Obama honors fallen Americans at Dover

[Joseph & Ana 0]

As I said it wasn't a literal comment.

How exactly does Joe think that politics needs to be more right wing to encapsulate his views?

There aren't that many positions - socially you're looking at a more authoritarian government and intrusion into peoples lives, militarily you're looking at interventionism, economically you're looking at de-regulation and privatisation.

Sorry i've been gone - (busy) with relocation.

I know you've missed me (especially pike hunt)

You've got me all wrong Pike. I am more libertarian in my foreign policy views. Socially I don't want the unborn killed - And I am all for working with people like Madam Cleo to come to a compromise. Its obvious that Cleo and I want to reduce abortions - so lets do it with birth control.

I've never ever thought government should intrude into the home. Ever. So i'm not sure where you get that I'm authoritarian.

I am for more deregulation in some areas, and regulation in others.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Then you're not "far right".

[The_Dude 1,142]

As I said it wasn't a literal comment.

How exactly does Joe think that politics needs to be more right wing to encapsulate his views?

There aren't that many positions - socially you're looking at a more authoritarian government and intrusion into peoples lives, militarily you're looking at interventionism, economically you're looking at de-regulation and privatisation.

Sorry i've been gone - (busy) with relocation.

I know you've missed me (especially pike hunt)

You've got me all wrong Pike. I am more libertarian in my foreign policy views. Socially I don't want the unborn killed - And I am all for working with people like Madam Cleo to come to a compromise. Its obvious that Cleo and I want to reduce abortions - so lets do it with birth control.

I've never ever thought government should intrude into the home. Ever. So i'm not sure where you get that I'm authoritarian.

I am for more deregulation in some areas, and regulation in others.

Social policy is far more than abortion. And don't you dare say you're a Libertarian. We take most people, but NOT you

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Then you're not "far right".

Yes I am.

You're idea of far right is Nazi - and it isn't true.

As I said it wasn't a literal comment.

How exactly does Joe think that politics needs to be more right wing to encapsulate his views?

There aren't that many positions - socially you're looking at a more authoritarian government and intrusion into peoples lives, militarily you're looking at interventionism, economically you're looking at de-regulation and privatisation.

Sorry i've been gone - (busy) with relocation.

I know you've missed me (especially pike hunt)

You've got me all wrong Pike. I am more libertarian in my foreign policy views. Socially I don't want the unborn killed - And I am all for working with people like Madam Cleo to come to a compromise. Its obvious that Cleo and I want to reduce abortions - so lets do it with birth control.

I've never ever thought government should intrude into the home. Ever. So i'm not sure where you get that I'm authoritarian.

I am for more deregulation in some areas, and regulation in others.

Social policy is far more than abortion. And don't you dare say you're a Libertarian. We take most people, but NOT you

Good job on pulling another thing out of your a@@.

You're a liberal - not libertarian.

[Heracles 417]

Did GWB ever attend these?

[The_Dude 1,142]

Then you're not "far right".

Yes I am.

You're idea of far right is Nazi - and it isn't true.

As I said it wasn't a literal comment.

How exactly does Joe think that politics needs to be more right wing to encapsulate his views?

There aren't that many positions - socially you're looking at a more authoritarian government and intrusion into peoples lives, militarily you're looking at interventionism, economically you're looking at de-regulation and privatisation.

Sorry i've been gone - (busy) with relocation.

I know you've missed me (especially pike hunt)

You've got me all wrong Pike. I am more libertarian in my foreign policy views. Socially I don't want the unborn killed - And I am all for working with people like Madam Cleo to come to a compromise. Its obvious that Cleo and I want to reduce abortions - so lets do it with birth control.

I've never ever thought government should intrude into the home. Ever. So i'm not sure where you get that I'm authoritarian.

I am for more deregulation in some areas, and regulation in others.

Social policy is far more than abortion. And don't you dare say you're a Libertarian. We take most people, but NOT you

Good job on pulling another thing out of your a@@.

You're a liberal - not libertarian.

Once again Joe, showing how ignorant you really are. I am a Libertarian. If you actually knew ANYTHING about Libertarians, you'd know that there are many many viewpoints that are not shared by all. But as per usual, you open your mouth and comment about something you have NO knowledge of.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Then you're not "far right".

Yes I am.

You're idea of far right is Nazi - and it isn't true.

As I said it wasn't a literal comment.

How exactly does Joe think that politics needs to be more right wing to encapsulate his views?

There aren't that many positions - socially you're looking at a more authoritarian government and intrusion into peoples lives, militarily you're looking at interventionism, economically you're looking at de-regulation and privatisation.

Sorry i've been gone - (busy) with relocation.

I know you've missed me (especially pike hunt)

You've got me all wrong Pike. I am more libertarian in my foreign policy views. Socially I don't want the unborn killed - And I am all for working with people like Madam Cleo to come to a compromise. Its obvious that Cleo and I want to reduce abortions - so lets do it with birth control.

I've never ever thought government should intrude into the home. Ever. So i'm not sure where you get that I'm authoritarian.

I am for more deregulation in some areas, and regulation in others.

Social policy is far more than abortion. And don't you dare say you're a Libertarian. We take most people, but NOT you

Good job on pulling another thing out of your a@@.

You're a liberal - not libertarian.

Once again Joe, showing how ignorant you really are. I am a Libertarian. If you actually knew ANYTHING about Libertarians, you'd know that there are many many viewpoints that are not shared by all. But as per usual, you open your mouth and comment about something you have NO knowledge of.

Don't be ashamed of your liberalism. You can't hide behind Libertarian when you're clearly not.

I know everything about Libertarians.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Then you're not "far right".

Yes I am.

You're idea of far right is Nazi - and it isn't true.

As I said it wasn't a literal comment.

How exactly does Joe think that politics needs to be more right wing to encapsulate his views?

There aren't that many positions - socially you're looking at a more authoritarian government and intrusion into peoples lives, militarily you're looking at interventionism, economically you're looking at de-regulation and privatisation.

Sorry i've been gone - (busy) with relocation.

I know you've missed me (especially pike hunt)

You've got me all wrong Pike. I am more libertarian in my foreign policy views. Socially I don't want the unborn killed - And I am all for working with people like Madam Cleo to come to a compromise. Its obvious that Cleo and I want to reduce abortions - so lets do it with birth control.

I've never ever thought government should intrude into the home. Ever. So i'm not sure where you get that I'm authoritarian.

I am for more deregulation in some areas, and regulation in others.

Social policy is far more than abortion. And don't you dare say you're a Libertarian. We take most people, but NOT you

Good job on pulling another thing out of your a@@.

You're a liberal - not libertarian.

Once again Joe, showing how ignorant you really are. I am a Libertarian. If you actually knew ANYTHING about Libertarians, you'd know that there are many many viewpoints that are not shared by all. But as per usual, you open your mouth and comment about something you have NO knowledge of.

Don't be ashamed of your liberalism. You can't hide behind Libertarian when you're clearly not.

I know everything about Libertarians.

Joe, you demonstrated in that other post that you are clearly too stupid to answer a simple yes or no question. So no, you don't know everything, let alone anything about Libertarians.

Edited October 30, 2009 by Rob and Mel

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Then you're not "far right".

Yes I am.

You're idea of far right is Nazi - and it isn't true.

Which of the positions you indicated above do you consider "far right"?

For instance - plenty of people oppose abortion, but not all of them support the idea of making abortion completely illegal (including rape cases) or charging the women with "murder". That would be a far right position, Mr Joe.

As I said before it absolutely has to do with authoritarian influence of government into people's lives.

Nothing you described above sounds anything but mainstream conservatism. What is it that puts you on the far right?

Edited October 30, 2009 by Gene Hunt

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Then you're not "far right".

Yes I am.

You're idea of far right is Nazi - and it isn't true.

As I said it wasn't a literal comment.

How exactly does Joe think that politics needs to be more right wing to encapsulate his views?

There aren't that many positions - socially you're looking at a more authoritarian government and intrusion into peoples lives, militarily you're looking at interventionism, economically you're looking at de-regulation and privatisation.

Sorry i've been gone - (busy) with relocation.

I know you've missed me (especially pike hunt)

You've got me all wrong Pike. I am more libertarian in my foreign policy views. Socially I don't want the unborn killed - And I am all for working with people like Madam Cleo to come to a compromise. Its obvious that Cleo and I want to reduce abortions - so lets do it with birth control.

I've never ever thought government should intrude into the home. Ever. So i'm not sure where you get that I'm authoritarian.

I am for more deregulation in some areas, and regulation in others.

Social policy is far more than abortion. And don't you dare say you're a Libertarian. We take most people, but NOT you

Good job on pulling another thing out of your a@@.

You're a liberal - not libertarian.

Once again Joe, showing how ignorant you really are. I am a Libertarian. If you actually knew ANYTHING about Libertarians, you'd know that there are many many viewpoints that are not shared by all. But as per usual, you open your mouth and comment about something you have NO knowledge of.

Don't be ashamed of your liberalism. You can't hide behind Libertarian when you're clearly not.

I know everything about Libertarians.

Joe, you demonstrated in that other post that you are clearly too stupid to answer a simple yes or no question. So no, you don't know everything, let alone anything about Libertarians.

I'm capable of answering questions, I just like to keep you in a seething rage. You don't like when hypocrisy of the left is pointed out. Thats all. Gets you foaming.

And you're not libertarian. You're a lefty.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Don't be ashamed of your liberalism. You can't hide behind Libertarian when you're clearly not.

I know everything about Libertarians.

Libertarianism is indeed a distinct political philosophy - but imo its used in a dishonest way by a lot of former Republicans who cite it merely to indicate their frustration at the two party system - and has little to do with whether they are actually libertarian in outlook, or whether they are part of any libertarian movement./

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Then you're not "far right".

Yes I am.

You're idea of far right is Nazi - and it isn't true.

Which of the positions you indicated above do you consider "far right"?

For instance - plenty of people oppose abortion, but not all of them support the idea of making abortion completely illegal (including rape cases) or charging the women with "murder". That would be a far right position, Mr Joe.

As I said before it absolutely has to do with authoritarian influence of government into people's lives.

Nothing you described above sounds anything but mainstream conservatism. What is it that puts you on the far right?

Libs like to call reality the opposite of what it really is. The libs stand for authoritarian government intruding into everyone's lives. I.e. you can't eat this its not healthy, you can't smoke this, but you CAN smoke this, you can't burn that its not healthy, you can't drive this, you can't weigh this much, you can't make this much money, you can't eat meat because it warms the planet, and so on and so forth.

But conservatives say - don't kill the unborn and THATS GOTTA STOP ITS AUTHORITARIAN!

Don't be ashamed of your liberalism. You can't hide behind Libertarian when you're clearly not.

I know everything about Libertarians.

Libertarianism is indeed a distinct political philosophy - but imo its used in a dishonest way by a lot of former Republicans who cite it merely to indicate their frustration at the two party system - and has little to do with whether they are actually libertarian in outlook, or whether they are part of any libertarian movement./

Good job on making that up on the spot. Too bad it doesn't apply to me, and I don't care what republicans you're talking about.

[nowhereman 1]

The basis of the Libertarian ideology is the maximization of individual liberties & freedoms and the minimization (or even abolition) of the State. However true Libertarianism is about as practical as Marxism... a nice idea that is simply implausible to apply to the real world. In reality Libertarians are basically Republicans who, for various reasons, have broken away from the mainstream party & formed a new party that stresses the above ideals.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Then you're not "far right".

Yes I am.

You're idea of far right is Nazi - and it isn't true.

Which of the positions you indicated above do you consider "far right"?

For instance - plenty of people oppose abortion, but not all of them support the idea of making abortion completely illegal (including rape cases) or charging the women with "murder". That would be a far right position, Mr Joe.

As I said before it absolutely has to do with authoritarian influence of government into people's lives.

Nothing you described above sounds anything but mainstream conservatism. What is it that puts you on the far right?

Libs like to call reality the opposite of what it really is. The libs stand for authoritarian government intruding into everyone's lives. I.e. you can't eat this its not healthy, you can't smoke this, but you CAN smoke this, you can't burn that its not healthy, you can't drive this, you can't weigh this much, you can't make this much money, you can't eat meat because it warms the planet, and so on and so forth.

But conservatives say - don't kill the unborn and THATS GOTTA STOP ITS AUTHORITARIAN!

How's about dispensing with the rhetoric and answering my question:

Which of the positions you indicated above do you consider "far right"?

Don't be ashamed of your liberalism. You can't hide behind Libertarian when you're clearly not.

I know everything about Libertarians.

Libertarianism is indeed a distinct political philosophy - but imo its used in a dishonest way by a lot of former Republicans who cite it merely to indicate their frustration at the two party system - and has little to do with whether they are actually libertarian in outlook, or whether they are part of any libertarian movement./

Good job on making that up on the spot. Too bad it doesn't apply to me, and I don't care what republicans you're talking about.

Forgive me Joe, but to use your tried and trusted line of argument - all I've ever seen you do is trash the Democratic party, never once have I seen you go on the offensive against any member of the Republican party with anything like the vitriol you throw at the Democrats, regardless of how thinly based the charges are.

I'm not a registered voter in the US so I've never really developed any affinity with either party, so the whole punch and judy show doesn't really interest me.

As to the rest its just my opinion - but the only person here on VJ who has ever put substance behind the claim of being libertarian is Matt. You certainly haven't ponied up anything that would make anyone think that you aren't just another die-hard partisan who merely pretends to be an independent because its become fashionable to do so. The reason I say this - is because substance has never really been your forte. Its always been about shouting at "lefties", not unlike some miserable old git shaking his fist at kids playing in his garden.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

The basis of the Libertarian ideology is the maximization of individual liberties & freedoms and the minimization (or even abolition) of the State. However true Libertarianism is about as practical as Marxism... a nice idea that is simply implausible to apply to the real world. In reality Libertarians are basically Republicans who, for various reasons, have broken away from the mainstream party & formed a new party that stresses the above ideals.

I didn't say I was full-blown on libertarianism - Just on foreign policy.

Its certain others who want to say "You're not libertarian" - who pull things out of their a@@. At least when I call someone a lib - they really are.

I do think we need more troops in Afgh or get out. Those are the options. Pussyfooting around doesn't help.