Lou Dobbs leaves CNN

[Heracles 417]

Ah yes, but once again, you've taken someone elses facts and intertwined your opinion and trying to pass it off as facts. The fact is you can't simply apply population and crime rates from one country to the U.S.. It just doesn't work because there are so many other factors at play. You are making the simpleton analysis to try to apply that.

Excuses Rob; something the rest of the developed world (including Canada) is not interested in. Only people like you and your like-minded buds are. It helps people justify their incompetence and the status quo. EG, maybe if we mock Europe, Canada or Australia, that will mean they don't it negates their much higher quality of life. No it doesn't, it just makes Americans look like idiots.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Wait, your comparing a high density urban area with a low density country? Apples and Oranges dude.

If you want to compare:

US is 5.6 Homicides per 100,000 Which is still kinda of high, but when you take it into perspective with population density with the US has 76 people per square mile and AUS has 6.4 people per square mile Its not all that dramatic.

We have been down this road before Dan. Countries with even higher density than the US have even lower crime rates; with some lower than Australia. Neither population density nor socioeconomic status can explain the difference in crime.

Why do people insist on making excuses (or downplaying) for all of the country's perils? That is, rather than actually tackling them. In the end these excuses solve nothing, as they have solved nothing.

THey don't explain the difference for you because you refuse to even listen. Typical BY. The excuses as you call them are facts that refudiate your opinion. See what he did there?

There still has yet to be proof of Lou Dobbs being a racist.

Try watching his show sometime. You can watch archives, or wait until he's on Fox. He's normally very even handed, but when it comes to Mexicans, 'ol Lou gets all rabid and has to show his complete disdain for all hispanics.

Again "do your homework" along with no proof.

But then again, you never ever back up what you say. Because you can't.

You're half right Joe. I'm at work, and my employers block all streaming video, even already embedded video. So no, I can't post videos on here. That is why I told you to go watch the archives of his show. That's the best I can do with limited resources here at work. It wasn't intended as a "do your homework" statment, more of a direction to where you can obtain the information yourself.

Well later on tonight post it. All joking aside, if there is proof I will call him a racist.

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There are places with higher population densities that do have lower crime rates, but usually that is due to two reasons, better social programs to take care of the countries poor population, or two the rate is in a developing country where the public safety infrastructure is lacking or corrupt resulting in an under reporting of crime.

What explains the crime in areas of America that have a low population density? LA alone is hardly a metropolis filled with skyscrapers.

The fact is when compared to most other first world countries, the US has one of the worst crime rates. How can you sit there and deny that?

Then again, it's the same reason people sit here and flat-out deny that aesthetically, the US is probably one of the worst looking first world countries. Not to metion, also has some of the poorest infrastructure. Denial seems to be rooted deep in the country's psyche.

And yet billions are spent on "infrastructure" grants that never make it to fruition.

I was up in Rochester on the Labor Day long weekend this year. Beautiful area, lots of empty roads with tons of lanes. The roadways of the whole area seemed to be operating at maybe 10% of capacity.

I think the problem may not be that the grants don't get used, but that they don't get directed efficiently. Every Senator gets a piece of the pie regardless of the fact that some need it a lot more.

[Heracles 417]

You're half right Joe. I'm at work, and my employers block all streaming video, even already embedded video. So no, I can't post videos on here. That is why I told you to go watch the archives of his show. That's the best I can do with limited resources here at work. It wasn't intended as a "do your homework" statment, more of a direction to where you can obtain the information yourself.

Rob, funny how you were lost for words in the thread about a black professor soccer-punching a white female, during racial discussion.

Lou on the other hand, he must be hung out to dry; burned at the stake. How dare he speak up against the financial consequences or unchecked illegal aliens. I guess the rest of the developed world (including Canada) must just be racist too.

[The_Dude 1,142]

There are places with higher population densities that do have lower crime rates, but usually that is due to two reasons, better social programs to take care of the countries poor population, or two the rate is in a developing country where the public safety infrastructure is lacking or corrupt resulting in an under reporting of crime.

What explains the crime in areas of America that have a low population density? LA alone is hardly a metropolis filled with skyscrapers.

The fact is when compared to most other first world countries, the US has one of the worst crime rates. How can you sit there and deny that?

Then again, it's the same reason people sit here and flat-out deny that aesthetically, the US is probably one of the worst looking first world countries. Not to metion, also has some of the poorest infrastructure. Denial seems to be rooted deep in the country's psyche.

The first bolded sentence, cannot be denied. The U.S. has a very high crime rate. The point that I think Dan was making was that if you take into account population density, and compare, it's not quite as shocking as you like to believe. You always seem to discount population density and the overall gun culture here in the U.S..

If the U.S. had much more stringent gun laws, something along the lines of what the UK or Japan have, I really don't think that the crime rates would be nearly as high. At least not murders. But that is my opinion and really, I've searched for any sort of study on it, but nothing that can really quantify it. How could you?

The second bolded sentence is just your narrow minded opinion. You could say the same thing about Australia. A vast majority is a desert wasteland, so logically, Australia is mostly a wasteland. That seems to be how your logic goes on this.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

There are places with higher population densities that do have lower crime rates, but usually that is due to two reasons, better social programs to take care of the countries poor population, or two the rate is in a developing country where the public safety infrastructure is lacking or corrupt resulting in an under reporting of crime.

What explains the crime in areas of America that have a low population density? LA alone is hardly a metropolis filled with skyscrapers.

The fact is when compared to most other first world countries, the US has one of the worst crime rates. How can you sit there and deny that?

Then again, it's the same reason people sit here and flat-out deny that aesthetically, the US is probably one of the worst looking first world countries. Not to metion, also has some of the poorest infrastructure. Denial seems to be rooted deep in the country's psyche.

And yet billions are spent on "infrastructure" grants that never make it to fruition.

I was up in Rochester on the Labor Day long weekend this year. Beautiful area, lots of empty roads with tons of lanes. The roadways of the whole area seemed to be operating at maybe 10% of capacity.

I think the problem may not be that the grants don't get used, but that they don't get directed efficiently. Every Senator gets a piece of the pie regardless of the fact that some need it a lot more.

True. I know the money is being spent. Just not properly. And I'm sure its lining someone's pockets.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

There are places with higher population densities that do have lower crime rates, but usually that is due to two reasons, better social programs to take care of the countries poor population, or two the rate is in a developing country where the public safety infrastructure is lacking or corrupt resulting in an under reporting of crime.

What explains the crime in areas of America that have a low population density? LA alone is hardly a metropolis filled with skyscrapers.

The fact is when compared to most other first world countries, the US has one of the worst crime rates. How can you sit there and deny that?

Then again, it's the same reason people sit here and flat-out deny that aesthetically, the US is probably one of the worst looking first world countries. Not to metion, also has some of the poorest infrastructure. Denial seems to be rooted deep in the country's psyche.

The first bolded sentence, cannot be denied. The U.S. has a very high crime rate. The point that I think Dan was making was that if you take into account population density, and compare, it's not quite as shocking as you like to believe. You always seem to discount population density and the overall gun culture here in the U.S..

If the U.S. had much more stringent gun laws, something along the lines of what the UK or Japan have, I really don't think that the crime rates would be nearly as high. At least not murders. But that is my opinion and really, I've searched for any sort of study on it, but nothing that can really quantify it. How could you?

The second bolded sentence is just your narrow minded opinion. You could say the same thing about Australia. A vast majority is a desert wasteland, so logically, Australia is mostly a wasteland. That seems to be how your logic goes on this.

And the criminals with guns would obey these new laws even though they are already breaking 17?

We already know that the law-abiding-citizen will obey them. The question is, will the criminal? Who 9 times out of 10 gets the gun illegally?

[Heracles 417]

I was up in Rochester on the Labor Day long weekend this year. Beautiful area, lots of empty roads with tons of lanes. The roadways of the whole area seemed to be operating at maybe 10% of capacity.

I think the problem may not be that the grants don't get used, but that they don't get directed efficiently. Every Senator gets a piece of the pie regardless of the fact that some need it a lot more.

Infrastructure is not just about roads. They are just one small piece of the puzzle. The majority of the downtowns I have seen in the US, are in worse condition than Chernobyl. A city abandoned a good 20 years ago; after a nuclear disaster might I add.

So when a country beats their chest about F22 jets yet the actual country looks like #######, the rest of the develop first world laughs. Sure migrants from second and third world countries may still froth at the mouth but in reality they don't know any better, therefore, it does not count. Same goes with crime.

It's why you mock my view on Airports yet disregard that this is another piece of the infrastructure puzzle. The aesthetics of a place plays a significant role in quality of life. yes, being able to relax or shop while waiting for a plane does affect your quality of life. Hence, why every single other first world countries have modern airports.

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Personally, I care more about matching up capacity with actual demand.. and less about how it all looks.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I was up in Rochester on the Labor Day long weekend this year. Beautiful area, lots of empty roads with tons of lanes. The roadways of the whole area seemed to be operating at maybe 10% of capacity.

I think the problem may not be that the grants don't get used, but that they don't get directed efficiently. Every Senator gets a piece of the pie regardless of the fact that some need it a lot more.

Infrastructure is not just about roads. They are just one small piece of the puzzle. The majority of the downtowns I have seen in the US, are in worse condition than Chernobyl. A city abandoned a good 20 years ago; after a nuclear disaster might I add.

So when a country beats their chest about F22 jets yet the actual country looks like #######, the rest of the develop first world laughs. Sure migrants from second and third world countries may still froth at the mouth but in reality they don't know any better, therefore, it does not count. Same goes with crime.

It's why you mock my view on Airports yet disregard that this is another piece of the infrastructure puzzle. The aesthetics of a place plays a significant role in quality of life. yes, being able to relax or shop while waiting for a plane does affect your quality of life. Hence, why every single other first world countries have modern airports.

By I have to disagree. There are a lot of bad cities no doubt. But I don't think a huge majority of them look worse than Chernobyl.

There are really nice areas in Detroit even still. Of course the majority of Detroit is #######, i'm just saying.

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I don't even know what Chernobyl looks like

[The_Dude 1,142]

You're half right Joe. I'm at work, and my employers block all streaming video, even already embedded video. So no, I can't post videos on here. That is why I told you to go watch the archives of his show. That's the best I can do with limited resources here at work. It wasn't intended as a "do your homework" statment, more of a direction to where you can obtain the information yourself.

Rob, funny how you were lost for words in the thread about a black professor soccer-punching a white female, during racial discussion.

Lou on the other hand, he must be hung out to dry; burned at the stake. How dare he speak up against the financial consequences or unchecked illegal aliens. I guess the rest of the developed world (including Canada) must just be racist too.

Actually, I missed the thread about the Columbia professor. I had read about it, but I went home early from work that day. Sorry to disappoint you. The man was wrong, dead wrong. There is no excuse for hitting a woman, regardless of what race they are. Even worse, a man of that education level punching someone because he couldn't make an articulate argument is just sad.

I have a problem with illegal immigrants here. But there are so many other problems that need to be addressed. ICE does not have the capacity to do their own jobs. Most of the time when they are called to take custody of someone arrested and determined to be here illegaly, they decline. They simply don't have the personnel or funds. Would be much easier to prosecute and fund ICE if we had strict penalties for employers who hired illegal immigrants. But then that would be anti-business according to some. Mass deportation is not realistic, and full amnesty across the board is not fair to those who did the right thing and went through the process to legally immigrate. What people like Joe Araipo and what I gather you support is just as wrong. You can't paint all brown people as "illegal" and put the honus on them to prove their citizenship. The real problem is with the enforcement wing.

[Heracles 417]

The second bolded sentence is just your narrow minded opinion. You could say the same thing about Australia. A vast majority is a desert wasteland, so logically, Australia is mostly a wasteland. That seems to be how your logic goes on this.

That is rubbish. Has LA or San Fran ever won any international award for it's quality of anything? NO. Once again, this is just something else that I have already rolled you on. Let me refresh your memory. Refer to the following link that has three separate studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_most_livable_cities

While you are at it, you may want to look at the human development index; which ranks entire countries.

[The_Dude 1,142]

The second bolded sentence is just your narrow minded opinion. You could say the same thing about Australia. A vast majority is a desert wasteland, so logically, Australia is mostly a wasteland. That seems to be how your logic goes on this.

That is rubbish. Has LA or San Fran ever won any international award for it's quality of anything? NO. Once again, this is just something else that I have already rolled you on. Let me refresh your memory. Refer to the following link that has three separate studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_most_livable_cities

While you are at it, you may want to look at the human development index; which ranks entire countries.

I'm laughing out loud here and had to close my office door. You've rolled me huh? Come on BY, go get your Haldol and get back to reality.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

The second bolded sentence is just your narrow minded opinion. You could say the same thing about Australia. A vast majority is a desert wasteland, so logically, Australia is mostly a wasteland. That seems to be how your logic goes on this.

That is rubbish. Has LA or San Fran ever won any international award for it's quality of anything? NO. Once again, this is just something else that I have already rolled you on. Let me refresh your memory. Refer to the following link that has three separate studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_most_livable_cities

While you are at it, you may want to look at the human development index; which ranks entire countries.

Come on. They've won awards..

The quality of the weed and cocaine are second to none.