Obama honors fallen Americans at Dover

[kaydee457 13]

Why does any President choose his photo opportunities?

To assist his sagging poll numbers. Which are tanking. "I'm not dithering about the troops...look at me...look at ME..I'm doin' somethin'..."

Assuming that's true, so what? What exactly is the issue here - this is the sort of thing you generally expect elected politicians to do.

The *issue* is character.....If he's just vying to cover his inability to make a hard decision and ward off the torrent of criticism over Afghanistan…. and he's using the fallen US causalities to project a phony, contrived image of a concerned and deliberative deep thinking man, then he's clearly not the guy for the job.

I know it, how long until you get it?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The *issue* is character.....If he's just vying to cover his inability to make a hard decision and ward off the torrent of criticism over Afghanistan…. and he's using the fallen US causalities to project a phony, contrived image of a concerned and deliberative deep thinking man, then he's clearly not the guy for the job.

I know it, how long until you get it?

"President Obama has asked senior officials for a province-by-province analysis of Afghanistan to determine which regions are being managed effectively by local leaders and which require international help, information that his advisers say will guide his decision on how many additional U.S. troops to send to the battle," Scott Wilson and Greg Jaffe report in The Washington Post.

"This is obviously a complicated security environment in Afghanistan, and the president wants the clearest possible understanding of what the challenges are to our forces and what is required to meet that challenge," said a senior administration official who has participated in the Afghanistan policy review and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss it. "Any successful and sustainable strategy must clearly align the resources we provide with the goals we are trying to achieve."

If this kind of deliberation and consideration had taken place from the beginning of the war, we wouldn't be having this debate today. And we wouldn't have been in Iraq at all.

Edited October 29, 2009 by Mr. Big Dog

[Ban Hammer 13,619]

I have mixed feelings about this. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt but when I see him giving a Military Salute it simply turns my stomach.......

he is the commander in chief. it goes with the territory.

[Peikko 1,575]

It's always contrived and PR - what do you expect from a president? Sentimentality?

If it turns your stomach though, you have the problem because you are personalizing your president when in this instance it is of symbolic value only and it matters not who the president is unless he has gained power fraudulently. Are you suggesting that Obama did not get properly and democratically elected?

[nowhereman 1]

Did you even read my post Joe, or did you simply scan for key words so that you could plug them into your Hannity Post-O-Tron to spit out some ignorant attempt to be witty? All I said was that I found it offensive that bush who was all but awol dressed in military uniform saluting. I don't agree with non-military personnel wearing the dress or taking up the gestures of the military, President Obama included. It is an exclusive organization that you must earn the right to participate in. But, the president is the commander in chief and as such is the commander of the armed forces and is his prerogative to do so.

Danno, I hope you do find a link to that story, I really would like to read it. Just please don't bother if it is from a website like American Renaissance, I already got into trouble when BY posted a link there and I was dumb enough to follow it.

= Dan Rather - Thats my story and I'm sticking to it... kinda...... sorta......

I have mixed feelings about this. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt but when I see him giving a Military Salute it simply turns my stomach.......

Whad’ya think? PR? A contrived staging for the benefit of the cameras, or sincere?

My take is that this is indeed PR to project the image that this guy's agonizing over the decision to take his commanders advice and pony-up more troops......He's been criticized for his dithering on this issue.

He's been waffling for weeks now, unable to take responsibility and continuing to blame Bush (sic) only as a child would do.

Thats a complete load of ####### and you know it. You are incapable of giving the man the benefit of the doubt simply because you don't agree with his policies (or something far more primal).

I don't like non-military personnel giving the military salute, but I found bush's chickensh!t saluting and even wearing a flight suit far more offensive. But in the end, they are the commander in chief and have the authority to do so.

Care to elaborate on the "primal" comment? Bush was a Pilot in the ANG and volunteered to go to Vietnam but was turned down. Why would it bother you if he wore a flight suit?

Yet another load of #######. He flew in the Texas National Guard and eventually his flight license was suspended. The flight suit bothered me because it was a traditional military one with all the accoutrements.

Bush was a screw up in his younger days & his family probably did shield him from combat service with the NG stint, but again don't confuse that with his (IMO) genuine regard for service members who died in the line of duty.

So there's room for using "probably" as part of your argument? You aren't a moderate - you're on the kook fringe.

Dude seriously you have issues. Nothing that I wrote could be remotely considered the words of an "on the kook fringe". Normal, rational people say "probably" when they suspect something is true, but can't prove it (i.e. an assumption or opinion). You're just mad that you say dumb stuff over & over and pretty much everyone calls you on it. Even the vast majority of right leaning posters avoid you because they know you're the VJ Village Idiot.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

The *issue* is character.....If he's just vying to cover his inability to make a hard decision and ward off the torrent of criticism over Afghanistan…. and he's using the fallen US causalities to project a phony, contrived image of a concerned and deliberative deep thinking man, then he's clearly not the guy for the job.

I know it, how long until you get it?

"President Obama has asked senior officials for a province-by-province analysis of Afghanistan to determine which regions are being managed effectively by local leaders and which require international help, information that his advisers say will guide his decision on how many additional U.S. troops to send to the battle," Scott Wilson and Greg Jaffe report in The Washington Post.

"This is obviously a complicated security environment in Afghanistan, and the president wants the clearest possible understanding of what the challenges are to our forces and what is required to meet that challenge," said a senior administration official who has participated in the Afghanistan policy review and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss it. "Any successful and sustainable strategy must clearly align the resources we provide with the goals we are trying to achieve."

If this kind of deliberation and consideration had taken place from the beginning of the war, we wouldn't be having this debate today. And we wouldn't have been in Iraq at all.

"If we don't pass this stimulus - unemployment will be at 9%!" - Fastforward to today... Unemployment teetering on 10% "It would have been much worse if we hadn't done anything"

Afghanistan - October 2009 - Deadliest Month since the War began.... "It would have been much worse if we hadn't sat on our hands and thought about what we should do for several months"

Did you even read my post Joe, or did you simply scan for key words so that you could plug them into your Hannity Post-O-Tron to spit out some ignorant attempt to be witty? All I said was that I found it offensive that bush who was all but awol dressed in military uniform saluting. I don't agree with non-military personnel wearing the dress or taking up the gestures of the military, President Obama included. It is an exclusive organization that you must earn the right to participate in. But, the president is the commander in chief and as such is the commander of the armed forces and is his prerogative to do so.

Danno, I hope you do find a link to that story, I really would like to read it. Just please don't bother if it is from a website like American Renaissance, I already got into trouble when BY posted a link there and I was dumb enough to follow it.

= Dan Rather - Thats my story and I'm sticking to it... kinda...... sorta......

I have mixed feelings about this. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt but when I see him giving a Military Salute it simply turns my stomach.......

Whad’ya think? PR? A contrived staging for the benefit of the cameras, or sincere?

My take is that this is indeed PR to project the image that this guy's agonizing over the decision to take his commanders advice and pony-up more troops......He's been criticized for his dithering on this issue.

He's been waffling for weeks now, unable to take responsibility and continuing to blame Bush (sic) only as a child would do.

Thats a complete load of ####### and you know it. You are incapable of giving the man the benefit of the doubt simply because you don't agree with his policies (or something far more primal).

I don't like non-military personnel giving the military salute, but I found bush's chickensh!t saluting and even wearing a flight suit far more offensive. But in the end, they are the commander in chief and have the authority to do so.

Care to elaborate on the "primal" comment? Bush was a Pilot in the ANG and volunteered to go to Vietnam but was turned down. Why would it bother you if he wore a flight suit?

Yet another load of #######. He flew in the Texas National Guard and eventually his flight license was suspended. The flight suit bothered me because it was a traditional military one with all the accoutrements.

Bush was a screw up in his younger days & his family probably did shield him from combat service with the NG stint, but again don't confuse that with his (IMO) genuine regard for service members who died in the line of duty.

So there's room for using "probably" as part of your argument? You aren't a moderate - you're on the kook fringe.

Dude seriously you have issues. Nothing that I wrote could be remotely considered the words of an "on the kook fringe". Normal, rational people say "probably" when they suspect something is true, but can't prove it (i.e. an assumption or opinion). You're just mad that you say dumb stuff over & over and pretty much everyone calls you on it. Even the vast majority of right leaning posters avoid you because they know you're the VJ Village Idiot.

Oh I'm not angry... You're just a kook far left lib. Thats all. I know you're upset, but hopefully in time you'll abandon your leftist ideas.

Even if it were true, a vast majority doesn't change reality.

[nowhereman 1]

I have mixed feelings about this. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt but when I see him giving a Military Salute it simply turns my stomach.......

he is the commander in chief. it goes with the territory.

Thank you Charles. Every single President (Republican or Democrat) does what he feels is best for the country. You can criticize the President's actions & policies but when you question whether or not he cares about service members you have crossed the line.

[nowhereman 1]

Oh I'm not angry... You're just a kook far left lib. Thats all. I know you're upset, but hopefully in time you'll abandon your leftist ideas.

Your opinions are given slightly more weight than the incoherent ramblings of an instituitionalized mental patient, so they hardly make me angry. However to use your tactics please show how any of my opinions are aligned with a liberal ideology. I'm guessing I'll get either a nonsensical reply with no actual information or silence, since you can't produce what doesn't exist.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why does any President choose his photo opportunities?

To assist his sagging poll numbers. Which are tanking. "I'm not dithering about the troops...look at me...look at ME..I'm doin' somethin'..."

Assuming that's true, so what? What exactly is the issue here - this is the sort of thing you generally expect elected politicians to do.

The *issue* is character.....If he's just vying to cover his inability to make a hard decision and ward off the torrent of criticism over Afghanistan…. and he's using the fallen US causalities to project a phony, contrived image of a concerned and deliberative deep thinking man, then he's clearly not the guy for the job.

I know it, how long until you get it?

What I get and you seem to want to ignore is that this is part and parcel of what politicians do. Whether you feel its phony or contrived is surely irrelevant.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Oh I'm not angry... You're just a kook far left lib. Thats all. I know you're upset, but hopefully in time you'll abandon your leftist ideas.

Your opinions are given slightly more weight than the incoherent ramblings of an instituitionalized mental patient, so they hardly make me angry. However to use your tactics please show how any of my opinions are aligned with a liberal ideology. I'm guessing I'll get either a nonsensical reply with no actual information or silence, since you can't produce what doesn't exist.

That would assume that I cared whether anyone believed me or not. Truth never cares whether its believed. It just is.

You are aligned with every liberal here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the conservatives here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a kook leftist. Especially when you err on the side that Bush's family did something for him, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's bush and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Bush on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Obama has done that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

Why does any President choose his photo opportunities?

To assist his sagging poll numbers. Which are tanking. "I'm not dithering about the troops...look at me...look at ME..I'm doin' somethin'..."

Assuming that's true, so what? What exactly is the issue here - this is the sort of thing you generally expect elected politicians to do.

The *issue* is character.....If he's just vying to cover his inability to make a hard decision and ward off the torrent of criticism over Afghanistan…. and he's using the fallen US causalities to project a phony, contrived image of a concerned and deliberative deep thinking man, then he's clearly not the guy for the job.

I know it, how long until you get it?

What I get and you seem to want to ignore is that this is part and parcel of what politicians do. Whether you feel its phony or contrived is surely irrelevant.

I'll agree with you there.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Joe - you are aligned with every conservative here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the liberals here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a far right wingnut. Especially when you err on the side that Obama is not a genuine US Citizen, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's Obama and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Obama on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Bush did that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Joe - you are aligned with every conservative here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the liberals here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a far right wingnut. Especially when you err on the side that Obama is not a genuine US Citizen, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's Obama and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Obama on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Bush did that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

There's a difference - I am proud of being a Right-Wing Macadamia

I would also be honored if all the conservatives here were aligned with my views.

I never erred that Obama was not a US citizen. I just said for him to produce the long version and shut them up. Any joking aside.

I do not hate Obama.

And there is a clear difference between myself you kook leftists.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Joe - you are aligned with every conservative here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the liberals here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a far right wingnut. Especially when you err on the side that Obama is not a genuine US Citizen, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's Obama and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Obama on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Bush did that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

There's a difference - I am proud of being a Right-Wing Macadamia

I would also be honored if all the conservatives here were aligned with my views.

I never erred that Obama was not a US citizen. I just said for him to produce the long version and shut them up. Any joking aside.

I do not hate Obama.

And there is a clear difference between myself you kook leftists.

Who cares Joe - you don't make any distinctions between any individuals you disagree with, so why should you be accorded anything more than a cookie cutter opinion in response?

Courtesy is as courtesy does - you don't show any, you don't deserve any.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Joe - you are aligned with every conservative here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the liberals here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a far right wingnut. Especially when you err on the side that Obama is not a genuine US Citizen, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's Obama and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Obama on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Bush did that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

There's a difference - I am proud of being a Right-Wing Macadamia

I would also be honored if all the conservatives here were aligned with my views.

I never erred that Obama was not a US citizen. I just said for him to produce the long version and shut them up. Any joking aside.

I do not hate Obama.

And there is a clear difference between myself you kook leftists.

Who cares Joe - you don't make any distinctions between any individuals you disagree with, so why should you be accorded anything more than a cookie cutter opinion in response?

Courtesy is as courtesy does - you don't show any, you don't deserve any.

Because a leftist is a leftist. Nowhereman is not a moderate.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Joe - you are aligned with every conservative here. Never once heard you disagree with what they say. But you spend a heck of a lot of time hacking at the liberals here. So therefore, the evidence suggests that you are a far right wingnut. Especially when you err on the side that Obama is not a genuine US Citizen, with absolutely no proof.... just because he's Obama and you hate him. Those of us who disagreed with Obama on specific issues, openly criticized them, but didn't put a blanket on everything he did. Just as there are 1 or 2 things Bush did that I might have done myself if I were in the position.

There's a difference - I am proud of being a Right-Wing Macadamia

I would also be honored if all the conservatives here were aligned with my views.

I never erred that Obama was not a US citizen. I just said for him to produce the long version and shut them up. Any joking aside.

I do not hate Obama.

And there is a clear difference between myself you kook leftists.

Who cares Joe - you don't make any distinctions between any individuals you disagree with, so why should you be accorded anything more than a cookie cutter opinion in response?

Courtesy is as courtesy does - you don't show any, you don't deserve any.

Because a leftist is a leftist. Nowhereman is not a moderate.

How on earth would you know that? You don't even read his posts. You see a few key words and think you can extrapolate that to all of his political beliefs.