Has anyone here refused to get vaccinated

[Chris_Жанна 11]

hahaha let me know how the licking yourself like a cat works out for you lol.

[christeen 966]

hahaha let me know how the licking yourself like a cat works out for you lol.

Of course my cat licks his own nads too so I might have to re-think the self-cleaning thing???

[garfield529 47]

I work in the department of Immunology at Washington University in St. Louis. I know that this topic has really gotten off base from the OP's original post, but I want to clearly illustrate the reason why our Government requires vaccination of incoming immigrants. These bastards know based on CDC statistics that vaccination works. A look at the statistics clearly shows that of the top TEN causes of mortality in the year 1901....FIVE of the causes are related to bacterial or viral infections. The number one cause of death in the year 1901 is Pneumonia (all forms) and influenza. Fast forward to the year 1998 and the top causes are heart disease, Malignant neoplasms, Cerebrovascular diseases, Chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases and allied conditions, Accidents and adverse effects. The total population's immune systems have not evolved, quite the contrary, we have utilized vaccination methodologies that have prevented the fate of so many in human history. Science is peer reviewed...not faith. Good luck with the waiver....

Oh, as a scientist, I should cite my references:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/lead1900_98.pdf

[Chris_Жанна 11]

hahaha let me know how the licking yourself like a cat works out for you lol.

Of course my cat licks his own nads too so I might have to re-think the self-cleaning thing???

lol

[Chris_Жанна 11]

I work in the department of Immunology at Washington University in St. Louis. I know that this topic has really gotten off base from the OP's original post, but I want to clearly illustrate the reason why our Government requires vaccination of incoming immigrants. These bastards know based on CDC statistics that vaccination works. A look at the statistics clearly shows that of the top TEN causes of mortality in the year 1901....FIVE of the causes are related to bacterial or viral infections. The number one cause of death in the year 1901 is Pneumonia (all forms) and influenza. Fast forward to the year 1998 and the top causes are heart disease, Malignant neoplasms, Cerebrovascular diseases, Chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases and allied conditions, Accidents and adverse effects. The total population's immune systems have not evolved, quite the contrary, we have utilized vaccination methodologies that have prevented the fate of so many in human history. Science is peer reviewed...not faith. Good luck with the waiver....

Oh, as a scientist, I should cite my references:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/lead1900_98.pdf

Excellent post. I noticed there is no rebuts to this. Very interesting and informative.

[katej0203 1]

Wow, this has been a very entertaining thread! Great reply there, Garfield!

To the OP, would you really let one vaccination prevent you from living with your fiance!? I too, have seen your posts elsewhere, and think you should learn to compromise a little... as someone mentioned earlier, moving to the USA is a privilege, not a right.... cooperate with what is required, and you will get your greencard.

I grew up in India, and would certainly NEVER advice anybody to not get a polio vaccination... I am also originally from a country with a very long life expectancy, because children get all their necessary injections at birth. I have many vaccinations (due to my past), even rabies, and am waiting for my H1N1!

Good luck with the waiver... cause you need it.

Edited November 3, 2009 by katej0203

[ioukta 0]

there is pro life, there is pro choice, there is pro vaccine there is pro choice

its very rare that one is convinced by the other specially on a forum thread where there is very little respect

apparently VJ has a very little amount of people that use natural remedies. That's my bad, i didnt know VJ was not representative of the whole population

Thanks to that thread i was insulted, told i didnt like the answer, told im USED to not like the answers... thanks to this post i learned about waivers which i didnt know, AND that i could not NEED them, ill see with the doctor.

as i had found on the site someone nicely posted on here that i found on my own while the debate was going on, waivrs are absolutely not typically denied. just no one has done it here or was denied for other reasons since the waiver is not just for vaccines but also for criminal records etc.... and like the person said in his post, when u mention a vaccination lawyer it goes suddenly faster...

I have time to think about it, but i have read about a natural way to de-vaccinate myself after shots... would be certainly faster than a waiver... i will look more into it.

for some info or bullcrap as you maybe think it is http://www.know-vaccines.org/index.html (im in fast reply sorry)

Im very sorry that one cannot state what they believe in without having a 100 long thread telling them they are wrong and should just do what the gvt says. I am not taking anyone's place since there's no yearly quota on K1s, what i do with my process is not offending, its my business.

that's my last post on the subject

thank you for the informative replies

[momof1 205]

there is pro life, there is pro choice, there is pro vaccine there is pro choice

its very rare that one is convinced by the other specially on a forum thread where there is very little respect

apparently VJ has a very little amount of people that use natural remedies. That's my bad, i didnt know VJ was not representative of the whole population

Thanks to that thread i was insulted, told i didnt like the answer, told im USED to not like the answers... thanks to this post i learned about waivers which i didnt know, AND that i could not NEED them, ill see with the doctor.

as i had found on the site someone nicely posted on here that i found on my own while the debate was going on, waivrs are absolutely not typically denied. just no one has done it here or was denied for other reasons since the waiver is not just for vaccines but also for criminal records etc.... and like the person said in his post, when u mention a vaccination lawyer it goes suddenly faster...

I have time to think about it, but i have read about a natural way to de-vaccinate myself after shots... would be certainly faster than a waiver... i will look more into it.

for some info or bullcrap as you maybe think it is http://www.know-vaccines.org/index.html (im in fast reply sorry)

Im very sorry that one cannot state what they believe in without having a 100 long thread telling them they are wrong and should just do what the gvt says. I am not taking anyone's place since there's no yearly quota on K1s, what i do with my process is not offending, its my business.

that's my last post on the subject

thank you for the informative replies

I know of a person filing through Europe who recently got a waiver of inadmissibility approved for vaccinations. It's possible, but difficult.

[sara..... 371]

refusal of vaccinations is a personal choice.......but......your personal choices may take away the personal choices of many.........for example.........if you get one of the more dreaded diseases because your not vaccinated you could spread it to people that have poor or no immune systems.....or to someone that really could not take the vaccination because of allergic reaction to the first dose of a vaccination that requires more than one injection .........so you see ur personal choices could take away the rights of many and their right to live......this is one reason our government demands that all immigrants have certain vaccinations to live in our country......

I was an immigrate...i came to the usa with very spotty records of baby immunizations........thank GOD my mother had the good sense to not take a chance and have me inoculated as if I had never had any to start with.....im sure i got fever im sure my little muscles were sore ........but it didnt kill me.

this immigration rule is there for ur own protection even if u dont want to be protected......you can get ur waiver.....u might even be able to get it approved.....but ask urself is ur right to refuse more important than the reaction ur action may set in motion?

just my opinion

sara

[ioukta 0]

Estadia - that doesnt hold and you know it, my decision is the decision of millions of tourists that come every year to the US and are not required to get vaccinated, when u know 3 months is more than enough to get a whole lot of people sick, just like all the americans that come back sick to the states after a trip abroad

so no my decision doesnt affect that many people, not more than what the gvt already allows, no reaction in motion from me OR the millions that dont get vaccinated inside the US already, we would know if unvaccinated people were a threat, the gvt would have set something in motion.

Im sorry no.

their right to live, u crack me up lol

[sara..... 371]

Estadia - that doesnt hold and you know it, my decision is the decision of millions of tourists that come every year to the US and are not required to get vaccinated, when u know 3 months is more than enough to get a whole lot of people sick, just like all the americans that come back sick to the states after a trip abroad

so no my decision doesnt affect that many people, not more than what the gvt already allows, no reaction in motion from me OR the millions that dont get vaccinated inside the US already, we would know if unvaccinated people were a threat, the gvt would have set something in motion.

Im sorry no.

their right to live, u crack me up lol

well i am happy that i have been a source of amusement for you .....and i really do hope that u find what ur looking for ........i also hope that when or if u have children that go to school that u at least allow them what u refused urself....based on what u have replied to so many trying to reason with u i have to assume that ur intelligence far out weighs that of any government in our country that you wish to immigrate to.

sara

[Mr. K 8]

in britain, in 2009, where children are routinely immunized, their life expectancy is 20 years higher than in ghana where there are severe shortages of childhood vaccinations in many parts of the country.

Where'd you get those stats? WHO? As long as I can helop it, I will never take any vaccinations whereever I live, and I will live in Ghana at some time.. a place I have visited for extended periods, never taken any of the "required" meds or vaccinations, and stayed healthy.

Seriously, shut up. If you want to discuss vaccinations, open another thread. this is an immigration question; and it has been answered. The OP will very likely be denied, and will need a waiver. Best of luck.

The topic is about vaccinations. I guess you didn't notice that.

Actually the topic is not about vaccinations, the topic is about if anyone has refused to get vaccinations for immigration.

As you said, "the topic is about if anyone has refused to get vaccinations for immigration".

Vaccinations is relevant to the discussion.

[DeniseBill 4]

The thread has served it's purpose... maybe a mod should just close it before it gets really out of hand.

[SMR 368]

Well, not that I agree with the situation or that I don't sympathize, but I'll play devil's advocate for a second on this one. The US constitution gives Congress the power to regulate requirements for immigration.

Not that I think it's right, but if you intend to immigrate, you'll soon find out that as a foreign national in the US, you have less rights than a US Citizen and the rights you had in your home country are basically irrelevant for computing your rights here.

sure but in any case where a law goes against the constitution, the constitution wins, and here we're talking about the gvt forcing an individual to take something for his own health, cause vaccines are not to cure and therefore avoid contamination, it's to avoid contimanation for the individual that gets the vaccine

What does the Constitution say about your right to religion? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof.

The U.S. Constitution is the Supreme law of the land and any other law that contradicts or goes against the Constitution is null and void: any Thing in the Constitution or Laws (i.e. statutes) of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. Article 6, Section 2, U.S. Constitution. Plain and simple

I realize this is somewhat tangential, but in terms of the Constitution, this is just fine. I think of it in terms of cookies. Congress has the right to give people cookies and it can give them to whomever it wants. It can't force you to do anything but it can cut off your cookie supply pretty completely. Immigration is a cookie. You aren't forced to do anything, but you may have to if you want a cookie.

Again, I don't think it's right, but that's the way it is.

[Lona.C. 16]

first i like to say am so sorry to hear about your mom rebecca

now to the op ok you say it is against your belives and you have to keep your body pure ,

so you meen to say you never had sex or went to a public bathroom ( where you can catch a desease )

or you dont go to the mall or grocery shopping cose someone might caugh on you and give you a cold ,

all this to keep your body pure ,lol.

so gotha wonder if your fiancee is as pure as you claim to be

and if she had her vaccinations as a child arent you scared ,that some of her so called poison will enter your so called pure body when you get married and have sex ?

no offence to your religion but I agrea with len if you want to stay pure why even make the effort on trying to come here ,

one question do you drink water or take a bath ?, please look at the ingrediance there are chemicals in water that will enter your pure body when you get in contact with it ,

you are still early in your process , so if you want to keep your so called pure body free of any chemicals , my advice is talk to your fiance and see if she is as pure as you and see if you can live in a bubble when you move to the states ,

we breath chemicals just by taking a walk ( what you think comes out of a cars exaust pipe ? ) lol

garfield great post