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[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This administration is going to war and is responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people! Okay we will bring Saddam back and the world will be just like before! Saddam kills thousands and no mention of it in your post, your in denial!

A ) The administration cooked up a case for war. Innocent people died needlessly. Thousands still die in Iraq and there is, thus far, no light at the end of the tunnel. You point was?

B ) This war was never about removing Saddam and / or improving the situation in Iraq. If that's what you believe, then it stands to reason who really is in denial.

Sex with someone other than your spouse,WHOOP DEE DOO,Aka no big deal! wow glad im not your fiance!

To conclude that I condone or would even engage in any such conduct simply for saying that it is no public matter is infantile at best.

Tell me extra terrestrial, Did anyone die in Bosnia,or was that war OKAY? Oh by the way there are still troops there!

First, the ET in my handle has nothing to do with the figure from the Spielberg movie but with the country where my wife is from. That country happens to be on this planet.

Second, the interference in Bosnia happened in accordance with international law to restore and maintain international stability. That mission is and has been quite successful. Unlike the illegal aggression in Iraq...

But you go on worshipping Rush and W and whoever else it is that you blindly follow.

The second war is the result of the terms of surrender from the first war being ignored by Saddam.

No it's not. That statement is factually wrong. It would have been right had the UN Security Council said that the terms ought to be enforced militarily. Yet it did not. It was in the process of determining whether Saddam had met the terms. Bush interrupted that effort. The UN was the authority on the terms of surrender as Iraq surrendered to the UN not the US. What a difference a letter makes, eh?

Edited February 15, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Sister Fracas 5]

ANYYYYYWHOOOOOOOO,

BACK TO TOPIC!!!

People, I'm sure what Jim posted was a piece of SATIRE!!!! I can't access the link either, but as a longtime member of this site, I would never even think that Jasman was showing something in very bad taste. No one, and I know I can safely include Jasman in this statement, wants to see anyone dead. An NO, it's not AMERICAN to wish someone dead. Sheesh, I didn't know that Americans were the only ones who did and understood satire [/sarcasm]

Ok, back to all your Clinton, Vietnam, Kennedy, Bosnia rants...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Ok, back to all your Clinton, Vietnam, Kennedy, Bosnia rants...

Seems that some folks get mightily worked up when one pokes fun at or dares to criticize the Prophet and Vice Prophet of the United States of America.

Edited February 15, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Ok, back to all your Clinton, Vietnam, Kennedy, Bosnia rants...

Seems that some folks get mightily worked up when one pokes fun at or dares to criticize the Prophet and Vice Prophet of the United States of America.

True, but what is most surprising is that these people are not even willing to admit that the White House really messed up this time ... What ever happened to the Republican idea of "integrety returning to the White House?" Resorting to claims of past stupidity by past presidents does nothing to change the stupidity in the present.

[pedroh 21]

What does that have to do with Vietnam and WWII?

I.E. Vietnam and Irag = both intrusionary.

WWII hasn't got jack squat to do with it.

Oh, I see, well I'd definitely agree Vietnam and Iraq have much in common I was just lost on what Clintons speech had to do with either war LOL

And there isn't anything similar about WWII and Vietnam OR Iraq

There isn't anything similar about WWII and Vietnam? They are plenty of similarities. We went to Germany to stop the spread of German Facism. We went to Vietnam to stop the spread of communism. Both were ultimately successful for US interests.

wahahahahha,, vietnam, a victory???? lolololol that's the joke of the day right

[britbird 4]

Kennedy, alas, was not President for a long enough time to judge whether he was great or not. He didn't particularly possess the skills necessary to get legislation through Congress for instance (love or hate LBJ, he did have those skills)...note the huge amount of society related legislation that the LBJ white house was able to push through (put aside Vietnam here).

Here's the problem with what happened with Cheney and his gun. Firstly note that the President's people are PISSED about what happened and the Vice President's office handling of it. Completely ticked off. It was handled VERY badly. Now, there isn't a guide book for how to deal with these sorts of things but generally you immediately admit it and do it via your office. You also let POTUS know immediately.

Comparing this to Clinton is really to compare apples to oranges and to divert attention away from the point. Of course Clinton should not have lied. What is annoying about the Clinton impeachment was that he was impeached for vices and 'lies' that many other politicians have gotten away scott free for. Note that Reagan absolutely should have been impeached for his involvement in the Iran Contra affair.

Is the problem the wiretaps or Iraq? Not really, the problem is how the administration went about selling it or prosecuting it. The White House does not listen to its own experts. That is what is very annoying.

Is the world a better place solely because Hussain isn't in power any more? Of course. Is the world a better place now that Iraq is the Number 1 'breeding ground' for terrorists? Absolutely not. Bush has completely miscalculated how to go about this war, he also doesn't understand that freedom and democracy work both ways - they are a great rallying cry, but at the same time they mean you must accept that you are going to be debated on the topic. To decry all your critics as being liberal unpatriotic clinton lovers is to reduce the debate down to name calling. It makes for better news headlines, but it's ultimately useless in creating the sort of dialogue necessary to change things for the better.

And now i'll stop because this is turning into a Poli Sci 101 thesis of boringness.

Edited February 15, 2006 by britbird

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

So now we're kidding about a 78 year old man dying?

Disclaimer: I have not read the last five pages of this thread. Judging by the fact that the 5th page does not even seem to be about Whittington, I don't think I want to.

[dalegg 143]

There isn't anything similar about WWII and Vietnam? They are plenty of similarities. We went to Germany to stop the spread of German Facism. We went to Vietnam to stop the spread of communism. Both were ultimately successful for US interests.

wahahahahha,, vietnam, a victory???? lolololol that's the joke of the day right

Hey, not so fast. I didn't say Vietnam was a "Victory". I said it was ultimately successful. The reason we went to war in Vietnam was the Domino Theory. In case you aren't familiar with that, it's the theory that if communism could spread throughout SouthEast Asia it would give the communists a strong foothold that would eventually allow them to control all of Asia, including Japan and eventually Austrailia, thus weekening the US global position.

Well, after decades of prolonged war, the only "Dominos" that fell were South Vietnam and Cambodia. Could it be that Russia didn't want to fund another 3 decade civil war either? If you could have told Eisenhower and Kennedy that sacrificing South Vietnam and Cambodia would mean the end of the Spread of Communism thoughout Asia, I think they would have gladly taken that.

[chri'stina 190]

Ok, back to all your Clinton, Vietnam, Kennedy, Bosnia rants...

Seems that some folks get mightily worked up when one pokes fun at or dares to criticize the Prophet and Vice Prophet of the United States of America.

The same way people get so mightily worked up, and insult people who don't agree with their views about hating Bush? It goes both ways! I've seen the most preaching on VJ, not about any religion, but from far left wing ppl trying to make everyone believe the same as them, in a very unappealing way too.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

There isn't anything similar about WWII and Vietnam? They are plenty of similarities. We went to Germany to stop the spread of German Facism. We went to Vietnam to stop the spread of communism. Both were ultimately successful for US interests.

wahahahahha,, vietnam, a victory???? lolololol that's the joke of the day right

Hey, not so fast. I didn't say Vietnam was a "Victory". I said it was ultimately successful. The reason we went to war in Vietnam was the Domino Theory. In case you aren't familiar with that, it's the theory that if communism could spread throughout SouthEast Asia it would give the communists a strong foothold that would eventually allow them to control all of Asia, including Japan and eventually Austrailia, thus weekening the US global position.

Well, after decades of prolonged war, the only "Dominos" that fell were South Vietnam and Cambodia. Could it be that Russia didn't want to fund another 3 decade civil war either? If you could have told Eisenhower and Kennedy that sacrificing South Vietnam and Cambodia would mean the end of the Spread of Communism thoughout Asia, I think they would have gladly taken that.

Neither Japan nor Australia are in South East Asia, making your definition of success obsolete. The domino theory was an ideological framework that resulted from fear rather than reality; the idea was that communist countries would be under Soviet domination which was not true for Vietnam at all. For more info on this and the war, I recommend watching "The Fog of War," an excellent documentary featuring McNamara himself...

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

For more info on this and the war, I recommend watching "The Fog of War," an excellent documentary featuring McNamara himself...

McNamara was a damn commie, just like Reagan and Goldwater.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

For more info on this and the war, I recommend watching "The Fog of War," an excellent documentary featuring McNamara himself...

McNamara was a damn commie, just like Reagan and Goldwater.

You got it!

[Carol&Marc 0]

Ok, back to all your Clinton, Vietnam, Kennedy, Bosnia rants...

Seems that some folks get mightily worked up when one pokes fun at or dares to criticize the Prophet and Vice Prophet of the United States of America.

The same way people get so mightily worked up, and insult people who don't agree with their views about hating Bush? It goes both ways! I've seen the most preaching on VJ, not about any religion, but from far left wing ppl trying to make everyone believe the same as them, in a very unappealing way too.

I agree stina&suj, Its kind of funny, if your opinion is different than some here. The sarcasm and hatred really shows and is really quite telling!

[almaty 19]

a little texas legal information..state statutes per a knowledgeable source...if it is an accident no police involvement is needed or does it have to be reported....no manslaughter chaqrges would apply

For more info on this and the war, I recommend watching "The Fog of War," an excellent documentary featuring McNamara himself...

McNamara was a damn commie, just like Reagan and Goldwater.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Ya know, I really gotta say....it irritates me to no end when all the blame for this war is laid at Bush's feet. Anyone can do a little back research & see how most politicians & world leaders felt about Iraq/Wmd.

Yes, and, more importantly, anyone can easily find out how the world felt about invading the place. Bush decided to go in despite the collective opposition of the vast majority of nations and despite there being no legal basis for such a move. It's HIS war. Any way you look at it. Nobody else made that decision.

Congress? Yes, Congress authorized the use of force as a last resort. Go back and read statements made during the debate - nobody wanted to willy-nilly invade Iraq without proper authority and without proper support. This resolution was mainly supported to force Saddam into admitting the UN inspectors back into Iraq for unfettered inspections. And it worked. The inspectors were working there quite well - anyone can read up on that, too. They worked well up until Bush called the UN telling them to pull the inspectors out 'cause we were coming in. In 2003, it was not Saddam that hindered the UN inspections. It was one George W Bush dead set on waging an illegal war of aggression. There's no blame to be spread.

Ok, back to all your Clinton, Vietnam, Kennedy, Bosnia rants...

Seems that some folks get mightily worked up when one pokes fun at or dares to criticize the Prophet and Vice Prophet of the United States of America.

The same way people get so mightily worked up, and insult people who don't agree with their views about hating Bush? It goes both ways! I've seen the most preaching on VJ, not about any religion, but from far left wing ppl trying to make everyone believe the same as them, in a very unappealing way too.

I agree stina&suj, Its kind of funny, if your opinion is different than some here. The sarcasm and hatred really shows and is really quite telling!

Just don't pull Clinton out everytime someone criticizes the current administration. Argue your case based on this administration's merit. That never happens and that's quite telling, too...