawful status. Allowing those that are living in the shadows and being exploited daily in many cases. There are many companies here using "disposable workers" every day those companies have nothing to fear from using undocumented workers and everything to gain. I say bring the undocumented into the mainstream if they pass criminal checks and are of decent charter let them get jobs and start paying taxes like the rest of us. Instead of pissing away billions and billions more money we don't have (maybe china will lend us some more?) anymore forcing in many cases good hard working people out.

It's already happening around here without an army to do it. A detention facility opened for illegal immigrants arrested on various charges and awaiting deportation. Many of the Hispanic businesses are dying off and there were layoffs in businesses that didn't many questions. Without the ability to get a job, illegal immigrants don't have much of a reason to come here.

Your solution has been tried before and it has failed so badly that few are willing to back blanket amnesty programs. The only reason to do it is get the "right" kind of people as new voters so they can vote in more immigrants.

Seriously you think without an army they can comb the entire country round up and deport each and every person that does not hold legal status in the US? The sheer amount of time and money involved would make d-day look easy. Yes detention facilities work great, round them up and hold them there till there are deported while we're all paying for it all! I'm all for rooting out the criminals and sending them packing but the average person that's just trying to make a living? If they can and will work, pay taxes and adapt to the country why should they be forced out? True they didn't come in the "right way" but there isn't any right way to come in if you just want a job? You sure those businesses dying off had nothing to do with the recession? Last time I checked it wasn't the small "Hispanic businesses" that where exploiting undocumented workers all over, although am sure it's happened. It's the big faceless ones that happily tosses out their old workers like rubbish then have ICE pick them up while we the tax payer pay to have them removed.

My solution if you actually read what I had written wasn't to just roll over and say ok come on in and bring your whole tribe with you. It was actually looking at this form a human perspective instead of the us and them mentality that's all too easy to adopt.

[aidan80 9]

I think that the Americans who are knowingly hiring illegals should be held accountable. I have more disdain for them than I do for the illegals. Crack down on the American violaters, problem solved.

Exactly, American companies here are exploiting the situation and the law by hiring people they know don't hold the correct documents. They have nothing to lose in fact it gives them more power over their workers. Could you imagine working and having a boss that might actually have you kicked out of the country if you weren't up to scratch? It's a human rights abuse, in this day and age in this country that companies get away with borderline slavery is insanity.

the race to the bottom is accelerating.

No, the race out is accelerating. We hit the bottom when bush stole the first election...

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I have a great idea for immigration reform. How about making it easier for those who are following the law instead of busting their balls every step of the way??

[spookyturtle 9,465]

How about if we deport the US citizen that knowingly hires an illegal?

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

I think that the Americans who are knowingly hiring illegals should be held accountable. I have more disdain for them than I do for the illegals. Crack down on the American violaters, problem solved.

[Aubrey 10]

I do agree with the calls for e-verify. It would probably cut down on identity theft in general, not just illegals "borrowing" SS#'s.

I have so many problems with all of the calls for immigration "reform." The main problem is that it deals with illegals before legals (e.g. all of us here who have suffered through USCIS's insanity). The path to legal immigration is difficult, expensive, or impossible for many -- often when they're precisely the immigrants we WANT to bring into our country (professionals, educated, and others who will contribute to society -- reducing our need to ship jobs overseas to those professionals).

We also need a REAL migrant visa program for sustaining the workers on America's farms and ranches (one of the few things I agreed with George W. on, in fact). Picking up day laborers doesn't cut it - you need long-term workers that can be trained, and frankly there aren't a lot of Americans who are willing to work that hard for so little pay. We benefit from low grocery prices, and they benefit by going home after harvest. We cut down on people trying to illegally cross, they pay taxes. Don't make it so difficult to prove the need for these industries that they have difficulty finding labor.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I think that the Americans who are knowingly hiring illegals should be held accountable. I have more disdain for them than I do for the illegals. Crack down on the American violaters, problem solved.

If they did that here, Dunkin' Donuts would go out of business.

[alienlovechild 75]

Seriously you think without an army they can comb the entire country round up and deport each and every person that does not hold legal status in the US? The sheer amount of time and money involved would make d-day look easy. Yes detention facilities work great, round them up and hold them there till there are deported while we're all paying for it all! I'm all for rooting out the criminals and sending them packing but the average person that's just trying to make a living? If they can and will work, pay taxes and adapt to the country why should they be forced out? True they didn't come in the "right way" but there isn't any right way to come in if you just want a job? You sure those businesses dying off had nothing to do with the recession? Last time I checked it wasn't the small "Hispanic businesses" that where exploiting undocumented workers all over, although am sure it's happened. It's the big faceless ones that happily tosses out their old workers like rubbish then have ICE pick them up while we the tax payer pay to have them removed.

My solution if you actually read what I had written wasn't to just roll over and say ok come on in and bring your whole tribe with you. It was actually looking at this form a human perspective instead of the us and them mentality that's all too easy to adopt.

Nobody said we could deport all of them any more than we can stop all crime in this country. You have no idea how much it costs to police, have courts and run prisons but it happens because it a problem. Same thing goes for illegal immigration on a lower scale though. Americans are willing to do it and this has been building for the last 30 years. If it that clears out the worst elements and deters new illegals maybe we really can consider *gasp* amnesty when the situation is under control and the public goes for it.

Every country sets their own immigration standards- not the people who want to come in. I can hardly to go Ireland and make demands especially if couple million people follow me in.

I do know the local demographics and local economics and the recession did have an effect but Hispanic businesses were hit hardiest here and everyone know it. Last time I checked, it was those big, faceless corporations that hired them so it's fitting they fire them in a slowdown. "Exploiting" "undocument" (what a term) workers? You really believe illegal immigrants are so dumb they'd travel thousands of miles to work for less than they make in their native country. You cannot possibly be serious or you've got no idea about the conditions in Latin America for example.

You would have us roll over and get ready for the next wave because that's what happened before. When you don't do anything beyond getting rid of the criminals, you still don't stop the next wave.

Edited November 14, 2009 by alienlovechild

[Heracles 417]

The UK's solution makes a lot of sense. This is how a country enforces and should enforce the law. It's not rocket science.

* If employers are found to have knowingly hired illegal workers they could incur an unlimited fine and be sent to prison for up to two years.

* Bosses caught employing illegal workers could face a £10,000 ($16.6K USD)on the spot fine. Previously the maximum was £5,000.

Selling out Americans for a profit, during the worst recession since the depression, should be grounds for charges of treason. These businesses and bosses should be named and shamed.

The problem with another amnesty is that it does nothing to stop the problem. If anyone thinks that allowing millions of uneducated / unskilled poor folk to continue to enter a country, at a time manufacturing is going the way of the dodo bird is somehow good fort the country, then need to stop smocking the crack.

Edited November 14, 2009 by Booyah!

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

I think that the Americans who are knowingly hiring illegals should be held accountable. I have more disdain for them than I do for the illegals. Crack down on the American violaters, problem solved.

If they did that here, Dunkin' Donuts would go out of business.

we're gonna deport the cops?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I think that the Americans who are knowingly hiring illegals should be held accountable. I have more disdain for them than I do for the illegals. Crack down on the American violaters, problem solved.

If they did that here, Dunkin' Donuts would go out of business.

we're gonna deport the cops?

No, but with no donut shops, the cops might be in better physical condition.