The significance of "allahu Akbar"

[Joseph & Ana 0]

You're right Sofiyya - I don't go around maligning muslims. Just the ones who kill people.

Just as McVeigh was a terrorist, so is Hasan. I don't have any need to make the distinction. They both slaughtered people for political (in Hasan's case also religious) reasons. There are wacko sects to every religion just about.

MC, Pike, and maybe even Guano would call me a wacko.

No you are just the guy who suggested anyone who wanted to know the facts was defending a terrorist... even someone who has served in the military, including Iraq, and has lost fellow soldiers to an IED. You lost any shred of credibility you may have had on this topic when you made those remarks.

No I didn't Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

We know enough to call him a terrorist. You're lock-stop-and-barrel 95% of the time with the anti-america left on this board. So you're the one who has credibility problems.

Here is your quote: You people (MC, Big Dog, Nowhere, etc etc) would just as soon defend terrorists who want us all dead than you would your fellow countrymen. Its sickening. I guess the message of Osama bin Laden and the Democrat party has been in unison anyway for the past 6 or so years.

Let's see you flat out lied about suggesting that I & other VJers would "rather defend terrorists than fellow countrymen", simply because we wanted to know all of the facts about Major Hasan's motives. Secondly as for being anti-American I have never said anything even remotely as offensive about the Republicans as you did about the Democrats above, so which one of us could be called anti-American? Do I need to remind you that Obama is OUR President... you may not have voted for him (just like I didn't vote for Bush) but he is the President of the United States and that even includes you.

You are dead wrong here & refuse to admit it because you are hopelessly close-minded. When I made the comment about being entitled to your opinion but not your facts you were foremost in my mind.

Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

30 years from now, you'll still refuse to call him a terrorist. You libs are all very easily predictable.

It happened on Obama's watch, so therefore it cannot be terror.

Its really very simple.

And yes, you libs and dems spend far more time attacking fellow countrymen than you do radical terrorists. And during Bush's terms the Dems and islamic terrorists echoed eachother with clarity.

Time to put your football helmet back on Joe. Here is a newsflash for you joe..... nobody in that thread was defending the actions of the major. None. He is a murderer no matter how you try to paint it. You got that? I hope so because i'm going to move on to the next point. MC, Nowhereman, Pike and myself were all saying virtually the same thing: Why rush to judgement with no facts? It would be prudent, and a better service of justice to see out the course of the investigation before meting his penalty. Why is it so important for you to rush to judgement with little facts in yet? You may think that it is obvious, but it's not. There are NO facts to support your claims.

Let me ask you this then. If this had been a red-headed guy who said the lords prayer or simply said "hallelujah" while coldly murdering 11 soldiers would you be so quick to declare him a sleeper agent for the IRA?

How often does that happen in the USA and how many cases have IRA agents said Hallelujia before carrying out attacks?

[The_Dude 1,142]

You're right Sofiyya - I don't go around maligning muslims. Just the ones who kill people.

Just as McVeigh was a terrorist, so is Hasan. I don't have any need to make the distinction. They both slaughtered people for political (in Hasan's case also religious) reasons. There are wacko sects to every religion just about.

MC, Pike, and maybe even Guano would call me a wacko.

No you are just the guy who suggested anyone who wanted to know the facts was defending a terrorist... even someone who has served in the military, including Iraq, and has lost fellow soldiers to an IED. You lost any shred of credibility you may have had on this topic when you made those remarks.

No I didn't Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

We know enough to call him a terrorist. You're lock-stop-and-barrel 95% of the time with the anti-america left on this board. So you're the one who has credibility problems.

Here is your quote: You people (MC, Big Dog, Nowhere, etc etc) would just as soon defend terrorists who want us all dead than you would your fellow countrymen. Its sickening. I guess the message of Osama bin Laden and the Democrat party has been in unison anyway for the past 6 or so years.

Let's see you flat out lied about suggesting that I & other VJers would "rather defend terrorists than fellow countrymen", simply because we wanted to know all of the facts about Major Hasan's motives. Secondly as for being anti-American I have never said anything even remotely as offensive about the Republicans as you did about the Democrats above, so which one of us could be called anti-American? Do I need to remind you that Obama is OUR President... you may not have voted for him (just like I didn't vote for Bush) but he is the President of the United States and that even includes you.

You are dead wrong here & refuse to admit it because you are hopelessly close-minded. When I made the comment about being entitled to your opinion but not your facts you were foremost in my mind.

Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

30 years from now, you'll still refuse to call him a terrorist. You libs are all very easily predictable.

It happened on Obama's watch, so therefore it cannot be terror.

Its really very simple.

And yes, you libs and dems spend far more time attacking fellow countrymen than you do radical terrorists. And during Bush's terms the Dems and islamic terrorists echoed eachother with clarity.

Time to put your football helmet back on Joe. Here is a newsflash for you joe..... nobody in that thread was defending the actions of the major. None. He is a murderer no matter how you try to paint it. You got that? I hope so because i'm going to move on to the next point. MC, Nowhereman, Pike and myself were all saying virtually the same thing: Why rush to judgement with no facts? It would be prudent, and a better service of justice to see out the course of the investigation before meting his penalty. Why is it so important for you to rush to judgement with little facts in yet? You may think that it is obvious, but it's not. There are NO facts to support your claims.

Let me ask you this then. If this had been a red-headed guy who said the lords prayer or simply said "hallelujah" while coldly murdering 11 soldiers would you be so quick to declare him a sleeper agent for the IRA?

How often does that happen in the USA and how many cases have IRA agents said Hallelujia before carrying out attacks?

Answer the question Joe.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

30 years from now, you'll still refuse to call him a terrorist. You libs are all very easily predictable.

It happened on Obama's watch, so therefore it cannot be terror.

Its really very simple.

And yes, you libs and dems spend far more time attacking fellow countrymen than you do radical terrorists. And during Bush's terms the Dems and islamic terrorists echoed eachother with clarity.

Should we start calling you Joe (who didn't serve in Iraq)?

Actually, I shouldn't make that assumption--that's something you would do.

Would you mind confirming that you haven't served in, or even been to, the Middle East? Also, see if you can keep the phrase "you libs" out of your answer. Just once.

Its irrelevant even if I didn't. Hasan didn't serve in Iraq either.

You're right Sofiyya - I don't go around maligning muslims. Just the ones who kill people.

Just as McVeigh was a terrorist, so is Hasan. I don't have any need to make the distinction. They both slaughtered people for political (in Hasan's case also religious) reasons. There are wacko sects to every religion just about.

MC, Pike, and maybe even Guano would call me a wacko.

No you are just the guy who suggested anyone who wanted to know the facts was defending a terrorist... even someone who has served in the military, including Iraq, and has lost fellow soldiers to an IED. You lost any shred of credibility you may have had on this topic when you made those remarks.

No I didn't Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

We know enough to call him a terrorist. You're lock-stop-and-barrel 95% of the time with the anti-america left on this board. So you're the one who has credibility problems.

Here is your quote: You people (MC, Big Dog, Nowhere, etc etc) would just as soon defend terrorists who want us all dead than you would your fellow countrymen. Its sickening. I guess the message of Osama bin Laden and the Democrat party has been in unison anyway for the past 6 or so years.

Let's see you flat out lied about suggesting that I & other VJers would "rather defend terrorists than fellow countrymen", simply because we wanted to know all of the facts about Major Hasan's motives. Secondly as for being anti-American I have never said anything even remotely as offensive about the Republicans as you did about the Democrats above, so which one of us could be called anti-American? Do I need to remind you that Obama is OUR President... you may not have voted for him (just like I didn't vote for Bush) but he is the President of the United States and that even includes you.

You are dead wrong here & refuse to admit it because you are hopelessly close-minded. When I made the comment about being entitled to your opinion but not your facts you were foremost in my mind.

Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

30 years from now, you'll still refuse to call him a terrorist. You libs are all very easily predictable.

It happened on Obama's watch, so therefore it cannot be terror.

Its really very simple.

And yes, you libs and dems spend far more time attacking fellow countrymen than you do radical terrorists. And during Bush's terms the Dems and islamic terrorists echoed eachother with clarity.

Time to put your football helmet back on Joe. Here is a newsflash for you joe..... nobody in that thread was defending the actions of the major. None. He is a murderer no matter how you try to paint it. You got that? I hope so because i'm going to move on to the next point. MC, Nowhereman, Pike and myself were all saying virtually the same thing: Why rush to judgement with no facts? It would be prudent, and a better service of justice to see out the course of the investigation before meting his penalty. Why is it so important for you to rush to judgement with little facts in yet? You may think that it is obvious, but it's not. There are NO facts to support your claims.

Let me ask you this then. If this had been a red-headed guy who said the lords prayer or simply said "hallelujah" while coldly murdering 11 soldiers would you be so quick to declare him a sleeper agent for the IRA?

How often does that happen in the USA and how many cases have IRA agents said Hallelujia before carrying out attacks?

Answer the question Joe.

No i wouldn't. Because it doesn't happen AT ALL - EVER.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Well, Joe (who perhaps didn't serve in Iraq), if you're going to be flip about someone's military service in a region directly applicable to this discussion, be prepared to be called on it.

[The_Dude 1,142]

You stil haven't given an honest response to my question. You seem to be operating under the delusion that Islam is exclusive to the realm of religious driven terrorist acts.

[nowhereman 1]

Joe you didn't address what I wrote at all... I caught you red-handed in a lie & all you came back with was your typical "you libs" garbage. You also make offensive & incendiary remarks about President Obama & the Democrats several times a day & yet you have the audacity to call me anti-American simply because I believe President Bush made poor decisions & policies that weakened our status as a nation? Please show one post... one... where I made similarly offensive remarks about President Bush or the Republicans.

If being a patriotic American means running your mouth, lying & making offensive/inaccurate statements then you are the most patriotic person I know.

Edit: As for whether or not Hasan is a terrorist apply the DoD definition I listed above & support your argument. FYI- Saying something to the effect that you have common sense & "libs" don't is NOT a supportive argument.

Edited November 12, 2009 by nowhereman

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Joe you didn't address what I wrote at all... I caught you red-handed in a lie & all you came back with was your typical "you libs" garbage. You also make offensive & incendiary remarks about President Obama & the Democrats several times a day & yet you have the audacity to call me anti-American simply because I believe President Bush made poor decisions & policies that weakened our status as a nation? Please show one post... one... where I made similarly offensive remarks about President Bush or the Republicans.

If being a patriotic American means running your mouth, lying & making offensive/inaccurate statements then you are the most patriotic person I know.

You didn't show a lie anywhere my friend.

[Jenn! 918]

Well, Joe (who perhaps didn't serve in Iraq), if you're going to be flip about someone's military service in a region directly applicable to this discussion, be prepared to be called on it.

Something a lib would do, really.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

You stil haven't given an honest response to my question. You seem to be operating under the delusion that Islam is exclusive to the realm of religious driven terrorist acts.

Here's a real lie. But you won't call it out when you see it Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

Never said it was exclusive - nor did i imply it.

Your #######-for-tat was poor, as you cannot give one modern example where a Christian terrorist shouted Hallelujia before slaughtering people.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Well, Joe (who perhaps didn't serve in Iraq), if you're going to be flip about someone's military service in a region directly applicable to this discussion, be prepared to be called on it.

I'm not flippant about his military service. I even comended him for it. However, that will be his new title from me since whenever his argument is shoddy, he trumps it with "well I served in iraq so that means I know more than you". Which on some things is true, he does. However, it does not apply to this subject as just as much information on the incident is available to me as it is to him. Anything else is conjecture. It was a terrorist attack, plain and simple.

MC, and Nowhereman (Iraq) have both given definitions as to what a terrorist is, and Hasan PERFECTLY fits that definition, but they double talk in the next post.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Here is your quote: You people (MC, Big Dog, Nowhere, etc etc) would just as soon defend terrorists who want us all dead than you would your fellow countrymen. Its sickening. I guess the message of Osama bin Laden and the Democrat party has been in unison anyway for the past 6 or so years.

Let's see you flat out lied about suggesting that I & other VJers would "rather defend terrorists than fellow countrymen", simply because we wanted to know all of the facts about Major Hasan's motives.

There you go Joe, he called you out and showed your lies. Just in case you forgot.... again.

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A terrorist is a guy with fleas in his beard, a towel on his head and bombs wrapped around his body. Superior ululating skills are preferable, but not necessary.

[nowhereman 1]

Joe you didn't address what I wrote at all... I caught you red-handed in a lie & all you came back with was your typical "you libs" garbage. You also make offensive & incendiary remarks about President Obama & the Democrats several times a day & yet you have the audacity to call me anti-American simply because I believe President Bush made poor decisions & policies that weakened our status as a nation? Please show one post... one... where I made similarly offensive remarks about President Bush or the Republicans.

If being a patriotic American means running your mouth, lying & making offensive/inaccurate statements then you are the most patriotic person I know.

You didn't show a lie anywhere my friend.

You are delusional!

Me: You are just the guy who suggested anyone who wanted to know the facts was defending a terrorist... even someone who has served in the military, including Iraq, and has lost fellow soldiers to an IED. You lost any shred of credibility you may have had on this topic when you made those remarks.

You: No I didn't Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

We know enough to call him a terrorist. You're lock-stop-and-barrel 95% of the time with the anti-america left on this board. So you're the one who has credibility problems.

You: You people (MC, Big Dog, Nowhere, etc etc) would just as soon defend terrorists who want us all dead than you would your fellow countrymen. Its sickening. I guess the message of Osama bin Laden and the Democrat party has been in unison anyway for the past 6 or so years.

If that isn't a lie then nothing is.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Here is your quote: You people (MC, Big Dog, Nowhere, etc etc) would just as soon defend terrorists who want us all dead than you would your fellow countrymen. Its sickening. I guess the message of Osama bin Laden and the Democrat party has been in unison anyway for the past 6 or so years.

Let's see you flat out lied about suggesting that I & other VJers would "rather defend terrorists than fellow countrymen", simply because we wanted to know all of the facts about Major Hasan's motives.

There you go Joe, he called you out and showed your lies. Just in case you forgot.... again.

Its not a lie. You would rather defend terrorists than fellow countrymen with a different opinion. That much is clear.

[Amby 490]