Huddled wretched homeless masses - welcome to America

[scandal 951]

We were in NY for the weekend, had a very nice time.

Took in a Broadway Show (West Side Story), Times Square, Central Park, Ground Zero, Wall St., Statue of Liberty.

Here's the famous inscription at the base of the Statue of Liberty by Emma Lazarus:

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

—Emma Lazarus, 1883

Apparently even back in 1883 those damn librulz were opening the doors wide and inviting all the riffraff of the world (huddled masses, wretched refuse, homeless ....) to come to the US. Amazingly - back then we saluted this concept of a generous and open America, and even put bronze plaques with librul words on the base of our national monuments! I wonder how many Americans today would agree with the sentiments of Emma Lazarus' words?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

... even back in 1883 those damn librulz were opening the doors wide and inviting all the riffraff of the world (huddled masses, wretched refuse, homeless ....) to come to the US...

And making sure they all voted Tammany Hall.

[Heracles 417]

That is all good and well when the United States had a thriving manufacturing base. What type of job do you expect the equivalent immigrant to acquire now?

Not to mention, have you considered the impact this has on the environment? Or, as per usual, is the impact on the environment isolated to corporations alone, rather than the 303 million living here that are sprawled out throughout the country?

Maybe you can even enlighten us with how allowing a large number of unskilled and uneducated workforce to enter the country that has a dying manufacturing base will help the already 10.2% that are unemployed? Which is not the true unemployment figure anyway. If you included the unemployed that are not classified as actively seeking work (aka not counted) and those underemployed, it would be at about 17%.

Edited November 10, 2009 by Booyah!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

What type of job do you expect the equivalent immigrant to acquire now?

Indeed, NYC only needs so many cabs and so many adult video stores.

[Heracles 417]

What type of job do you expect the equivalent immigrant to acquire now?

Indeed, NYC only needs so many cabs and so many adult video stores.

No time for jokes. I would like to know from Scandal, what sort of work the millions of unskilled and uneducated immigrants are supposed to do. I sure as hell bet that if the United States was to open the border to the millions of white-collar skilled immigrants around the world and flood a market that directly impacts himself, he would not be so kind to the thought of 'open borders'.

There is a reason why 126 years later, most developed countries have a modern yet strictly controlled immigration system. I do agree that the immigration system needs to be overhauled, but not to the open border point. What does need to happen is that certain restriction sneed to be lifted. Restrictions such as only accepting those with a bachelors degree or being required to have a job lined up before moving here. If the US wanted to go down the open border route, it could technically work if they made a deal with Europe, Canada, Japan and HK.

After all, there is a reason why the UK and Canada implemented Australia's points based immigration system. Just saying Not to mention (hello) ranked 2nd for the Human Development Index.

Edited November 10, 2009 by Booyah!

[Heracles 417]

My favorite pic regarding the slogan.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

We were in NY for the weekend, had a very nice time.

Took in a Broadway Show (West Side Story), Times Square, Central Park, Ground Zero, Wall St., Statue of Liberty.

Here's the famous inscription at the base of the Statue of Liberty by Emma Lazarus:

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

—Emma Lazarus, 1883

Apparently even back in 1883 those damn librulz were opening the doors wide and inviting all the riffraff of the world (huddled masses, wretched refuse, homeless ....) to come to the US. Amazingly - back then we saluted this concept of a generous and open America, and even put bronze plaques with librul words on the base of our national monuments! I wonder how many Americans today would agree with the sentiments of Emma Lazarus' words?

THey also had to come in legally - even then. So your post is BS

[peejay 327]

We were in NY for the weekend, had a very nice time.

Took in a Broadway Show (West Side Story), Times Square, Central Park, Ground Zero, Wall St., Statue of Liberty.

Here's the famous inscription at the base of the Statue of Liberty by Emma Lazarus:

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

—Emma Lazarus, 1883

Apparently even back in 1883 those damn librulz were opening the doors wide and inviting all the riffraff of the world (huddled masses, wretched refuse, homeless ....) to come to the US. Amazingly - back then we saluted this concept of a generous and open America, and even put bronze plaques with librul words on the base of our national monuments! I wonder how many Americans today would agree with the sentiments of Emma Lazarus' words?

In 1883 America wasn't the welfare state it is today. Unfortunately the USA has a 19th and 20th Century immigration policy mentality in the 21st Century. This is 2009...not 1883 anymore. The America of 1883 is gone.

No...immigration reform is not about mass amnesty for illegal aliens and making it easier for them to chain migrate all their relatives to the USA. Misery loves company...doesn't it? At least for librulz.

Immigration policy should be about growing and prospering the country for the benefit of the citizenry of the USA...not about improving the conditions of the multitudes of poverty stricken in the world at the expense of US citizenry. Immigration should be about what is best for America...not about what is best for the rest of the world.

High minded rhetoric on a plaque doesn't cut it in the real world. It may be inspirational, but it is not reality.

[Nagishkaw 510]

Immigration should be about what is best for America...not about what is best for the rest of the world.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

What type of job do you expect the equivalent immigrant to acquire now?

Indeed, NYC only needs so many cabs and so many adult video stores.

No time for jokes.

There is always time for jokes.

[Heracles 417]

In 1883 America wasn't the welfare state it is today. Unfortunately the USA has a 19th and 20th Century immigration policy mentality in the 21st Century. This is 2009...not 1883 anymore. The America of 1883 is gone.

No...immigration reform is not about mass amnesty for illegal aliens and making it easier for them to chain migrate all their relatives to the USA. Misery loves company...doesn't it? At least for librulz.

Immigration policy should be about growing and prospering the country for the benefit of the citizenry of the USA...not about improving the conditions of the multitudes of poverty stricken in the world at the expense of US citizenry. Immigration should be about what is best for America...not about what is best for the rest of the world.

High minded rhetoric on a plaque doesn't cut it in the real world. It may be inspirational, but it is not reality.

Well said peejay. Also common sense around the developed world.

Immigration policy should be about growing and prospering the country for the benefit of the citizenry of the USA...not about improving the conditions of the multitudes of poverty stricken in the world at the expense of US citizenry. Immigration should be about what is best for America...not about what is best for the rest of the world.

This is my favorite and quite a no-brainer. Australia's, Canada's, UK's, and the rest of developed Europe and Asia's immigration policies follow this line of reasoning.

These guys seem to think it's America's job to fix the world. Lets start with fixing the United States chronic poverty first and then worry about the rest of the world. Mexico, for example, is sure as hell is not worried about America or Americans, that's for sure.

Edited November 10, 2009 by Booyah!

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I actually think BY is right about the points system. Even in Canada's points system, however, family ties count for some points even though they're not all that counts.

[Heracles 417]

I actually think BY is right about the points system. Even in Canada's points system, however, family ties count for some points even though they're not all that counts.

The points system is fair and allows people to come in that are in need. It does not discriminate and allows a country to control their immigration. An example, it allocates extra points to those from countries with low immigration. It prevents one country or region from hogging the immigration system.

As I said yesterday, what I also like is that Aus etc does not force you to have a job lined up or even a bachelors. Currently the only way to enter the US under similar circumstances is by means of the lottery visa, marriage or illegally.

The US also needs a short term worker visa like Canada and Aus but with similar restrictions to avoid it being exploited. Where an employer must pay them the market rate they would pay a resident to do the same work. If they try to get around that they meet Mr Fine and possibly Mr Prison.

Edited November 10, 2009 by Booyah!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

... what I also like is that Aus etc does not force you to have a job lined up or even a bachelors. Currently the only way to enter the US under similar circumstances is the lottery visa.

Or a family visa.

[Krikit 1,165]

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