The significance of "allahu Akbar"

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

Well, Im a Muslim, a Palestinian and I say "Allahu Akbar" several times a day, so I must be a terrorist in training.

well you are a republican.....

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Well, Im a Muslim, a Palestinian and I say "Allahu Akbar" several times a day, so I must be a terrorist in training.

well you are a republican conservative .....

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[chicka 0]

It's a very common phrase that is not a jihadist battle cry so much as a general call to prayer and praise of god. Should it transpire that indeed the Fort Hood murderer shouted this out before he opened fire, should this add fuel to the terrorist theory or not?

Not being a muslim, I don't know what the average muslim feels about this. Any takers?

"Allahu Akbar" means "God is the Greatest". yes We muslims use this phrase to call for the 5 times of daily prayer. Saying Allahu Akbar does not mean its a key to murder and enter paradise, as some ignorants think. some hypocrates have misused this phrase and terrored people by suicide bombing and all kinds of other stuff, and yet they are called muslim terrorists. they are terrorists but not MUSLIMS. killing is going around all over the world, its all terrorism,, and these people saying "Allahu Alkbar" and start firing are also like those other terrorists. why judge the muslims with these people, since these people are not muslims,, they dont know about Islam, thats why they are doing such killings. if they knew about Islam, they wont be doing this and they would be muslims. Islam is about peace and is against killing innocents.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

You're right Sofiyya - I don't go around maligning muslims. Just the ones who kill people.

Just as McVeigh was a terrorist, so is Hasan. I don't have any need to make the distinction. They both slaughtered people for political (in Hasan's case also religious) reasons. There are wacko sects to every religion just about.

MC, Pike, and maybe even Guano would call me a wacko.

[nowhereman 1]

First of all everyone in this thread needs to be reminded of the difference between opinion & fact: everyone is entitled to their opinion but nobody is entitled to their own facts. Know the difference between the two!

1. There is a lot of discussion about whether or not Major Hasan's actions constitute an act of terrorism:

The Department of Defense defines terrorism as:

The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

- Form your opinions based on this definition or another credible definition, but please resist the urge to talk out of your butt.

2. Here is the Department of Veterans Affairs definition of PTSD:

Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is an anxiety disorder that can occur after you have been through a traumatic event. A traumatic event is something horrible and scary that you see or that happens to you. During this type of event, you think that your life or others' lives are in danger. You may feel afraid or feel that you have no control over what is happening.

Anyone who has gone through a life-threatening event can develop PTSD. These events can include:

Combat or military exposure

Child sexual or physical abuse

Terrorist attacks

Sexual or physical assault

Serious accidents, such as a car wreck.

Natural disasters, such as a fire, tornado, hurricane, flood, or earthquake.

After the event, you may feel scared, confused, or angry. If these feelings don't go away or they get worse, you may have PTSD. These symptoms may disrupt your life, making it hard to continue with your daily activities.

- Major Hasan never served in a combat zone so he cannot have PTSD. Granted being exposed to service members on a daily basis that are suffering from PTSD would be emotionally draining & perhaps difficult to deal with, but PTSD is not "contagious".

[nowhereman 1]

You're right Sofiyya - I don't go around maligning muslims. Just the ones who kill people.

Just as McVeigh was a terrorist, so is Hasan. I don't have any need to make the distinction. They both slaughtered people for political (in Hasan's case also religious) reasons. There are wacko sects to every religion just about.

MC, Pike, and maybe even Guano would call me a wacko.

No you are just the guy who suggested anyone who wanted to know the facts was defending a terrorist... even someone who has served in the military, including Iraq, and has lost fellow soldiers to an IED. You lost any shred of credibility you may have had on this topic when you made those remarks.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It might not be "contagious" in that sense but I doubt it can be claimed that different individuals process traumatic experiences in the same way. Its not something can be predicted with any degree of certainty.

[SMR 368]

Well, Im a Muslim, a Palestinian and I say "Allahu Akbar" several times a day, so I must be a terrorist in training.

Allahu Akbar" means "God is great" and it part of the call to prayer broadcast 5 times a day all over the world. The bar for a Muslim being terrorist is pretty low, since a lot of non-Muslims are redefining our terms and practices to fit their fears and prejudices.

Actually, everybody who posted in this thread agrees that saying "Allahu Akbar" doesn't make you a terrorist. I guess you want to be seen as a misunderstood victim, but as far as I can tell, everybody understands you.

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Thanks for the laugh, Lucky. If anyone sees themselves as a victim, it's you. No one on this board, not even Joesph, runs around from thread to thread defaming Muslims as often as you do. Check yourself. You see boogey Muslims everywhere.

Apparently you and SMR have a reading comprehension problem if you haven't seen any anti-Muslim remarks in this thread. Recognizing and acknowledging them certainly doesn't make me a victim.

Perhaps you could point to the criticism of peaceful Muslims that don't kill people in this thread. You're right, I may have missed it. But as far as I can tell, no one in this thread has tried to assert that all Muslims are terrorists or that saying, "Allahu Akbar" makes you a terrorist (other than you sarcastically).

As far as trying to understand Muslim terrorists as a movement and not as individuals, I think this is important to defeating this movement. Muslim terrorists worldwide attempt to kill people on a daily basis. Refusing to recognize that as coordinated movements and considering each attack as a separate occurrence is self-defeating and asinine. If the term Muslim terrorist offends you, I'm sure there are other reasonable terms; it's just to me the most logical term. I have no desire to lump non-violent Muslims into that term.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

You're right Sofiyya - I don't go around maligning muslims. Just the ones who kill people.

Just as McVeigh was a terrorist, so is Hasan. I don't have any need to make the distinction. They both slaughtered people for political (in Hasan's case also religious) reasons. There are wacko sects to every religion just about.

MC, Pike, and maybe even Guano would call me a wacko.

No you are just the guy who suggested anyone who wanted to know the facts was defending a terrorist... even someone who has served in the military, including Iraq, and has lost fellow soldiers to an IED. You lost any shred of credibility you may have had on this topic when you made those remarks.

No I didn't Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

We know enough to call him a terrorist. You're lock-stop-and-barrel 95% of the time with the anti-america left on this board. So you're the one who has credibility problems.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You began by making the assumption that I see myself as a victim. Now, you assume Im offended. I don't want to waste time addressing your erroneous assumptions about me, so, from now on, please resist the temptation to assume, thank you.

Well, Im a Muslim, a Palestinian and I say "Allahu Akbar" several times a day, so I must be a terrorist in training.

Allahu Akbar" means "God is great" and it part of the call to prayer broadcast 5 times a day all over the world. The bar for a Muslim being terrorist is pretty low, since a lot of non-Muslims are redefining our terms and practices to fit their fears and prejudices.

Actually, everybody who posted in this thread agrees that saying "Allahu Akbar" doesn't make you a terrorist. I guess you want to be seen as a misunderstood victim, but as far as I can tell, everybody understands you.

DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh, Lucky. If anyone sees themselves as a victim, it's you. No one on this board, not even Joesph, runs around from thread to thread defaming Muslims as often as you do. Check yourself. You see boogey Muslims everywhere.

Apparently you and SMR have a reading comprehension problem if you haven't seen any anti-Muslim remarks in this thread. Recognizing and acknowledging them certainly doesn't make me a victim.

Perhaps you could point to the criticism of peaceful Muslims that don't kill people in this thread. You're right, I may have missed it. But as far as I can tell, no one in this thread has tried to assert that all Muslims are terrorists or that saying, "Allahu Akbar" makes you a terrorist (other than you sarcastically).

As far as trying to understand Muslim terrorists as a movement and not as individuals, I think this is important to defeating this movement. Muslim terrorists worldwide attempt to kill people on a daily basis. Refusing to recognize that as coordinated movements and considering each attack as a separate occurrence is self-defeating and asinine. If the term Muslim terrorist offends you, I'm sure there are other reasonable terms; it's just to me the most logical term. I have no desire to lump non-violent Muslims into that term.

Edited November 12, 2009 by Sofiyya

[nowhereman 1]

You're right Sofiyya - I don't go around maligning muslims. Just the ones who kill people.

Just as McVeigh was a terrorist, so is Hasan. I don't have any need to make the distinction. They both slaughtered people for political (in Hasan's case also religious) reasons. There are wacko sects to every religion just about.

MC, Pike, and maybe even Guano would call me a wacko.

No you are just the guy who suggested anyone who wanted to know the facts was defending a terrorist... even someone who has served in the military, including Iraq, and has lost fellow soldiers to an IED. You lost any shred of credibility you may have had on this topic when you made those remarks.

No I didn't Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

We know enough to call him a terrorist. You're lock-stop-and-barrel 95% of the time with the anti-america left on this board. So you're the one who has credibility problems.

Here is your quote: You people (MC, Big Dog, Nowhere, etc etc) would just as soon defend terrorists who want us all dead than you would your fellow countrymen. Its sickening. I guess the message of Osama bin Laden and the Democrat party has been in unison anyway for the past 6 or so years.

Let's see you flat out lied about suggesting that I & other VJers would "rather defend terrorists than fellow countrymen", simply because we wanted to know all of the facts about Major Hasan's motives. Secondly as for being anti-American I have never said anything even remotely as offensive about the Republicans as you did about the Democrats above, so which one of us could be called anti-American? Do I need to remind you that Obama is OUR President... you may not have voted for him (just like I didn't vote for Bush) but he is the President of the United States and that even includes you.

You are dead wrong here & refuse to admit it because you are hopelessly close-minded. When I made the comment about being entitled to your opinion but not your facts you were foremost in my mind.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

You're right Sofiyya - I don't go around maligning muslims. Just the ones who kill people.

Just as McVeigh was a terrorist, so is Hasan. I don't have any need to make the distinction. They both slaughtered people for political (in Hasan's case also religious) reasons. There are wacko sects to every religion just about.

MC, Pike, and maybe even Guano would call me a wacko.

No you are just the guy who suggested anyone who wanted to know the facts was defending a terrorist... even someone who has served in the military, including Iraq, and has lost fellow soldiers to an IED. You lost any shred of credibility you may have had on this topic when you made those remarks.

No I didn't Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

We know enough to call him a terrorist. You're lock-stop-and-barrel 95% of the time with the anti-america left on this board. So you're the one who has credibility problems.

Here is your quote: You people (MC, Big Dog, Nowhere, etc etc) would just as soon defend terrorists who want us all dead than you would your fellow countrymen. Its sickening. I guess the message of Osama bin Laden and the Democrat party has been in unison anyway for the past 6 or so years.

Let's see you flat out lied about suggesting that I & other VJers would "rather defend terrorists than fellow countrymen", simply because we wanted to know all of the facts about Major Hasan's motives. Secondly as for being anti-American I have never said anything even remotely as offensive about the Republicans as you did about the Democrats above, so which one of us could be called anti-American? Do I need to remind you that Obama is OUR President... you may not have voted for him (just like I didn't vote for Bush) but he is the President of the United States and that even includes you.

You are dead wrong here & refuse to admit it because you are hopelessly close-minded. When I made the comment about being entitled to your opinion but not your facts you were foremost in my mind.

Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

30 years from now, you'll still refuse to call him a terrorist. You libs are all very easily predictable.

It happened on Obama's watch, so therefore it cannot be terror.

Its really very simple.

And yes, you libs and dems spend far more time attacking fellow countrymen than you do radical terrorists. And during Bush's terms the Dems and islamic terrorists echoed eachother with clarity.

[The_Dude 1,142]

You're right Sofiyya - I don't go around maligning muslims. Just the ones who kill people.

Just as McVeigh was a terrorist, so is Hasan. I don't have any need to make the distinction. They both slaughtered people for political (in Hasan's case also religious) reasons. There are wacko sects to every religion just about.

MC, Pike, and maybe even Guano would call me a wacko.

No you are just the guy who suggested anyone who wanted to know the facts was defending a terrorist... even someone who has served in the military, including Iraq, and has lost fellow soldiers to an IED. You lost any shred of credibility you may have had on this topic when you made those remarks.

No I didn't Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

We know enough to call him a terrorist. You're lock-stop-and-barrel 95% of the time with the anti-america left on this board. So you're the one who has credibility problems.

Here is your quote: You people (MC, Big Dog, Nowhere, etc etc) would just as soon defend terrorists who want us all dead than you would your fellow countrymen. Its sickening. I guess the message of Osama bin Laden and the Democrat party has been in unison anyway for the past 6 or so years.

Let's see you flat out lied about suggesting that I & other VJers would "rather defend terrorists than fellow countrymen", simply because we wanted to know all of the facts about Major Hasan's motives. Secondly as for being anti-American I have never said anything even remotely as offensive about the Republicans as you did about the Democrats above, so which one of us could be called anti-American? Do I need to remind you that Obama is OUR President... you may not have voted for him (just like I didn't vote for Bush) but he is the President of the United States and that even includes you.

You are dead wrong here & refuse to admit it because you are hopelessly close-minded. When I made the comment about being entitled to your opinion but not your facts you were foremost in my mind.

Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

30 years from now, you'll still refuse to call him a terrorist. You libs are all very easily predictable.

It happened on Obama's watch, so therefore it cannot be terror.

Its really very simple.

And yes, you libs and dems spend far more time attacking fellow countrymen than you do radical terrorists. And during Bush's terms the Dems and islamic terrorists echoed eachother with clarity.

Time to put your football helmet back on Joe. Here is a newsflash for you joe..... nobody in that thread was defending the actions of the major. None. He is a murderer no matter how you try to paint it. You got that? I hope so because i'm going to move on to the next point. MC, Nowhereman, Pike and myself were all saying virtually the same thing: Why rush to judgement with no facts? It would be prudent, and a better service of justice to see out the course of the investigation before meting his penalty. Why is it so important for you to rush to judgement with little facts in yet? You may think that it is obvious, but it's not. There are NO facts to support your claims.

Let me ask you this then. If this had been a red-headed guy who said the lords prayer or simply said "hallelujah" while coldly murdering 11 soldiers would you be so quick to declare him a sleeper agent for the IRA?

[SMR 368]

You began by making the assumption that I see myself as a victim. Now, you assume Im offended. I don't want to waste time addressing your erroneous assumptions about me, so, from now on, please resist the temptation to assume, thank you.

Well, Im a Muslim, a Palestinian and I say "Allahu Akbar" several times a day, so I must be a terrorist in training.

Allahu Akbar" means "God is great" and it part of the call to prayer broadcast 5 times a day all over the world. The bar for a Muslim being terrorist is pretty low, since a lot of non-Muslims are redefining our terms and practices to fit their fears and prejudices.

Actually, everybody who posted in this thread agrees that saying "Allahu Akbar" doesn't make you a terrorist. I guess you want to be seen as a misunderstood victim, but as far as I can tell, everybody understands you.

DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh, Lucky. If anyone sees themselves as a victim, it's you. No one on this board, not even Joesph, runs around from thread to thread defaming Muslims as often as you do. Check yourself. You see boogey Muslims everywhere.

Apparently you and SMR have a reading comprehension problem if you haven't seen any anti-Muslim remarks in this thread. Recognizing and acknowledging them certainly doesn't make me a victim.

Perhaps you could point to the criticism of peaceful Muslims that don't kill people in this thread. You're right, I may have missed it. But as far as I can tell, no one in this thread has tried to assert that all Muslims are terrorists or that saying, "Allahu Akbar" makes you a terrorist (other than you sarcastically).

As far as trying to understand Muslim terrorists as a movement and not as individuals, I think this is important to defeating this movement. Muslim terrorists worldwide attempt to kill people on a daily basis. Refusing to recognize that as coordinated movements and considering each attack as a separate occurrence is self-defeating and asinine. If the term Muslim terrorist offends you, I'm sure there are other reasonable terms; it's just to me the most logical term. I have no desire to lump non-violent Muslims into that term.

I said, "If the term Muslim terrorist offends you,..." That isn't an assumption (refer to the word "if"). Your original post states that someone is accusing you of being a terrorist. Since no one is, that to me is victimization. You're stating that people are accusing you falsely, but no one is accusing you.

I asked you to point me to the accusations against peaceful Muslims in this thread but you have failed to provide any.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Nowhereman (who served in Iraq)

30 years from now, you'll still refuse to call him a terrorist. You libs are all very easily predictable.

It happened on Obama's watch, so therefore it cannot be terror.

Its really very simple.

And yes, you libs and dems spend far more time attacking fellow countrymen than you do radical terrorists. And during Bush's terms the Dems and islamic terrorists echoed eachother with clarity.

Should we start calling you Joe (who didn't serve in Iraq)?

Actually, I shouldn't make that assumption--that's something you would do.

Would you mind confirming that you haven't served in, or even been to, the Middle East? Also, see if you can keep the phrase "you libs" out of your answer. Just once.