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[nowhereman 1]

Some studies seem to show a marginal benefit but others show the reverse. These studies become even less meaningful when you compare the US to a selection of countries that do not allow the death penalty at all and their murder rates compared with murder rates in the US.

One must keep in mind that those countries have a different demographic of people. You cannot possibly expect a group of people who have recently come out of the stone ages to behave (overnight) like a civilization that have not been savages for thousands of years. Therefore, what works on one will not work on another. Most westernized nations went through a period of brutal punishment and eventually got the point. Crime = death. As a result, most no longer need visual punishment to illustrate the consequences of committing crime.

Not that hard to fathom really.

BY, this has to be one of your stupidest posts ever - and that's quite an achievement.

I've seen a lot worse

[Joseph & Ana 0]

What data are you going by MC?

There are a lot of studies on the death penalty and murder rates. None of them give any clear indication that there is a cause/effect correlation between having the death penalty as a form of punishment rather than a prolonged period of time in prison.

Some studies seem to show a marginal benefit but others show the reverse. These studies become even less meaningful when you compare the US to a selection of countries that do not allow the death penalty at all and their murder rates compared with murder rates in the US.

Without a clear deterrent effect the validity of using the death penalty is very shaky, particularly if you then take into account the number of prisoners who are put to death who are then subsequently proven to have been innocent and the practicality of killing people in the name of the state as well as the not insubstantial financial costs of trying such a case to the point of execution.

MC - You've still not posted said studies. You also have not proven that sooo many people have been executed and later found guilty.

[Peikko 1,575]

Joe, could it be that not everything I have ever read is available via google? Think about it. Needless to say, if you want an overview you could try google, but bear in mind that whatever studies pop up, they are not going to be in order of importance or validity. That you have to do for yourself.

Edited November 16, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[Danno 1,228]

What data are you going by MC?

There are a lot of studies on the death penalty and murder rates. None of them give any clear indication that there is a cause/effect correlation between having the death penalty as a form of punishment rather than a prolonged period of time in prison.

Some studies seem to show a marginal benefit but others show the reverse. These studies become even less meaningful when you compare the US to a selection of countries that do not allow the death penalty at all and their murder rates compared with murder rates in the US.

Without a clear deterrent effect the validity of using the death penalty is very shaky, particularly if you then take into account the number of prisoners who are put to death who are then subsequently proven to have been innocent and the practicality of killing people in the name of the state as well as the not insubstantial financial costs of trying such a case to the point of execution.

MC - You've still not posted said studies. You also have not proven that sooo many people have been executed and later found guilty.

Seems every day of every week we see these clear death penalty cases.

A minute ago they just recovered the body of a five yr old girl.... after her mother pimped her out for sex.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/21626929/detail.html

MC with all these innocent people getting lynched by the state.... one would have thought you would have posted a few examples.

[Peikko 1,575]

What data are you going by MC?

There are a lot of studies on the death penalty and murder rates. None of them give any clear indication that there is a cause/effect correlation between having the death penalty as a form of punishment rather than a prolonged period of time in prison.

Some studies seem to show a marginal benefit but others show the reverse. These studies become even less meaningful when you compare the US to a selection of countries that do not allow the death penalty at all and their murder rates compared with murder rates in the US.

Without a clear deterrent effect the validity of using the death penalty is very shaky, particularly if you then take into account the number of prisoners who are put to death who are then subsequently proven to have been innocent and the practicality of killing people in the name of the state as well as the not insubstantial financial costs of trying such a case to the point of execution.

MC - You've still not posted said studies. You also have not proven that sooo many people have been executed and later found guilty.

Seems every day of every week we see these clear death penalty cases.

A minute ago they just recovered the body of a five yr old girl.... after her mother pimped her out for sex.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/21626929/detail.html

MC with all these innocent people getting lynched by the state.... one would have thought you would have posted a few examples.

Danno, I see a new career path for you, state prosecutor.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Joe, could it be that not everything I have ever read is available via google? Think about it. Needless to say, if you want an overview you could try google, but bear in mind that whatever studies pop up, they are not going to be in order of importance or validity. That you have to do for yourself.

So, let me get this straight:

You make assertions, don't back them up, get called on it, and tell everyone else to go do the research? I guess that elitism really isn't so elite now is it?

[Peikko 1,575]

Joe, could it be that not everything I have ever read is available via google? Think about it. Needless to say, if you want an overview you could try google, but bear in mind that whatever studies pop up, they are not going to be in order of importance or validity. That you have to do for yourself.

So, let me get this straight:

You make assertions, don't back them up, get called on it, and tell everyone else to go do the research? I guess that elitism really isn't so elite now is it?

I don't really care if you research it or not Joe. It is entirely up to you.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Joe, could it be that not everything I have ever read is available via google? Think about it. Needless to say, if you want an overview you could try google, but bear in mind that whatever studies pop up, they are not going to be in order of importance or validity. That you have to do for yourself.

So, let me get this straight:

You make assertions, don't back them up, get called on it, and tell everyone else to go do the research? I guess that elitism really isn't so elite now is it?

I don't really care if you research it or not Joe. It is entirely up to you.

Ok, then you've invalidated any comments you made about research studies and how so many innocents have been executed. I don't need to do your homework for you.

[nowhereman 1]

Joe, could it be that not everything I have ever read is available via google? Think about it. Needless to say, if you want an overview you could try google, but bear in mind that whatever studies pop up, they are not going to be in order of importance or validity. That you have to do for yourself.

So, let me get this straight:

You make assertions, don't back them up, get called on it, and tell everyone else to go do the research? I guess that elitism really isn't so elite now is it?

I don't really care if you research it or not Joe. It is entirely up to you.

Ok, then you've invalidated any comments you made about research studies and how so many innocents have been executed. I don't need to do your homework for you.

You really shouldn't be the person pointing out this fact... it's like Chris Brown being the spokesperson for Domestic Abuse or Michael Vick the poster child for PETA.

[HAL 9000 96]

So when is the cherry going to get popped?

[Peikko 1,575]

Joe, could it be that not everything I have ever read is available via google? Think about it. Needless to say, if you want an overview you could try google, but bear in mind that whatever studies pop up, they are not going to be in order of importance or validity. That you have to do for yourself.

So, let me get this straight:

You make assertions, don't back them up, get called on it, and tell everyone else to go do the research? I guess that elitism really isn't so elite now is it?

I don't really care if you research it or not Joe. It is entirely up to you.

Ok, then you've invalidated any comments you made about research studies and how so many innocents have been executed. I don't need to do your homework for you.

No, they are not invalid simply because you or I say one thing or another. They are valid if they are valid and not if they are not.

[Heracles 417]

Joe, could it be that not everything I have ever read is available via google? Think about it. Needless to say, if you want an overview you could try google, but bear in mind that whatever studies pop up, they are not going to be in order of importance or validity. That you have to do for yourself.

So, let me get this straight:

You make assertions, don't back them up, get called on it, and tell everyone else to go do the research? I guess that elitism really isn't so elite now is it?

I'd say checkmate.

[Danno 1,228]

Joe, could it be that not everything I have ever read is available via google? Think about it. Needless to say, if you want an overview you could try google, but bear in mind that whatever studies pop up, they are not going to be in order of importance or validity. That you have to do for yourself.

So, let me get this straight:

You make assertions, don't back them up, get called on it, and tell everyone else to go do the research? I guess that elitism really isn't so elite now is it?

I don't really care if you research it or not Joe. It is entirely up to you.

Ok, then you've invalidated any comments you made about research studies and how so many innocents have been executed. I don't need to do your homework for you.

No, they are not invalid simply because you or I say one thing or another. They are valid if they are valid and not if they are not.

No seriously, you spoke of Innocent people being put to death, can you cite a few?

I can name people who have been killed in hospitals by error.. yet we don't shut down hospitals... rather we work to improve safeguards and move on knowing a greater good is served to have hospitals open.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Joe, could it be that not everything I have ever read is available via google? Think about it. Needless to say, if you want an overview you could try google, but bear in mind that whatever studies pop up, they are not going to be in order of importance or validity. That you have to do for yourself.

So, let me get this straight:

You make assertions, don't back them up, get called on it, and tell everyone else to go do the research? I guess that elitism really isn't so elite now is it?

I'd say checkmate.

Pot calling the kettle black. You've got no room to talk on this subject BY.

[Heracles 417]

BY, this has to be one of your stupidest posts ever - and that's quite an achievement.

Cleo Cleo Cleo. This is not the first time you or one of the other handful of clowns who camp out here and have the exact same view on every single issue have stated this about something you fail to comprehend. Clearly that point was way over your head, so I will leave it to those who have a clue, or should I say IQ.

Just out of curiosity, assume we find a tribe in the amazon, who still use huts and practice barbaric rituals as their way of life. Do you believe within one generation we could educate them and integrate them into a western culture?

Pot calling the kettle black. You've got no room to talk on this subject BY.

Proof of this ongoing claim is where exactly?

Edited November 16, 2009 by Booyah!