Anti-Muslim backlash coming or not?

[William33 110]

What is the Islam extremist connection to this "suicidal murderer"? Simply on the basis that he is a Muslim? I think not. This dude just snapped, just like all others that do so and murder indiscriminately. Religion is not the issue, insanity is.....

No. And you know it.

OK Rich, I'll play.....What happened then?

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

What is the Islam extremist connection to this "suicidal murderer"? Simply on the basis that he is a Muslim? I think not. This dude just snapped, just like all others that do so and murder indiscriminately. Religion is not the issue, insanity is.....

No. And you know it.

OK Rich, I'll play.....What happened then?

He answered the call to radical Islam to fight the Infidels.

Is he f-upped and wrong for this? Yes he is.

He is not a Muslim-American-soldier that never saw combat, who snapped from hearing stories about combat.

[William33 110]

What is the Islam extremist connection to this "suicidal murderer"? Simply on the basis that he is a Muslim? I think not. This dude just snapped, just like all others that do so and murder indiscriminately. Religion is not the issue, insanity is.....

No. And you know it.

OK Rich, I'll play.....What happened then?

He answered the call to radical Islam to fight the Infidels.

Is he f-upped and wrong for this? Yes he is.

He is not a Muslim-American-soldier that never saw combat, who snapped from hearing stories about combat.

Islam has nothing in play here....This is a US educated military psychiatrist dude that went sideways, for a number of reasons..In my opinion, religion was not a factor.....Who fu3king cares anyway, he should be dead.....

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

What is the Islam extremist connection to this "suicidal murderer"? Simply on the basis that he is a Muslim? I think not. This dude just snapped, just like all others that do so and murder indiscriminately. Religion is not the issue, insanity is.....

No. And you know it.

OK Rich, I'll play.....What happened then?

He answered the call to radical Islam to fight the Infidels.

Is he f-upped and wrong for this? Yes he is.

He is not a Muslim-American-soldier that never saw combat, who snapped from hearing stories about combat.

Islam has nothing in play here....This is a US educated military psychiatrist dude that went sideways, for a number of reasons..In my opinion, religion was not a factor.....Who fu3king cares anyway, he should be dead.....

I guess we'll disagree.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Iraq "Fragging" Trial To Open At Ft. Bragg

Staff Sgt. Alberto Martinez To Face Charges Of Murdering Two Senior Officers On Base

US Army Staff Sgt. Alberto Martinez, silhouetted inside the car at left, arrives at the pre-trial investigation hearing at Camp Arifjan on Oct. 31, 2005, escorted by security officers. (AP)

(CBS/AP) The court martial of the first U.S. soldier accused of killing a direct superior in Iraq opens Wednesday, three years after a suspicious blast tore through the living quarters of two National Guard officers.

Numerous delays in the case against Staff Sgt. Alberto B. Martinez have frustrated the widows of Capt. Phillip Esposito and 1st Lt. Louis Allen, both killed when a mine detonated outside their room in 2005. The trial judge has pledged to hear testimony on holidays and weekends, but the case is still expected to run through the end of the year.

"I never imagined that it would take more than three years to bring him to trial," said Esposito's wife, Siobhan, who along with Allen's wife has attended every hearing. "My life irrevocably changed. In an instant, I became a single parent and had to balance raising our daughter on my own while seeking justice for Phillip's murder."

Martinez, 41, of Troy, New York, is accused of planting the anti-personnel mine that detonated on June 7, 2005, in a window just outside the officers' room at Saddam Hussein's Water Palace in Tikrit. The officers died the next day.

Killing a superior was known as "fragging" during the Vietnam War. At an earlier hearing in Kuwait, a witness testified Martinez had said twice that he disliked Esposito and was going to "frag" him.

Defense attorneys have said in court there is no evidence linking Martinez to the killings. They also have said he was charged because of his feud with Esposito, a by-the-book West Point graduate who took over a relaxed National Guard unit. Witnesses have testified the two clashed over the sergeant's performance as supply officer.

The Army reported hundreds of "fragging" incidents between 1969 and 1971, but only four soldiers have been court-martialed or charged with killing a fellow soldier since the Iraq war began in 2003.

It's a troubling case from a military perspective because it goes to the concept of good order and discipline. This is why the military is seeking the death penalty.

Greg Rinckey, Former Army lawyer "From a military perspective this is a unique case, a soldier attempting to 'frag' his own officers," said Greg Rinckey, an Albany, New York, attorney who served as an Army lawyer for six years. "It's a troubling case from a military perspective because it goes to the concept of good order and discipline. This is why the military is seeking the death penalty."

CBS News correspondent Jim Krasula reports this is the first case of "fragging" in Iraq for the U.S. military. Martinez was reportedly unhappy after poor appraisals of his performance as a supply sergeant, adds Krasula.

Esposito, 30, of Suffern, New York, worked as an information technology manager in Manhattan and was Martinez's company commander. Allen, 34, of Milford, Pennsylvania, was a high school science teacher and the company operations officer. The Espositos had a young daughter, and the Allens had four young sons.

Prosecutors also charged Martinez with illegally giving government printers and copiers to an Iraqi, and illegally possessing a firearm, alcohol and explosives. Those charges won't be heard during this court martial.

Bringing Martinez to trial has been an arduous process, as defense attorneys spent countless hours trying to eliminate a possible death sentence. They won postponements, but failed to escape a capital trial.

The court martial is taking place at the sprawling North Carolina base because it's where the commander in charge of ground forces in Iraq at the time of the blast was based. The Army has set up a closed-circuit television feed at West Point in New York, but Allen and Esposito's widows are spending thousands to rent apartments and attend the trial in person.

Both women are expected to be among the first witnesses called by prosecutors.

"I can be in the courtroom and represent Lou," Barbara Allen said. "I can work to use this case to teach others what went wrong, and maybe prevent it from happening again. For me that is like finishing Lou's mission for him."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/01/...amp;tag=related

Edited November 9, 2009 by Sofiyya

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Martinez was acquited years after the deaths, but, at the time, emotions ran high, as they do now.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Yeah once you add that in to the equation you get this.

A figure I see a lot which I will use is that there are 6 million Muslims in America. So lets take the 19 murders and break them up as an average (I believe sandinista! said they were from now 2009 to 9/11). Since its November I think we can safely divide by 8 years = So thats 2.4 murders per year. So 2.4/6mill = .0000004. Now take the murder rate as a whole with the entire population thats 17,700/300mill = .0000590.

Quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised if there were more hate crime murders against homosexuals, african americans, jews, hispanics, so far and so on then against muslims.

America is a Murder Capital and is full of hate crimes...however I do not see a strong disproportionate level being raised against muslims.

the 19 figure is only through 2007. as well, you missed my previous link.

The interrogation and detention regime implemented by the U.S. resulted in the deaths of over 100 detainees in U.S. custody -- at least. -http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/30/accountability/

and while it may not have been murder, the savagery of the attacks committed against zohreh assemi and others doesn't make me feel all that progressive.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

One thing I find very ironic is this. US perceptions of Muslims are nothing compared to Japanese Americans in World War II or even worse German Americans in World War 1. I recently discovered that in my home town of Saint Louis (which had a high percentage of Germans hence. Budweiser etc.) a mob wrapped a German up in an american flag and burned him alive.

I'd say if the American Muslim population hasn't been interned or random people burned alive we can't be doing all that badly in comparison to the past.

yup, yup and yup

Some people play the victim very well.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Some people play the blame card very well as well. What's more they have cards hidden up their sleeve to conceal that they're really holding a different hand altogether

[Sofiyya 1,687]

One thing I find very ironic is this. US perceptions of Muslims are nothing compared to Japanese Americans in World War II or even worse German Americans in World War 1. I recently discovered that in my home town of Saint Louis (which had a high percentage of Germans hence. Budweiser etc.) a mob wrapped a German up in an american flag and burned him alive.

I'd say if the American Muslim population hasn't been interned or random people burned alive we can't be doing all that badly in comparison to the past.

yup, yup and yup

Some people play the victim very well.

You appear to be one of them.

[nowhereman 1]

Martinez was acquited years after the deaths, but, at the time, emotions ran high, as they do now.

As I recall Martinez was acquitted because the evidence was circumstantial. They have Major Hasan dead to rights.

One thing I find very ironic is this. US perceptions of Muslims are nothing compared to Japanese Americans in World War II or even worse German Americans in World War 1. I recently discovered that in my home town of Saint Louis (which had a high percentage of Germans hence. Budweiser etc.) a mob wrapped a German up in an american flag and burned him alive.

I'd say if the American Muslim population hasn't been interned or random people burned alive we can't be doing all that badly in comparison to the past.

yup, yup and yup

Some people play the victim very well.

You appear to be one of them.

Luckystrike it's people like you that perpetuate bigotry and discrimination against Muslims with your ignorant remarks. Major Hasan is a murderer & as information comes out may very well be a terrorist sympathizer, but that has no reflection on the vast majority of law-abiding American Muslims.

Edited November 9, 2009 by nowhereman

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Yeah once you add that in to the equation you get this.

A figure I see a lot which I will use is that there are 6 million Muslims in America. So lets take the 19 murders and break them up as an average (I believe sandinista! said they were from now 2009 to 9/11). Since its November I think we can safely divide by 8 years = So thats 2.4 murders per year. So 2.4/6mill = .0000004. Now take the murder rate as a whole with the entire population thats 17,700/300mill = .0000590.

Quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised if there were more hate crime murders against homosexuals, african americans, jews, hispanics, so far and so on then against muslims.

America is a Murder Capital and is full of hate crimes...however I do not see a strong disproportionate level being raised against muslims.

the 19 figure is only through 2007. as well, you missed my previous link.

The interrogation and detention regime implemented by the U.S. resulted in the deaths of over 100 detainees in U.S. custody -- at least. -http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/30/accountability/

and while it may not have been murder, the savagery of the attacks committed against zohreh assemi and others doesn't make me feel all that progressive.

Okay then that means its 3.2 deaths per year instead of 2.4.

Regarding your link, yes its a serious issue but its outside of my point unless you can show me that the majority of the 100 detainees who died were US residents.

[mawilson 2,133]

At least not much worse than before the shooting.

Probably not, but it's gotta be tough for Muslims (esp of Arab descent) serving in the military, however few & far between their numbers may be.

Muslims of Arab descent shouldn't be allowed to serve in the military on grounds of national security.

[SuperDuper! 230]

At least not much worse than before the shooting.

Probably not, but it's gotta be tough for Muslims (esp of Arab descent) serving in the military, however few & far between their numbers may be.

Muslims of Arab descent shouldn't be allowed to serve in the military on grounds of national security.

They already get additional scrutiny when petitioned for visas.

BTW, did the shooter shout that allah akbar slogan before shooting or not? CNN could not confirm

[mawilson 2,133]

At least not much worse than before the shooting.

Probably not, but it's gotta be tough for Muslims (esp of Arab descent) serving in the military, however few & far between their numbers may be.

Muslims of Arab descent shouldn't be allowed to serve in the military on grounds of national security.

They already get additional scrutiny when petitioned for visas.

BTW, did the shooter shout that allah akbar slogan before shooting or not? CNN could not confirm

Doesn't matter. They should not be allowed to serve while we're waging war in their countries

against their men - conflict of interest and all that.