The significance of "allahu Akbar"

[Peikko 1,575]

Yes, he clearly is. Hallelujah!

[Amby 490]

I think Amby might be a terrorist.

I couldn't think if anything to reply that wouldn't get me suspended

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Sorry, not buying into the BS. No one in the US cares about sectarian violence that occurrs in Northern Ireland.

We're talking about what happens in the US, and if people say Hallelujia enough before killing people in order for it to be a tipoff as to whether or not it is a terrorist.

I thought we were discussing terrorism in general. Terrorism is an international phenomenon, you do yourself a disservice by limiting the scope of discussion to the US. I can assure you, the terrorists do not.

No we weren't talking about worldwide terrorism, but we can if you want. Again, how many terrorists shout Hallelujia before slaughtering people? I want references. Not a terrorist group in Northern Ireland which most likely didn't say Hallelujia before killing people.

Is there a material difference between actually yelling Allahu Akbar before shooting someone and simply shooting someone for Allah without the yell?

I'd argue not. It's motivation that matters, the yell itself is only relevant as an indicator of motivation.

And no one would argue that 'the troubles' were not motivated by religious differences (and yes, as Madame said, funded by "Irish" people in the US).

I think Amby might be a terrorist.

I couldn't think if anything to reply that wouldn't get me suspended

Quiet, terrorist!

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Sorry, not buying into the BS. No one in the US cares about sectarian violence that occurrs in Northern Ireland.

We're talking about what happens in the US, and if people say Hallelujia enough before killing people in order for it to be a tipoff as to whether or not it is a terrorist.

I thought we were discussing terrorism in general. Terrorism is an international phenomenon, you do yourself a disservice by limiting the scope of discussion to the US. I can assure you, the terrorists do not.

People in the US funded the violence that occurred in Northern Ireland. Is Joe really this ignorant?

What does that have to do with Allah Ackbar or Hallelujia? Bringing up obscure facts irrelevant to the discussion and then calling someone ignorant is just... well.... ignorant.

I always think its hilarious when tools like Joe try to speak for America.

Where did I speak for America?

[Peikko 1,575]

Sorry, not buying into the BS. No one in the US cares about sectarian violence that occurrs in Northern Ireland.

We're talking about what happens in the US, and if people say Hallelujia enough before killing people in order for it to be a tipoff as to whether or not it is a terrorist.

I thought we were discussing terrorism in general. Terrorism is an international phenomenon, you do yourself a disservice by limiting the scope of discussion to the US. I can assure you, the terrorists do not.

People in the US funded the violence that occurred in Northern Ireland. Is Joe really this ignorant?

What does that have to do with Allah Ackbar or Hallelujia? Bringing up obscure facts irrelevant to the discussion and then calling someone ignorant is just... well.... ignorant.

I always think its hilarious when tools like Joe try to speak for America.

Where did I speak for America?

You are ignorant Joe, every time you post you prove it.

What obscure facts?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You said, and I quote:

No one in the US cares about sectarian violence that occurrs in Northern Ireland.

[Amby 490]

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

That American "Irish" funded the troubles is well known to most of us, but "obscure" to Joe.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Sorry, not buying into the BS. No one in the US cares about sectarian violence that occurrs in Northern Ireland.

You've no idea what you're talking about joe, as per usual. Ever seen the Sinn Fein fund raising events in the U.S.? One of the best things Bush did was not allow Gerry Adams into the country to attend them.

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[nowhereman 1]

No i didn't lie about it. You're "proof" that I lied was "No i didn't" which was in reference to you saying I lost all credibility. I don't deny saying it, and I stand by my comment. Nothing to argue about.

Next topic.

I have you dead to rights & if you think you can wiggle out of lie with another lie you are very sadly mistaken. What part didn't you lie about? The part where you suggested that I (and others) defend terrorists? The part where I (and others) are anti-American simply because we don't agree with your extreme right views?

You picked the wrong guy & wrong topic to make offensive statements & then lie about. I am a Major who served in Iraq (and personally knew dozens of Muslims) & I work in Homeland Defense now. I rarely pull the "expert" card but on this issue I absolutely do know more about the topic than you do. If you are unable to separate opinion from fact and worse yet unable to stop yourself from making make slanderous statements I strongly suggest that you stop right now because you are embarrassing yourself.

Edited November 12, 2009 by nowhereman

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I don't need for you to agree with me that are negative generalizations in this thread. Being non-Muslim, I understand that you dont see them. I'm not the only Muslim in this thread who has responded to them. You just chose the wrong person to get hung up on because Im not interested in pointing out the obvious. Maybe someone else will if you ask nicely.

You began by making the assumption that I see myself as a victim. Now, you assume Im offended. I don't want to waste time addressing your erroneous assumptions about me, so, from now on, please resist the temptation to assume, thank you.

Well, Im a Muslim, a Palestinian and I say "Allahu Akbar" several times a day, so I must be a terrorist in training.

Allahu Akbar" means "God is great" and it part of the call to prayer broadcast 5 times a day all over the world. The bar for a Muslim being terrorist is pretty low, since a lot of non-Muslims are redefining our terms and practices to fit their fears and prejudices.

Actually, everybody who posted in this thread agrees that saying "Allahu Akbar" doesn't make you a terrorist. I guess you want to be seen as a misunderstood victim, but as far as I can tell, everybody understands you.

DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh, Lucky. If anyone sees themselves as a victim, it's you. No one on this board, not even Joesph, runs around from thread to thread defaming Muslims as often as you do. Check yourself. You see boogey Muslims everywhere.

Apparently you and SMR have a reading comprehension problem if you haven't seen any anti-Muslim remarks in this thread. Recognizing and acknowledging them certainly doesn't make me a victim.

Perhaps you could point to the criticism of peaceful Muslims that don't kill people in this thread. You're right, I may have missed it. But as far as I can tell, no one in this thread has tried to assert that all Muslims are terrorists or that saying, "Allahu Akbar" makes you a terrorist (other than you sarcastically).

As far as trying to understand Muslim terrorists as a movement and not as individuals, I think this is important to defeating this movement. Muslim terrorists worldwide attempt to kill people on a daily basis. Refusing to recognize that as coordinated movements and considering each attack as a separate occurrence is self-defeating and asinine. If the term Muslim terrorist offends you, I'm sure there are other reasonable terms; it's just to me the most logical term. I have no desire to lump non-violent Muslims into that term.

I said, "If the term Muslim terrorist offends you,..." That isn't an assumption (refer to the word "if"). Your original post states that someone is accusing you of being a terrorist. Since no one is, that to me is victimization. You're stating that people are accusing you falsely, but no one is accusing you.

I asked you to point me to the accusations against peaceful Muslims in this thread but you have failed to provide any.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Well, Im a Muslim, a Palestinian and I say "Allahu Akbar" several times a day, so I must be a terrorist in training.

Allahu Akbar" means "God is great" and it part of the call to prayer broadcast 5 times a day all over the world. The bar for a Muslim being terrorist is pretty low, since a lot of non-Muslims are redefining our terms and practices to fit their fears and prejudices.

Actually, everybody who posted in this thread agrees that saying "Allahu Akbar" doesn't make you a terrorist. I guess you want to be seen as a misunderstood victim, but as far as I can tell, everybody understands you.

DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh, Lucky. If anyone sees themselves as a victim, it's you. No one on this board, not even Joesph, runs around from thread to thread defaming Muslims as often as you do. Check yourself. You see boogey Muslims everywhere.

Apparently you and SMR have a reading comprehension problem if you haven't seen any anti-Muslim remarks in this thread. Recognizing and acknowledging them certainly doesn't make me a victim.

Did you not read my first post? The only person in this thread (I'm pretty sure) that thought Allahu Akbar was only for terrorists is Mrs. Cat. I don't see you attacking her.

You are playing the victim. When I verbally attack Islamic extremists you take it as an attack in Islam in general. You need to wake up.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Well, Joe (who perhaps didn't serve in Iraq), if you're going to be flip about someone's military service in a region directly applicable to this discussion, be prepared to be called on it.

I'm not flippant about his military service. I even comended him for it. However, that will be his new title from me since whenever his argument is shoddy, he trumps it with "well I served in iraq so that means I know more than you". Which on some things is true, he does. However, it does not apply to this subject as just as much information on the incident is available to me as it is to him. Anything else is conjecture. It was a terrorist attack, plain and simple.

MC, and Nowhereman (Iraq) have both given definitions as to what a terrorist is, and Hasan PERFECTLY fits that definition, but they double talk in the next post.

The issue is NOT if Major Hasan is indeed a terrorist or not; the issue is that you stated anyone who was reserving judgement until the facts were in is defending a terrorist & then you suggested those same people are anti-American. You then lied about what you said & reverted back to your old "you libs" defense because you are 100% wrong & have no actual defense for what you said. Any sane or reasonable person, regardless of political affliation, could see that you stuck your entire leg in your mouth on this one.

His argument has been consistent, Joe.

If you'd put your life on the line as a member of the military, would you take kindly to a kid shooting his mouth off about your loyalty to your country?

[Joseph & Ana 0]

You said, and I quote:

No one in the US cares about sectarian violence that occurrs in Northern Ireland.

Thats not speaking for them. Thats demonstrable.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

You said, and I quote:

No one in the US cares about sectarian violence that occurrs in Northern Ireland.

Thats not speaking for them. Thats demonstrable.

So the US wasn't a source of fundraising?