U.S. Muslims Condemn Attack at Fort Hood

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I hope that this incident doesn't further tarnish the image of Muslims as a whole, because I'm sure most denounce what the attacker did.

They have tarnish themselves with acts such as this.

If I'm tarnished by this man's act, then, so are you Nagi.

Will you agree that radical Islam is giving Islam a bad name?

[Peikko 1,575]

I hope that this incident doesn't further tarnish the image of Muslims as a whole, because I'm sure most denounce what the attacker did.

They have tarnish themselves with acts such as this.

If I'm tarnished by this man's act, then, so are you Nagi.

Will you agree that radical Islam is giving Islam a bad name?

No. If you are too lazy to understand the difference that's your problem, not that of ordinary Muslims.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think he just wants an endorsement to slag off all muslims because the "bad ones" given all of them a bad name.

Sort of thing that BY does.

[Nagishkaw 510]

If I'm tarnished by this man's act, then, so are you Nagi.

When you know you know nothing, you actually know everything.

[nowhereman 1]

If I'm tarnished by this man's act, then, so are you Nagi.

When you know you know nothing, you actually know everything.

Remember James W. Von Brunn, the white supremacist who opened fire in a holocaust museum killing a guard? Based on some of the comments here I guess he represents all white people? Funny how the same people who turn red with anger when they are associated with this guy see no problem with associating the actions of one Muslim with all Muslims.

[Nagishkaw 510]

The only person you have to prove anything to is yourself.

[alienlovechild 75]

Remember James W. Von Brunn, the white supremacist who opened fire in a holocaust museum killing a guard? Based on some of the comments here I guess he represents all white people? Funny how the same people who turn red with anger when they are associated with this guy see no problem with associating the actions of one Muslim with all Muslims.

Actually that shooting generated far more outrage here than the Fort Hood shooting. A trip in the not so way back machine shall we?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;hl=Von+Brunn

"Old white guy, gun freak. You know the type, we have many right here."

"A lot of the right-wing terrorists on VJ OT (and out there in the rest of America) are also both."

Strange how nobody is linking VJ posters to terrorists now.

"also, i wonder how many comments would have been spewed if the shooter was a Muslim?"

Not even close with 19 pages on the museum shooting plus six other topics threads on the same shooting.

"Ha, there is very little "classy" about the terrorist sympathizer viewers of Fox News. If the point of view doesn't involve the subjugation or terrorizing of a people they despise, secession, or some other form of anti-American treason, Fox News's Republican viewers just aren't interested."

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;hl=Von+Brunn

I guess we can now safely link MSNBC and Democrat viewers to the Fort Hood shooters. In fact several posters blamed Fox News so they may need a shrink but not a military one armed with handguns.

[alienlovechild 75]

Outrage fading. . . sputter. . .cough. . . ppppffffffft.

[DeadPoolX 9]

I hope that this incident doesn't further tarnish the image of Muslims as a whole, because I'm sure most denounce what the attacker did.

They have tarnish themselves with acts such as this.

If I'm tarnished by this man's act, then, so are you Nagi.

Will you agree that radical Islam is giving Islam a bad name?

No. If you are too lazy to understand the difference that's your problem, not that of ordinary Muslims.

He does understand the difference and that's why he wrote that. There's a different between Islam and Radical Islam. We understand and accept that. So those who practice Radical Islam are, by nature of their acts, giving Islam a bad name.

What's publicized and recognized by the public matters far more than the actual facts. Yes, it'd be nice if everyone stopped for a moment and considered the differences. But they won't and because of that, the "average" person will condense Radical Islam into Islam itself. Therefore the common perception will be that Islam and Radical Islam are the exact same thing. That is why Radical Islam is giving Islam a bad name .

[GabiandVi 34]

I hope that this incident doesn't further tarnish the image of Muslims as a whole, because I'm sure most denounce what the attacker did.

They have tarnish themselves with acts such as this.

If I'm tarnished by this man's act, then, so are you Nagi.

Will you agree that radical Islam is giving Islam a bad name?

No. If you are too lazy to understand the difference that's your problem, not that of ordinary Muslims.

Agreed that one of the biggest tragedies of these sorts of incidents, (not THE biggest, but way up there) is the fallout that Muslims have to face. One of my students was absent today, a rare if unprecedented event. Now I'm thinking he might have feared the fallout of this incident.

But I just want to point out that on another thread here today, the fundamentalist Christian movement was condemned because of the acts of the Crusaders. Just found it ironic. We don't want to condemn Muslims for the acts of Muslims in the name of Islam, but it's okay to condemn Christians for the acts nearly a thousand years ago of Christians in the name of Chrisitianity.

[nowhereman 1]

Remember James W. Von Brunn, the white supremacist who opened fire in a holocaust museum killing a guard? Based on some of the comments here I guess he represents all white people? Funny how the same people who turn red with anger when they are associated with this guy see no problem with associating the actions of one Muslim with all Muslims.

Actually that shooting generated far more outrage here than the Fort Hood shooting. A trip in the not so way back machine shall we?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;hl=Von+Brunn

"Old white guy, gun freak. You know the type, we have many right here."

"A lot of the right-wing terrorists on VJ OT (and out there in the rest of America) are also both."

Strange how nobody is linking VJ posters to terrorists now.

"also, i wonder how many comments would have been spewed if the shooter was a Muslim?"

Not even close with 19 pages on the museum shooting plus six other topics threads on the same shooting.

"Ha, there is very little "classy" about the terrorist sympathizer viewers of Fox News. If the point of view doesn't involve the subjugation or terrorizing of a people they despise, secession, or some other form of anti-American treason, Fox News's Republican viewers just aren't interested."

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;hl=Von+Brunn

I guess we can now safely link MSNBC and Democrat viewers to the Fort Hood shooters. In fact several posters blamed Fox News so they may need a shrink but not a military one armed with handguns.

I saw Bill O'Reilly talking about this issue last night & I thought he was pretty fair and reasonable. Now the retired LTC that came on was clearly very far right & his comments were borderline inappropriate IMO. For one he was calling the Muslim Major a terrorist & we just don't know if the shooter has any actual ties to terrorists (i.e. could very well be a nut who snapped). As for the "where's the rage" angle I don't buy it. Again the same people automatically assuming the shooter is a Muslim terrorist are the same people who get bent out of shape if they are associated with nuts like Von Brunn (read: hypocrites). I have also seen some coverage from the left leaning media outlets (e.g. CNN) & I don't see anyone feeling sorry for the shooter. Bottom line is that innocent lives were lost & that should be the focus.

[GabiandVi 34]

I hope that this incident doesn't further tarnish the image of Muslims as a whole, because I'm sure most denounce what the attacker did.

They have tarnish themselves with acts such as this.

If I'm tarnished by this man's act, then, so are you Nagi.

Will you agree that radical Islam is giving Islam a bad name?

No. If you are too lazy to understand the difference that's your problem, not that of ordinary Muslims.

He does understand the difference and that's why he wrote that. There's a different between Islam and Radical Islam. We understand and accept that. So those who practice Radical Islam are, by nature of their acts, giving Islam a bad name.

What's publicized and recognized by the public matters far more than the actual facts. Yes, it'd be nice if everyone stopped for a moment and considered the differences. But they won't and because of that, the "average" person will condense Radical Islam into Islam itself. Therefore the common perception will be that Islam and Radical Islam are the exact same thing. That is why Radical Islam is giving Islam a bad name .

AND why it is SO important that Muslims are VERY vocal in their condemnation of this and other violent acts by Muslims. And save the "yeah, buts" for a later time.

Good for CAIR! I saw another group voice their disgust. I don't remember the name, Impact?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I hope that this incident doesn't further tarnish the image of Muslims as a whole, because I'm sure most denounce what the attacker did.

They have tarnish themselves with acts such as this.

If I'm tarnished by this man's act, then, so are you Nagi.

Will you agree that radical Islam is giving Islam a bad name?

No. If you are too lazy to understand the difference that's your problem, not that of ordinary Muslims.

He does understand the difference and that's why he wrote that. There's a different between Islam and Radical Islam. We understand and accept that. So those who practice Radical Islam are, by nature of their acts, giving Islam a bad name.

What's publicized and recognized by the public matters far more than the actual facts. Yes, it'd be nice if everyone stopped for a moment and considered the differences. But they won't and because of that, the "average" person will condense Radical Islam into Islam itself. Therefore the common perception will be that Islam and Radical Islam are the exact same thing. That is why Radical Islam is giving Islam a bad name .

AND why it is SO important that Muslims are VERY vocal in their condemnation of this and other violent acts by Muslims. And save the "yeah, buts" for a later time.

Good for CAIR! I saw another group voice their disgust. I don't remember the name, Impact?

I'm wondering why it's considered to be ok to tar all Muslims for the sins of a few. It's not done to all Christians when Christians kill. It's ignorance of Islam and intellectual laziness on the part of non-Muslims that make this an issue. Considering that Radials are politically motivated, not religiously (a fact easy to see if you know anything real about Islam), it's a manipulation to hold other Muslims responsible for things they have not done.

When I was a kid in the DC area, a collective cry of "Good Lord! I hope it wasn't a Negro!" went out every time a heinous crime was committed by unknown perpetrators. Blacks were fearful because they knew that Whites held all Black responsible for the acts of any one Black person. Collectvely, they would all be smeared for it.

Prejudice and bigotry require simplistic processing that lumps all of the "others" not like you into inferior groups whose members all think alike, act alike, believe in ideologies that make them suspicious as a whole. They deserve no nuance or dignity lent to members of the groups(s) projecting their prejudice upon them. Whatever ins their own "side" ever committed in the past (the Crusades, the Inquisition, are relevant here) are merely historical blips that do nothing to prove that their group is not immune the same flaws they can point out in the "others".

History is a great equalizer, but history is not a teacher, because it seems to only allow you to say "that was then, this is now. We were nt the ones who did that in the past." Well, most Muslims are not the ones who kill people now, so why hold an entire group responsible for a few unless you need a way to blunt your prejudice in your own mind?

Having lived thru "Good Lord! I hope it wasn't a Negro!" for decades, I'll be damned if I'll allow anyone to push me into the fear and groveling involved in "Good Lord! I hope it wasn't a Muslim!". I'll put a mirror up to your feeling of superiority, your ignorance, and your bigotry before I let you paint me or all other Muslims as an accompliance to individual criminality that makes of me the same kind of victim as it does you. You will not be allowed to separate me out to explain the reasons why people do things I don't even understand and would not do.

I know Islam, and it's not the Islam of the media, the terrorist, nor the one in your head. If you want to know it, ask me, anytime and I will be happy to explain. If you just want to point fingers, point first at yourself.

Edited November 7, 2009 by Sofiyya

[caybee 21]

I hope that this incident doesn't further tarnish the image of Muslims as a whole, because I'm sure most denounce what the attacker did.

They have tarnish themselves with acts such as this.

If I'm tarnished by this man's act, then, so are you Nagi.

Will you agree that radical Islam is giving Islam a bad name?

No. If you are too lazy to understand the difference that's your problem, not that of ordinary Muslims.

He does understand the difference and that's why he wrote that. There's a different between Islam and Radical Islam. We understand and accept that. So those who practice Radical Islam are, by nature of their acts, giving Islam a bad name.

What's publicized and recognized by the public matters far more than the actual facts. Yes, it'd be nice if everyone stopped for a moment and considered the differences. But they won't and because of that, the "average" person will condense Radical Islam into Islam itself. Therefore the common perception will be that Islam and Radical Islam are the exact same thing. That is why Radical Islam is giving Islam a bad name .

AND why it is SO important that Muslims are VERY vocal in their condemnation of this and other violent acts by Muslims. And save the "yeah, buts" for a later time.

Good for CAIR! I saw another group voice their disgust. I don't remember the name, Impact?

Here's some more:

AIF and MPV Unite in Wake of Fort Hood Shooting

Organizations encourage education and community involvement

Press Release

For Immediate release

Muslims for Progressive Values

ATLANTA, GA; LOS ANGELES, CA - November 6, 2009 - The American Islamic Fellowship and Muslims for Progressive Values unite in voicing their concern and condemnation of the shooting at Fort Hood in Texas. The organizations send prayers and love to those affected by the shooting.

While the religion of the alleged shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, has not been confirmed, his names are often associated with practitioners of Islam. Thoughtless and groundless violence cannot ever be justified by any religious or personal beliefs and actions such as the shocking events in Fort Hood go against Islamic teachings of love and respect for life.

AIF and MPV expressly encourage people to continually educate themselves about conditions that contribute to such tragedies and to work with those organizations, like AIF and MPV, who work to help eradicate society violence through continuous community involvement and awareness.

About the American Islamic Fellowship

The American Islamic Fellowship (AIF) seeks to provide an open forum and spiritual community based on Islamic principles for the diverse voices of people of faith and to become an integral part of the Islamic and Interfaith communities locally, nationally, and internationally through the implementation of critical thinking, scholarly study, spiritual awareness, community action, and educational outreach.

About Muslims for Progressive Values

Muslims for Progressive Values (MPV) seeks to bring together progressive Muslims and friends who share their values to work for a more humane world. We welcome all who are interested in discussing, promoting and working for the implementation of progressive values - social justice, human rights, economic opportunity, and separation of church and state - as well as tolerant and inclusive understandings of Islam.

Muslims for Progressive Values

Public Affairs Office

pa@mpvusa.org

(323) 842-2869

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I saw Bill O'Reilly talking about this issue last night & I thought he was pretty fair and reasonable. Now the retired LTC that came on was clearly very far right & his comments were borderline inappropriate IMO. For one he was calling the Muslim Major a terrorist & we just don't know if the shooter has any actual ties to terrorists (i.e. could very well be a nut who snapped). As for the "where's the rage" angle I don't buy it. Again the same people automatically assuming the shooter is a Muslim terrorist are the same people who get bent out of shape if they are associated with nuts like Von Brunn (read: hypocrites). I have also seen some coverage from the left leaning media outlets (e.g. CNN) & I don't see anyone feeling sorry for the shooter. Bottom line is that innocent lives were lost & that should be the focus.

As more information comes to light, if the shooter had acted out because he belonged to a group of radical religious fundamentalists who advocated hatred towards those he lashed out against, then I think criticism towards that group is appropriate. However, given that he was an Army psychiatrist, it sounds more like the guy just snapped.

The Von Brunn incident (listen up Alienlovechild) had to do with a life long Right Wing racist who targeted the people that he has hated all his life. The timing of the incident happened when there was a lot of heightened, anti-federalist talk by many Right Wing extremists...where many were suggesting a violent overthrow of the government. It doesn't take rocket science to see the connection. Although I wouldn't go so far as to see they were legally culpable for Von Brunn's actions, any prominent Right Wingers talking of overthrowing the government were being irresponsible and should expect to see more violent outburst under the current conditions.

Edited November 7, 2009 by Galt's gallstones