The significance of "allahu Akbar"

[Captain Oates 911]

Hallelujah is terrifying to me coz it means someone is reaching through the TV screen trying to get my credit card number and then sign me up for a 10% tithe for the rest of my life. That's my beer money we are talking about.

I have only one objection to Allahu Akbar and that is when I was staying in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. I got into the hotel at 3am and they put me on the 7th floor - I was straight level with the loudspeaker on the minaret so at 5am or whatever they started belting it out at 160 decibels and my brains have been mushy peas ever since

From a decent distance with the desert sun rising or falling, it is quite moving and melodious though - except as a battle cry.

Of course the christians are just as bad in using god during their murderous episodes. In one incident in the first war the Germans put up a banner saying 'Gott mit uns' or 'God with us' - the Brits put up a sign saying 'We've got mittens too' which is closer to my sentiments

Edited November 13, 2009 by saywhat

[Jenn! 918]

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I think you missed my point. First of all I wasn't suggesting that you're affliated with hate groups, just like moderate Muslims shouldn't be affliated with radical Muslims. My point was that right wing hate groups pervert the conservative point of view, just like radical Muslims pervert the peaceful teachings of law-abiding Muslims.

As for the FBI and Justice Department my point is still the same... they go after any group that promotes hatred, ignorance & violence. Doesn't really matter if it a reactionary right wing hate group, radical left wing hate group or a terrorist organization. As for your original question I thought I was addressing it.

Which prominent conservatives or major conservative organizations are giving excuses for violent far rightwing groups? Who's saying conservatives are misunderstood and that your ignorance is the problem thereby fueling rightwing hate groups justifications for their actions? Substitution conservative for moderare Muslim and hate group for Muslim extremist?

No you didn't address efforts by moderate Muslims to root out the radicals. No examples. We need people who can blend in order to stop terrorism in all its form before it happens.

I didn't get the handbook on how to root out all the radical Muslims Im supposed to know. My swarthy, Semetic looks nor knowledge of Arabic haven't been helpful in stopping terrorism. Ive run out of ideas, so I'll just go to dinner instead.

[nowhereman 1]

joseph has lost the plot

When all else fails, declare victory...on every page.

Yes and call anyone who isn't far right a "lib" just to emphasize the "victory".

You're a lib that is in love with Obama.

Victory is obvious. No need to emphasize it. When you start hurling childish insults (which is usually after your first response to me) its apparent that you're the one who has lost all credibility and obviously the debate.

Readers will draw their own conclusions, Young Jedi.

Yes. All who are not radical left wingers agree with me. Radical left wingers will foam at the mouth and hurl insults further proving the success

You can't even get the other far right VJers to back you & your entire defense amounts to "I'm right because I said so". You couldn't formulate a cogent point if your life depended on it.

I think you missed my point. First of all I wasn't suggesting that you're affliated with hate groups, just like moderate Muslims shouldn't be affliated with radical Muslims. My point was that right wing hate groups pervert the conservative point of view, just like radical Muslims pervert the peaceful teachings of law-abiding Muslims.

As for the FBI and Justice Department my point is still the same... they go after any group that promotes hatred, ignorance & violence. Doesn't really matter if it a reactionary right wing hate group, radical left wing hate group or a terrorist organization. As for your original question I thought I was addressing it.

Which prominent conservatives or major conservative organizations are giving excuses for violent far rightwing groups? Who's saying conservatives are misunderstood and that your ignorance is the problem thereby fueling rightwing hate groups justifications for their actions? Substitution conservative for moderare Muslim and hate group for Muslim extremist?

No you didn't address efforts by moderate Muslims to root out the radicals. No examples. We need people who can blend in order to stop terrorism in all its form before it happens.

I didn't get the handbook on how to root out all the radical Muslims Im supposed to know. My swarthy, Semetic looks nor knowledge of Arabic haven't been helpful in stopping terrorism. Ive run out of ideas, so I'll just go to dinner instead.

ALC usually has a point, but I just don't see it here other than he misunderstood me & got mad.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

joseph has lost the plot

When all else fails, declare victory...on every page.

Yes and call anyone who isn't far right a "lib" just to emphasize the "victory".

You're a lib that is in love with Obama.

Victory is obvious. No need to emphasize it. When you start hurling childish insults (which is usually after your first response to me) its apparent that you're the one who has lost all credibility and obviously the debate.

Readers will draw their own conclusions, Young Jedi.

Yes. All who are not radical left wingers agree with me. Radical left wingers will foam at the mouth and hurl insults further proving the success

You can't even get the other far right VJers to back you & your entire defense amounts to "I'm right because I said so". You couldn't formulate a cogent point if your life depended on it.

I think you missed my point. First of all I wasn't suggesting that you're affliated with hate groups, just like moderate Muslims shouldn't be affliated with radical Muslims. My point was that right wing hate groups pervert the conservative point of view, just like radical Muslims pervert the peaceful teachings of law-abiding Muslims.

As for the FBI and Justice Department my point is still the same... they go after any group that promotes hatred, ignorance & violence. Doesn't really matter if it a reactionary right wing hate group, radical left wing hate group or a terrorist organization. As for your original question I thought I was addressing it.

Which prominent conservatives or major conservative organizations are giving excuses for violent far rightwing groups? Who's saying conservatives are misunderstood and that your ignorance is the problem thereby fueling rightwing hate groups justifications for their actions? Substitution conservative for moderare Muslim and hate group for Muslim extremist?

No you didn't address efforts by moderate Muslims to root out the radicals. No examples. We need people who can blend in order to stop terrorism in all its form before it happens.

I didn't get the handbook on how to root out all the radical Muslims Im supposed to know. My swarthy, Semetic looks nor knowledge of Arabic haven't been helpful in stopping terrorism. Ive run out of ideas, so I'll just go to dinner instead.

ALC usually has a point, but I just don't see it here other than he misunderstood me & got mad.

True. He surprised me, too.

You've been incredibly reasonable lately. I like it

[Peikko 1,575]

There are no polls out that show what level of support the IRA has within the U.S.. I'm just going by my own experiences. If you think that Sinn Fein is just a political group and that they get a very small amount of money from a small minority of people in the U.S., you are deluded. The whole point of bringing up the IRA was to show the double standard when it comes to terrorism. How is it that Sinn Fein is even allowed to have fund raising events in the U.S.? Could you imagine Hamas being accorded the same treatment? What is the difference between Hamas and the IRA?

Try to prove a negative. Prove to me you didn't give money to the IRA yourself. See how dumb that statement is and multiply it by 300 million Americans that you claim potentially gave money. You only had the entire Internet at your disposal and still came up empty-handed.

Look Sinn Fein is the largest legal party in N. Ireland just as the Democratic Party is ruling legal party here. If you want to outlaw it go and do it and stop whining about its checkered past which I didn't deny. The neo-Nazis, Communist Party, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam are all legally operating in this country.

What's the difference between the IRA and Hamas? The IRA has been co-opted by the legal political process and Hamas hasn't been so far but they had to deal with the just as the PLO had to and vice versa. The American Muslim vote isn't as significant as the Israeli lobby so take it up with them.

You are so full of shite. The bolded is not even close.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

I think Amby might be a terrorist.

A sexual terrorist?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I think Amby might be a terrorist.

A sexual terrorist?

Armed with raw. oozing testicles!

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

I think Amby might be a terrorist.

A sexual terrorist?

Armed with raw. oozing testicles!

and a cookbook on over 100 ways to serve them!

[rebeccajo 14]

There are no polls out that show what level of support the IRA has within the U.S.. I'm just going by my own experiences. If you think that Sinn Fein is just a political group and that they get a very small amount of money from a small minority of people in the U.S., you are deluded. The whole point of bringing up the IRA was to show the double standard when it comes to terrorism. How is it that Sinn Fein is even allowed to have fund raising events in the U.S.? Could you imagine Hamas being accorded the same treatment? What is the difference between Hamas and the IRA?

Try to prove a negative. Prove to me you didn't give money to the IRA yourself. See how dumb that statement is and multiply it by 300 million Americans that you claim potentially gave money. You only had the entire Internet at your disposal and still came up empty-handed.

Look Sinn Fein is the largest legal party in N. Ireland just as the Democratic Party is ruling legal party here. If you want to outlaw it go and do it and stop whining about its checkered past which I didn't deny. The neo-Nazis, Communist Party, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam are all legally operating in this country.

What's the difference between the IRA and Hamas? The IRA has been co-opted by the legal political process and Hamas hasn't been so far but they had to deal with the just as the PLO had to and vice versa. The American Muslim vote isn't as significant as the Israeli lobby so take it up with them.

You are so full of shite. The bolded is not even close.

http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/gparties.htm

[Peikko 1,575]

In terms of membership of the Northern Irish Assembly, Sinn Fein isn't close to holding onto a majority of seats

Bear in mind also, NI uses a propoportional representational system

[rebeccajo 14]

Now -

I have a message for Joseph and ALC.

Neither of you know $hit from $hinola about the Troubles. Have you got that? Big time who cares if your Grandpa came over on the boat three generations ago!

Pick your terrorists, boys. IRA, UDA, UVF, RIRA, CIRA. Even stick the B Specials and the British Army in there. Run your little selves up and down Shankill Road and Falls Road. Omagh, Ballykelly, Londonderry, Greysteel.

Here's what you need to know - over 3400 dead. Protestant. Catholic. Men. Women. Children. Some blown up. Some shot. Some just.......disappeared.

The Troubles are about hate. They are about oppression. They are about stubbornness. They are about death.

They are about children playing in a room, hearing a blast outside, and looking up at their brother sitting on the sofa with his face blown off. They are about men picking up their wives and mothers from work being shot in the head while they waited in the car for the woman to come out. They are about bombs that went off in crowds. They are about snipers walking into pubs while men enjoyed a pint after work. They are about a bomb placed in the front of a business with a 30 second-timer on it, the bomber walking away without a word of warning to the wee girl playing in front of the shop.

When will you and others like you ever learn there are no good guys and bad guys? There are only the dead.

[Peikko 1,575]

There were no winners in NI, that's true.

Edited November 13, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[rebeccajo 14]

There were no winners in NI, that's true.

All Christian. Winners and the Losers.

For those who are keeping score.

Edited November 13, 2009 by rebeccajo

[HAL 9000 96]

I see.

Deer Joyce,

I see crazy people here, in this thread. What can we do to enlighten them?

Good question. I think Joyce is on tour (sponsored by Avon), but she'll certainly be glad to answer upon her return!

I think you can only say "Victory is obvious" in a robotic voice, followed by a series of beeps.

What is critically important is... if you are praising God or if you are claiming victory while breaking in those new toilet seats.

It's bad luck to claim victory while breaking in a toilet seat! One must be humble and appreciative.

And very, VERY true.