What happens if I do not want to remove conditions?

[david'sgirl 134]

We are about 4 months from her exp date on her conditional green card. She is getting progressively more violent every day. I feel very abused every day! I can not even leave the house when she is angry, or she will destroy everything she can get her hands on. I have considered calling the police, but we all know who the police will take away if I do that. And, yes, at this point, I am actually afraid of her!

A lot of peope will not acknowledge it happens but women are just as capable of being abusive as is a man and NO ONE deserves to live thier lif in humilation and fear. Who says you need to wait for her visa to expire? Call the police, have her removed and if she escalates hey will arrest her and get a restraining order! You can file for a divorce and if you don't want to extend and keep ths abusive crazy woman then don't! Take a peek i your local phone book and see if there is an abuse hotline. They can give you more ideas and probably find you a good counselor and attorney in your area. Abusers do not change so you really cannot expect to change her but you can protect yourself. Good luck!!

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

Heh, ex-illegal immigrant is teaching US citizen how to screw a legal immigrant.... "Yep, destroying evidence and then lying to immigration judge that it was fake marriage is the way! Would be hilarious if she got that on cam heh"

sh18,

your post doesn't really warrant a response, but I will give you one anyway because I would like you to understand.

Firstly, if you want to make sure your car is car-thief proof, ask an ex car thief for advise on how to do that. The police does that, and so do the Feds. The emphasis here lies on "ex." That said, I don't really think that applies here.

Secondly, I don't advocate lying to a judge, and I believe the OP doesn't have to, as all I recommended is telling the judge the truth about his wife who he seriously is afraid of.

Thirdly, and this is main main point, while I generally wouldn't want to harm anybody, I have a special issue with psychos, and I'll tell you why:

Psychos are the primary source of evil and suffering in the world.

Example 1:

Suicide terrorists. A reasonable person would not strap several pounds of explosives to their chest and ignite that stuff in a school, hospital, shopping center, or bus. Being a Muslim and even being against US policy doesn't make people do that. Being not right in the head does that. You cannot reason with psychos who enthusiastically tell you about the virgins they can have fun with after their victims and they themselves are dead. These people are psychos.

Example 2:

The Army Psychiatrist:

Going into an Army center and shooting 13 fellow soldiers to death and wounding 30-or-so others is not the work of Islam, neither is it a misguided interpretation of its teachings. It's happened because somebody wasn't right in his head. It's not reasonable behavior, it's psycho.

Example 3:

My business partner's ex-wife.

She was dependent on drugs, stole from anywhere, went into prostitution, left her child waiting after school, drove under the influence of drugs with her daughter in the car and got into multiple accidents. At some time she dug with a soup spoon behind the toilet, already liftet and damaged tiles, while she heard voice coming from below. Being not right in the head does that. You cannot reason with psychos; they are dangerous not only to themselves but to others as well.

Therefore, I have a strong position against psychos, indeed. I take 10 illegal gardeners, pool men, and bus boys over one psycho as the harm this one person can do to society is much greater than 10 hard-working, yet undocumented immigrants do.

The O.P.'s wife clearly qualifies. Better send her back to Brazil before she does something that will make it into the news.

[Minya's wife 25]

Heh, ex-illegal immigrant is teaching US citizen how to screw a legal immigrant.... "Yep, destroying evidence and then lying to immigration judge that it was fake marriage is the way! Would be hilarious if she got that on cam heh"

sh18,

your post doesn't really warrant a response, but I will give you one anyway because I would like you to understand.

Firstly, if you want to make sure your car is car-thief proof, ask an ex car thief for advise on how to do that. The police does that, and so do the Feds. The emphasis here lies on "ex." That said, I don't really think that applies here.

Secondly, I don't advocate lying to a judge, and I believe the OP doesn't have to, as all I recommended is telling the judge the truth about his wife who he seriously is afraid of.

Thirdly, and this is main main point, while I generally wouldn't want to harm anybody, I have a special issue with psychos, and I'll tell you why:

Psychos are the primary source of evil and suffering in the world.

Example 1:

Suicide terrorists. A reasonable person would not strap several pounds of explosives to their chest and ignite that stuff in a school, hospital, shopping center, or bus. Being a Muslim and even being against US policy doesn't make people do that. Being not right in the head does that. You cannot reason with psychos who enthusiastically tell you about the virgins they can have fun with after their victims and they themselves are dead. These people are psychos.

Example 2:

The Army Psychiatrist:

Going into an Army center and shooting 13 fellow soldiers to death and wounding 30-or-so others is not the work of Islam, neither is it a misguided interpretation of its teachings. It's happened because somebody wasn't right in his head. It's not reasonable behavior, it's psycho.

Example 3:

My business partner's ex-wife.

She was dependent on drugs, stole from anywhere, went into prostitution, left her child waiting after school, drove under the influence of drugs with her daughter in the car and got into multiple accidents. At some time she dug with a soup spoon behind the toilet, already liftet and damaged tiles, while she heard voice coming from below. Being not right in the head does that. You cannot reason with psychos; they are dangerous not only to themselves but to others as well.

Therefore, I have a strong position against psychos, indeed. I take 10 illegal gardeners, pool men, and bus boys over one psycho as the harm this one person can do to society is much greater than 10 hard-working, yet undocumented immigrants do.

The O.P.'s wife clearly qualifies. Better send her back to Brazil before she does something that will make it into the news.

JustBob, stop telling people how to get around the law! The OP married his wife in good faith, I don't see anything to indicate otherwise. The woman has gone crazy now, that's a different story. Their marriage is ended, and they should divorce. Telling the OP how to "remove every bit of evidence showing that you guys ever lived together" is in essence telling him to lie. Further advising the OP to incite his wife into going postal so the cops could be called, and her alleged crazyness documented is again advising someone to 'lie'. This type of posting is against the TOS of this site. STOP!

[Chica Yeyé 41]

JustBob, stop telling people how to get around the law! The OP married his wife in good faith, I don't see anything to indicate otherwise. The woman has gone crazy now, that's a different story. Their marriage is ended, and they should divorce. Telling the OP how to "remove every bit of evidence showing that you guys ever lived together" is in essence telling him to lie. Further advising the OP to incite his wife into going postal so the cops could be called, and her alleged crazyness documented is again advising someone to 'lie'. This type of posting is against the TOS of this site. STOP!

WORD. The OP seems like a reasonable guy; concerned for his safety - and this should be our primary concern. What some are suggesting "get her to go ballistic and tape it" could potentially result in physical harm to the OP; so ####### bad advise, really, really bad advise.

As far as the immigration side of things; she cannot force you to apply jointly for the ROC; and she cannot apply on her own unless you folks are divorced.

PLEASE seek the help of competent legal counsel and stay safe.

[sh18 3]

JustBob, stop telling people how to get around the law! The OP married his wife in good faith, I don't see anything to indicate otherwise. The woman has gone crazy now, that's a different story. Their marriage is ended, and they should divorce. Telling the OP how to "remove every bit of evidence showing that you guys ever lived together" is in essence telling him to lie. Further advising the OP to incite his wife into going postal so the cops could be called, and her alleged crazyness documented is again advising someone to 'lie'. This type of posting is against the TOS of this site. STOP!

What she said.

[gogal2020 0]

This type of posting is against the TOS of this site. STOP!

And having an avatar of a duck cursing is Not against the TOS?

[Chica Yeyé 41]

This type of posting is against the TOS of this site. STOP!

And having an avatar of a duck cursing is Not against the TOS?

No, it is not. If you don't have immigration advise as it pertains to the OP's very delicate situation; shut up.

[Minya's wife 25]

This type of posting is against the TOS of this site. STOP!

And having an avatar of a duck cursing is Not against the TOS?

I will say that my avatar does not tell/advise anybody how to break or go around immigration law. That is what I referred to as the 'kind' of posting against TOS....and I don't remember addressing you in my post. I was talking to JustBob.

[rika60607 215]

Not so!

http://www.ilw.com/articles/2009,0924-lee.shtm

In order to remove the condition of her residence (being happily married to you all this time), you both have to file the I-751 jointly. Slightly simplified for practical purposes, she can only remove the condition on her own if you drop dead, or abused or divorced her. She cannot file for ROC alone unless one of the three aforementioned conditions exist.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

I will reiterate what other members have been saying - it is illegal to advocate any type of illegal activity - lying, misrepresentation, destroying evidence, mis-using immigration services - all of these are a violation of the Terms of Service for Visa Journey. Any further suggestions about how to misuse the current immigration system will be met with administrative action.

[Mountain Climber 186]

I did not call this fraud. His question was "What happens if I do not wish to remove conditions" I took that as.... "help get me out of the ^&%# situation I am in" and the way to get out of that is to remove the evidence that would allow her to stay in the country. That evidence is what will allow her to remove conditions on her own regardless of their situation.

B I N G O! I do not intend to divorce her. I have tried to talk with her about this. She makes it quite clear that the only way this would happen would be in an ugly court situation. Not going to happen! She feels I owe her 1/2 of everything I spent my whole life earning! And, she refuses to take any offers of a reasonable nature. She will only settle after one of those nasty divorces she has seen in the movies. And, she threatens things in my sleep, if I try it!

So, as I read it, if we are married we must either do this I-751 together, or she must request a waiver because she is divorced, and/ or prove abuse from the American citizen!

So, after her green card expires, what next?

tom

In California, she is only entitled to half of what was obtained during the marriage. What was yours before the marriage will still be yours. In addition, if there is a threat of violence, you can obtain a restraining order against and get her out of the house. In the meantime, I would file for divorce immediately.

[mrc 0]

In California, she is only entitled to half of what was obtained during the marriage. What was yours before the marriage will still be yours. In addition, if there is a threat of violence, you can obtain a restraining order against and get her out of the house. In the meantime, I would file for divorce immediately.

This.

I realize you're worried she's going to "go nuts" but if you document everything she breaks and damages, she will be liable for those assets (if they were yours before the marriage, she damaged your property). If she's unable to pay, then guess where it comes from? Her 50 percent obtained during the marriage....which is probably very little to begin with.

Oh, and since you're retired military, she's not entitled to any of that. She wasn't married to you for any percentage of your military service, so her percentage is zero! I'm a military vet of 19+ years (and still going).

Like others have stated, contact a divorce lawyer. Stand up to her. Maybe it's time you fight fire with fire.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

I will reiterate what other members have been saying - it is illegal to advocate any type of illegal activity - lying, misrepresentation, destroying evidence, mis-using immigration services - all of these are a violation of the Terms of Service for Visa Journey. Any further suggestions about how to misuse the current immigration system will be met with administrative action.

Kathryn,

It's not illegal for a US citizen to lie. People lie in church, when pulled over by a cop, when claiming to their children that they entered the marriage as virgins. It's only illegal to lie in a court of law, so that doesn't apply here. The USC is also not required to even go to any USCIS office, unless there's a court order.

Doesn't apply here.

It's also not illegal for an upstanding US citizen to destroy, for example, his own electricity, water, or telephone bills.

Doesn't apply here.

Finally, it's not illegal for a US citizen to withdraw any and all support for an immigrant. The USC is not using any immigration services, therefore he's not misusing them either.

Doesn't apply here.

Final thought: often the end justifies the means, and that includes lying. Prominent example from my philosophy studies (introducing Kant's categorical imperative, the nexus of morality):

Boat captain in the 1930s has several Jews hiding on board. When the Nazis enter the boat and ask him if there are any Jews on board (for them to kill), he lies and thus saves their lives.

Should he have told the truth?

If you don't think he should have, you just have accepted the premise.

As it happens, we don't live in a black-and-white world, and we don't live in a world that's always simple. Luckily we are equipped with reason, which is why we need brains to interpret what's written down. Otherwise, judges could be mechanical drones with one red and one green button.

Edited November 15, 2009 by Just Bob

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Just Bob,

Please read the TOS for Visa Journey. It is a violation of the Terms of Service for VJ to:

Condone or instruct, either directly or indirectly, others on how to commit fraudulent or illegal immigration activities in any way, shape, manner or method.

IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT FRAUDULENT OR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION ACTIVITIES

VisaJourney.com does not condone immigration fraud in any way, shape or manner. VisaJourney.com recommends that if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423. All reported threads/posts containing reference to immigration fraud or illegal activities will be removed from this board.

For more information on immigration and how immigration fraud affects all members of the immigration community please see USCIS.GOV.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...&page=terms

While you may not think lying is a big deal, lying to Immigration Authorities - which is what you are encouraging the OP to do by suggesting he implies/tells/suggests that his wife married him for fraudulent purposes when there is no evidence presented to substantiate the position - is called misrepresentation and carries serious consequences.

To use VJ to encourage the OP to lie to immigration and to provide him with suggestions on how to do it is a violation of TOS - and it is the Terms of Service for this site that govern your participation here, not US law.

This matter is not open to 'discussion'. The Terms of Service are very clear and you agreed to abide by the Terms of Service when you became a member on Visa Journey.

Edited November 15, 2009 by Kathryn41

[William33 110]

Last warning. Any suggestion to misrepresent, lie or circumvent immigration laws (or support it) will be met harshly. Visa Journey does not condone activity that sidesteps the law or immigration policy, set forth.

Further, this subject is not open for debate, you should take that elsewhere.

Thanks,

VJ Moderation.