Obama honors fallen Americans at Dover

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Leaving aside that your understanding of political theory is laughably bad - I really don't think you are in a position to honestly assess what is or isn't "moderate".

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Because a leftist is a leftist. Nowhereman is not a moderate.

From where you sit, everyone not on the right fringe is a leftist.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Joe - you are aligned with every conservative here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the liberals here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a far right wingnut. Especially when you err on the side that Obama is not a genuine US Citizen, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's Obama and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Obama on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Bush did that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

There's a difference - I am proud of being a Right-Wing Macadamia

I would also be honored if all the conservatives here were aligned with my views.

I never erred that Obama was not a US citizen. I just said for him to produce the long version and shut them up. Any joking aside.

I do not hate Obama.

And there is a clear difference between myself you kook leftists.

Who cares Joe - you don't make any distinctions between any individuals you disagree with, so why should you be accorded anything more than a cookie cutter opinion in response?

Courtesy is as courtesy does - you don't show any, you don't deserve any.

Because a leftist is a leftist. Nowhereman is not a moderate.

How on earth would you know that? You don't even read his posts. You see a few key words and think you can extrapolate that to all of his political beliefs.

Incorrect.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How on earth would you know that? You don't even read his posts. You see a few key words and think you can extrapolate that to all of his political beliefs.

Bingo.

[nowhereman 1]

That would assume that I cared whether anyone believed me or not. Truth never cares whether its believed. It just is.

You are confusing truth with perception. Everything that I write is true, based on my perception. Some of it is opinion & some fact. There is only one truth but as many perceptions as there are opinions. I'm sure this sounds like philosophical nonsense but my point is that I believe what I write every bit as much as you do.

You are aligned with every liberal here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the conservatives here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a kook leftist. Especially when you err on the side that Bush's family did something for him, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's bush and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Bush on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Obama has done that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

As I have said on many occasions most of the VJ Right are pretty far to the right IMO, so being a moderate (in general, not on all issues) I tend to have very different opinions than individuals such as yourself. As for being aligned with the VJ Left ask Bat Guano or Madame Cleo (just examples, not singling them out) how many times I have disagreed with them or Charles, AlienLoveChild & even Danno how many times I have agreed with them. In each case it's at least double digits.

As for hating Bush because he's a Republican that is completely inaccurate. I voted for his father & loved Reagan, but I felt Bush (particularly in his 2nd term) made some awful decisions & policies. To chalk this up to simple Bush bashing is offensive.

[nowhereman 1]

Because a leftist is a leftist. Nowhereman is not a moderate.

From where you sit, everyone not on the right fringe is a leftist.

This is the guy that called Bill O'Reilly a Liberal, just to give everyone some perspective on Joe's views.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

That would assume that I cared whether anyone believed me or not. Truth never cares whether its believed. It just is.

You are confusing truth with perception. Everything that I write is true, based on my perception. Some of it is opinion & some fact. There is only one truth but as many perceptions as there are opinions. I'm sure this sounds like philosophical nonsense but my point is that I believe what I write every bit as much as you do.

You are aligned with every liberal here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the conservatives here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a kook leftist. Especially when you err on the side that Bush's family did something for him, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's bush and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Bush on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Obama has done that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

As I have said on many occasions most of the VJ Right are pretty far to the right IMO, so being a moderate (in general, not on all issues) I tend to have very different opinions than individuals such as yourself. As for being aligned with the VJ Left ask Bat Guano or Madame Cleo (just examples, not singling them out) how many times I have disagreed with them or Charles, AlienLoveChild & even Danno how many times I have agreed with them. In each case it's at least double digits.

As for hating Bush because he's a Republican that is completely inaccurate. I voted for his father & loved Reagan, but I felt Bush (particularly in his 2nd term) made some awful decisions & policies. To chalk this up to simple Bush bashing is offensive.

There's no possible way you loved Reagan's Presidency and still support Obama. Sorry. You're either nuts, or lying.

[The_Dude 1,142]

That would assume that I cared whether anyone believed me or not. Truth never cares whether its believed. It just is.

You are confusing truth with perception. Everything that I write is true, based on my perception. Some of it is opinion & some fact. There is only one truth but as many perceptions as there are opinions. I'm sure this sounds like philosophical nonsense but my point is that I believe what I write every bit as much as you do.

You are aligned with every liberal here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the conservatives here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a kook leftist. Especially when you err on the side that Bush's family did something for him, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's bush and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Bush on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Obama has done that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

As I have said on many occasions most of the VJ Right are pretty far to the right IMO, so being a moderate (in general, not on all issues) I tend to have very different opinions than individuals such as yourself. As for being aligned with the VJ Left ask Bat Guano or Madame Cleo (just examples, not singling them out) how many times I have disagreed with them or Charles, AlienLoveChild & even Danno how many times I have agreed with them. In each case it's at least double digits.

As for hating Bush because he's a Republican that is completely inaccurate. I voted for his father & loved Reagan, but I felt Bush (particularly in his 2nd term) made some awful decisions & policies. To chalk this up to simple Bush bashing is offensive.

There's no possible way you loved Reagan's Presidency and still support Obama. Sorry. You're either nuts, or lying.

Who the hell are you to levy a decision as to what he can and cannot believe? It's not completely incongruent. You need to get over yourself and your narrow view of the world.

[nowhereman 1]

That would assume that I cared whether anyone believed me or not. Truth never cares whether its believed. It just is.

You are confusing truth with perception. Everything that I write is true, based on my perception. Some of it is opinion & some fact. There is only one truth but as many perceptions as there are opinions. I'm sure this sounds like philosophical nonsense but my point is that I believe what I write every bit as much as you do.

You are aligned with every liberal here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the conservatives here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a kook leftist. Especially when you err on the side that Bush's family did something for him, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's bush and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Bush on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Obama has done that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

As I have said on many occasions most of the VJ Right are pretty far to the right IMO, so being a moderate (in general, not on all issues) I tend to have very different opinions than individuals such as yourself. As for being aligned with the VJ Left ask Bat Guano or Madame Cleo (just examples, not singling them out) how many times I have disagreed with them or Charles, AlienLoveChild & even Danno how many times I have agreed with them. In each case it's at least double digits.

As for hating Bush because he's a Republican that is completely inaccurate. I voted for his father & loved Reagan, but I felt Bush (particularly in his 2nd term) made some awful decisions & policies. To chalk this up to simple Bush bashing is offensive.

There's no possible way you loved Reagan's Presidency and still support Obama. Sorry. You're either nuts, or lying.

Ever hear of Reagan Democrats? He had a lot of moderate Democrats on his side. FYI- I was actually a Republican in the late 80's/ early 90's (switched to Independent in the late 90's).

[nowhereman 1]

Who the hell are you to levy a decision as to what he can and cannot believe? It's not completely incongruent. You need to get over yourself and your narrow view of the world.

I think Joe is having a Matrix moment where he finds out that his world is based on fantasy & there's another (real) world out there.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

That would assume that I cared whether anyone believed me or not. Truth never cares whether its believed. It just is.

You are confusing truth with perception. Everything that I write is true, based on my perception. Some of it is opinion & some fact. There is only one truth but as many perceptions as there are opinions. I'm sure this sounds like philosophical nonsense but my point is that I believe what I write every bit as much as you do.

You are aligned with every liberal here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the conservatives here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a kook leftist. Especially when you err on the side that Bush's family did something for him, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's bush and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Bush on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Obama has done that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

As I have said on many occasions most of the VJ Right are pretty far to the right IMO, so being a moderate (in general, not on all issues) I tend to have very different opinions than individuals such as yourself. As for being aligned with the VJ Left ask Bat Guano or Madame Cleo (just examples, not singling them out) how many times I have disagreed with them or Charles, AlienLoveChild & even Danno how many times I have agreed with them. In each case it's at least double digits.

As for hating Bush because he's a Republican that is completely inaccurate. I voted for his father & loved Reagan, but I felt Bush (particularly in his 2nd term) made some awful decisions & policies. To chalk this up to simple Bush bashing is offensive.

There's no possible way you loved Reagan's Presidency and still support Obama. Sorry. You're either nuts, or lying.

Ever hear of Reagan Democrats? He had a lot of moderate Democrats on his side. FYI- I was actually a Republican in the late 80's/ early 90's (switched to Independent in the late 90's).

Yes I have heard of Reagan Democrats. But it was not because Reagan was a moderate.

He brought them over to our side with a good sale of conservatism. I'll wager that a lot of Reagan Democrats do not support Obama right now.

Listen to his speech in 64 (or any speech for that matter) and tell me he and Obama are similar in any way shape or form.

That would assume that I cared whether anyone believed me or not. Truth never cares whether its believed. It just is.

You are confusing truth with perception. Everything that I write is true, based on my perception. Some of it is opinion & some fact. There is only one truth but as many perceptions as there are opinions. I'm sure this sounds like philosophical nonsense but my point is that I believe what I write every bit as much as you do.

You are aligned with every liberal here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the conservatives here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a kook leftist. Especially when you err on the side that Bush's family did something for him, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's bush and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Bush on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Obama has done that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

As I have said on many occasions most of the VJ Right are pretty far to the right IMO, so being a moderate (in general, not on all issues) I tend to have very different opinions than individuals such as yourself. As for being aligned with the VJ Left ask Bat Guano or Madame Cleo (just examples, not singling them out) how many times I have disagreed with them or Charles, AlienLoveChild & even Danno how many times I have agreed with them. In each case it's at least double digits.

As for hating Bush because he's a Republican that is completely inaccurate. I voted for his father & loved Reagan, but I felt Bush (particularly in his 2nd term) made some awful decisions & policies. To chalk this up to simple Bush bashing is offensive.

There's no possible way you loved Reagan's Presidency and still support Obama. Sorry. You're either nuts, or lying.

Who the hell are you to levy a decision as to what he can and cannot believe? It's not completely incongruent. You need to get over yourself and your narrow view of the world.

If it is true, then it means that Nowhereman has no principles at all. He goes with whatever is popular (which is possible, but I am leaning toward him actually being principled in liberalism).

One cannot believe in Reagans principles and also believe in Obama's. They are polar opposites. So, either he's nuts, or lying.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It is always possible that a person can alter their opinion as the prevailing circumstances change.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

It is always possible that a person can alter their opinion as the prevailing circumstances change.

Yes it is.. But he says he loved Reagan.. If his opinion had changed, he wouldn't love him anymore.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Perhaps Reagan was the best president for 1980, but wouldn't be the best president for 2009.

[nowhereman 1]

It is always possible that a person can alter their opinion as the prevailing circumstances change.

Yes it is.. But he says he loved Reagan.. If his opinion had changed, he wouldn't love him anymore.

I still regard Reagan as one of the top 10-15 Presidents in history. As for Obama, Joe is under the misguided notion that I am lock-step with his policies. The truth is IMO the once proud & strong Republican party is a shadow of it's former self, replaced by a party full of Right Wing nuts who care more about destroying the Democrats than addressing the issues our nation faces. The Obama administration (again IMO) is at least trying to fix the problems. I don't always agree with Obama & I feel that he should focus on 1-3 issues at time instead of trying to fix everything at once (which so far has equaled fixing nothing) but I'll take Obama over a bunch of bitter, angry Right Wing nuts any day.