Anti-Muslim backlash coming or not?

[William33 110]

What is the Islam extremist connection to this "suicidal murderer"? Simply on the basis that he is a Muslim? I think not. This dude just snapped, just like all others that do so and murder indiscriminately. Religion is not the issue, insanity is.....

[SuperDuper! 230]

According to news reports, the Major wasn't even registered as a Muslim in the military. He selected "No preference" as his religious affilation.

Oh, well that makes all the difference. Does it matter what osama bin laden registers as?

[sandinista! 1,816]

as well, there have been numerous acts of violence committed against muslims in the united states since 2001, because they were muslim. the number of deaths is believed to be 19.

does the sikh guy who was gunned down at a gas station because he was mistakenly thought to be a muslim not count?

Put it into perspective. In 2006 alone, there were 18,573 homicides. Multiply that times 8 for the last 8 years of war and 19 Muslims killed since 9/11 is pretty low by comparison especially with ready access to guns in this country. In any case, guys like MAJ Hasan have killed their fair share of Americans.

this has nothing to do with anything i was talking about. previously, sousuke made the comment that "if the American Muslim population hasn't been interned or random people burned alive we can't be doing all that badly in comparison to the past."

i don't consider 19 homicides and numerous other violent assaults in the last several years to be that progressive in comparison to america circa world war I era. no one's discussing overall homicide rates, or anything of that nature. that was not the topic.

I hear over and over that Islamic terrorists are not true Muslims, therefore not part of Islam. If that's the case why do people here on VJ (and the world) attack people who criticize radical Islam?

I've even been called a racist by these inbred retards. Hint.... Islam isn't a race morons!

why do you refuse to denounce the likes of frank roque here then?

[alienlovechild 75]

What is the Islam extremist connection to this "suicidal murderer"? Simply on the basis that he is a Muslim? I think not. This dude just snapped, just like all others that do so and murder indiscriminately. Religion is not the issue, insanity is.....

There's mounting evidence tha guy didn't snap and that he killed based on his religious/political views. He planned to kill as many soldiers as he could in an enclosed area after giving away his possessions that morning. He's not insane. An insane shrink. Hmmm.

"The major, a 39-year-old psychiatrist, is the American-born son of Palestinian immigrants. He vocally opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and seems to have moved toward more extreme religious beliefs in recent years, according to the investigators. Investigators have tentatively concluded that he acted alone and was not part of a terrorist plot."

"The San Antonio Express-News has reported that classmates in a graduate military medical program heard Major Hasan justify suicide bombings and make radical and anti-American statements. But investigators have said that Major Hasan might have suffered from emotional problems that were aggravated by the strain of working with veterans of combat in Iraq and Afghanistan and by the knowledge that he might soon be deployed to those theaters as well."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/us/polit...casey.html?_r=1

[alienlovechild 75]

this has nothing to do with anything i was talking about. previously, sousuke made the comment that "if the American Muslim population hasn't been interned or random people burned alive we can't be doing all that badly in comparison to the past."

i don't consider 19 homicides and numerous other violent assaults in the last several years to be that progressive in comparison to america circa world war I era. no one's discussing overall homicide rates, or anything of that nature. that was not the topic.

The topic was violence against Muslims in America yet I showed you there's very little despite numerous available weapons and heighten wartime tension over a prolonged period. There's plenty of violence to go around here in America so I wouldn't focus solely on Muslims to the exclusion of everyone else.

[William33 110]

What is the Islam extremist connection to this "suicidal murderer"? Simply on the basis that he is a Muslim? I think not. This dude just snapped, just like all others that do so and murder indiscriminately. Religion is not the issue, insanity is.....

There's mounting evidence tha guy didn't snap and that he killed based on his religious/political views. He planned to kill as many soldiers as he could in an enclosed area after giving away his possessions that morning. He's not insane. An insane shrink. Hmmm.

"The major, a 39-year-old psychiatrist, is the American-born son of Palestinian immigrants. He vocally opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and seems to have moved toward more extreme religious beliefs in recent years, according to the investigators. Investigators have tentatively concluded that he acted alone and was not part of a terrorist plot."

"The San Antonio Express-News has reported that classmates in a graduate military medical program heard Major Hasan justify suicide bombings and make radical and anti-American statements. But investigators have said that Major Hasan might have suffered from emotional problems that were aggravated by the strain of working with veterans of combat in Iraq and Afghanistan and by the knowledge that he might soon be deployed to those theaters as well."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/us/polit...casey.html?_r=1

Well, Psychiatrists can suffer from insanity....That may seem counter-intuitive, but is most assuredly possible. This dude may have snapped ( and he surely did), for many reasons. Deployment, fundamental disagreement with the war (imagine that), or some other reason unrelated to religion. No evidence suggests a deep seeded Islamic opposition to the USA or another radical approach. The dude lost it....It does happen you know.

*Edited for clarity.

Edited November 9, 2009 by William33

[SuperDuper! 230]

What is the Islam extremist connection to this "suicidal murderer"? Simply on the basis that he is a Muslim? I think not. This dude just snapped, just like all others that do so and murder indiscriminately. Religion is not the issue, insanity is.....

There's mounting evidence tha guy didn't snap and that he killed based on his religious/political views. He planned to kill as many soldiers as he could in an enclosed area after giving away his possessions that morning. He's not insane. An insane shrink. Hmmm.

"The major, a 39-year-old psychiatrist, is the American-born son of Palestinian immigrants. He vocally opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and seems to have moved toward more extreme religious beliefs in recent years, according to the investigators. Investigators have tentatively concluded that he acted alone and was not part of a terrorist plot."

"The San Antonio Express-News has reported that classmates in a graduate military medical program heard Major Hasan justify suicide bombings and make radical and anti-American statements. But investigators have said that Major Hasan might have suffered from emotional problems that were aggravated by the strain of working with veterans of combat in Iraq and Afghanistan and by the knowledge that he might soon be deployed to those theaters as well."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/us/polit...casey.html?_r=1

Well, Psychiatrists can suffer from insanity....That may seem counter-intuitive, but is most assuredly possible. This dude may have snapped ( and he surely did), for many reasons. Deployment, fundamental disagreement with the war (imagine that), or some other reason unrelated to religion. No evidence suggests a deep seeded Islamic opposition to the USA or another radical approach. The dude lost it....It does happen you know.

*Edited for clarity.

Mental health professionals are some of the strangest and weirdest people to work with.

FYI, they are attracted to the profession very commonly to understand what is wrong with themselves. THey can be OCD, MDD, BPD and ASPD!! Smart people they are, yes, but quite weird and difficult to work with. The insiders will tell you this is so true. IOW, THEY HAVE ISSUES.

Edited November 9, 2009 by Hopp

[justashooter 430]

Well, Psychiatrists can suffer from insanity....That may seem counter-intuitive, but is most assuredly possible. This dude may have snapped ( and he surely did), for many reasons. Deployment, fundamental disagreement with the war (imagine that), or some other reason unrelated to religion. No evidence suggests a deep seeded Islamic opposition to the USA or another radical approach. The dude lost it....It does happen you know.

*Edited for clarity.

in an earlier relationship i spent 5 years tied to a mental health care clinician/provider who was in outpatient practice. during that relationship i learned much of what i know of about psychology and psychiatry, and met many mental health professionals on a social basis. i learned that most psychologists have issues that attracted them to the field. most psychiatrists, on the other hand, had no issues. they were just in practice to make bug bux.

this clinician was not insane, though he was clearly delusional and had severe adjustment disorder. his ethnic background placed him in many "tight spots" that he was unable to resolve thru re-arrangement of his schema. in the end he suffered from a combination of axis 1, 2 and 3 disorders. he had major mental illness, personality disorder, and adjustment disorder. the trouble is, that like many mental health care professionals, his education facilitated avoidance of appropriate treatment.

[SuperDuper! 230]

Well, Psychiatrists can suffer from insanity....That may seem counter-intuitive, but is most assuredly possible. This dude may have snapped ( and he surely did), for many reasons. Deployment, fundamental disagreement with the war (imagine that), or some other reason unrelated to religion. No evidence suggests a deep seeded Islamic opposition to the USA or another radical approach. The dude lost it....It does happen you know.

*Edited for clarity.

in an earlier relationship i spent 5 years tied to a mental health care clinician/provider who was in outpatient practice. during that relationship i learned much of what i know of about psychology and psychiatry, and met many mental health professionals on a social basis. i learned that most psychologists have issues that attracted them to the field. most psychiatrists, on the other hand, had no issues. they were just in practice to make bug bux.

this clinician was not insane, though he was clearly delusional and had severe adjustment disorder. his ethnic background placed him in many "tight spots" that he was unable to resolve thru re-arrangement of his schema. in the end he suffered from a combination of axis 1, 2 and 3 disorders. he had major mental illness, personality disorder, and adjustment disorder. the trouble is, that like many mental health care professionals, his education facilitated avoidance of appropriate treatment.

In the world of MD's, the psychiatrists are seen as "on the fringe" and often complain they don't make as much money as there peers in "real medicine." In terms of wanting to make money, psychologists are commonly graduating school with $200K in debt. Most newly minted professionals are drowning in debt and focused on making money, so no news there.

I will say again, mental health professionals are some of the strangest people to WORK with, and many have mental health issues. Knowing them just on a social or in a relationship with them is not the same. It's like the difference between dating someone, and being married and living with them.

ps, Freud was a coke head.

Edited November 9, 2009 by Hopp

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

as well, there have been numerous acts of violence committed against muslims in the united states since 2001, because they were muslim. the number of deaths is believed to be 19.

does the sikh guy who was gunned down at a gas station because he was mistakenly thought to be a muslim not count?

Put it into perspective. In 2006 alone, there were 18,573 homicides. Multiply that times 8 for the last 8 years of war and 19 Muslims killed since 9/11 is pretty low by comparison especially with ready access to guns in this country. In any case, guys like MAJ Hasan have killed their fair share of Americans.

this has nothing to do with anything i was talking about. previously, sousuke made the comment that "if the American Muslim population hasn't been interned or random people burned alive we can't be doing all that badly in comparison to the past."

i don't consider 19 homicides and numerous other violent assaults in the last several years to be that progressive in comparison to america circa world war I era. no one's discussing overall homicide rates, or anything of that nature. that was not the topic.

I hear over and over that Islamic terrorists are not true Muslims, therefore not part of Islam. If that's the case why do people here on VJ (and the world) attack people who criticize radical Islam?

I've even been called a racist by these inbred retards. Hint.... Islam isn't a race morons!

why do you refuse to denounce the likes of frank roque here then?

Unfortunately America is a large place with lots of cultures that clash AND there is a high homicide rate. I think within a population of 300 million - 19 deaths over what an eight year period probably doesn't indicate a wide spread attack by the US population. Arguably a decent percentage of those might have happened even without the events of the last decade simply because they are "different" then the surrounding population. By contrast hundreds died in Japanese Internment Camps from disease etc. Families were separated, wealth was stripped etc.

[William33 110]

as well, there have been numerous acts of violence committed against muslims in the united states since 2001, because they were muslim. the number of deaths is believed to be 19.

does the sikh guy who was gunned down at a gas station because he was mistakenly thought to be a muslim not count?

Put it into perspective. In 2006 alone, there were 18,573 homicides. Multiply that times 8 for the last 8 years of war and 19 Muslims killed since 9/11 is pretty low by comparison especially with ready access to guns in this country. In any case, guys like MAJ Hasan have killed their fair share of Americans.

this has nothing to do with anything i was talking about. previously, sousuke made the comment that "if the American Muslim population hasn't been interned or random people burned alive we can't be doing all that badly in comparison to the past."

i don't consider 19 homicides and numerous other violent assaults in the last several years to be that progressive in comparison to america circa world war I era. no one's discussing overall homicide rates, or anything of that nature. that was not the topic.

I hear over and over that Islamic terrorists are not true Muslims, therefore not part of Islam. If that's the case why do people here on VJ (and the world) attack people who criticize radical Islam?

I've even been called a racist by these inbred retards. Hint.... Islam isn't a race morons!

why do you refuse to denounce the likes of frank roque here then?

Unfortunately America is a large place with lots of cultures that clash AND there is a high homicide rate. I think within a population of 300 million - 19 deaths over what an eight year period probably doesn't indicate a wide spread attack by the US population. Arguably a decent percentage of those might have happened even without the events of the last decade simply because they are "different" then the surrounding population. By contrast hundreds died in Japanese Internment Camps from disease etc. Families were separated, wealth was stripped etc.

You are leaving out the overall US murder rate in this equation......Try 17,700 murders in 2008 for example.... as the third largest country by poulation.....That may seem acceptable..NOT.....

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

in an earlier relationship i spent 5 years tied to a mental health care clinician/provider who was in outpatient practice. during that relationship i learned much of what i know of about psychology and psychiatry, and met many mental health professionals on a social basis. i learned that most psychologists have issues that attracted them to the field. most psychiatrists, on the other hand, had no issues. they were just in practice to make bug bux.

kinky.......

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Yeah once you add that in to the equation you get this.

A figure I see a lot which I will use is that there are 6 million Muslims in America. So lets take the 19 murders and break them up as an average (I believe sandinista! said they were from now 2009 to 9/11). Since its November I think we can safely divide by 8 years = So thats 2.4 murders per year. So 2.4/6mill = .0000004. Now take the murder rate as a whole with the entire population thats 17,700/300mill = .0000590.

Quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised if there were more hate crime murders against homosexuals, african americans, jews, hispanics, so far and so on then against muslims.

America is a Murder Capital and is full of hate crimes...however I do not see a strong disproportionate level being raised against muslims.

[William33 110]

Yeah once you add that in to the equation you get this.

A figure I see a lot which I will use is that there are 6 million Muslims in America. So lets take the 19 murders and break them up as an average (I believe sandinista! said they were from now 2009 to 9/11). Since its November I think we can safely divide by 8 years = So thats 2.4 murders per year. So 2.4/6mill = .0000004. Now take the murder rate as a whole with the entire population thats 17,700/300mill = .0000590.

Quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised if there were more hate crime murders against homosexuals, african americans, jews, hispanics, so far and so on then against muslims.

America is a Murder Capital and is full of hate crimes...however I do not see a strong disproportionate level being raised against muslims.

Agreed. I think we were getting to the same point-end here....

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

What is the Islam extremist connection to this "suicidal murderer"? Simply on the basis that he is a Muslim? I think not. This dude just snapped, just like all others that do so and murder indiscriminately. Religion is not the issue, insanity is.....

No. And you know it.