Obama honors fallen Americans at Dover

[Danno 1,228]

Danno, I hope you do find a link to that story, I really would like to read it. Just please don't bother if it is from a website like American Renaissance, I already got into trouble when BY posted a link there and I was dumb enough to follow it.

I did post the new story but I think I forget the link.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/2...s-privately/#at

[nowhereman 1]

I have mixed feelings about this. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt but when I see him giving a Military Salute it simply turns my stomach.......

Whad’ya think? PR? A contrived staging for the benefit of the cameras, or sincere?

My take is that this is indeed PR to project the image that this guy's agonizing over the decision to take his commanders advice and pony-up more troops......He's been criticized for his dithering on this issue.

He's been waffling for weeks now, unable to take responsibility and continuing to blame Bush (sic) only as a child would do.

Thats a complete load of ####### and you know it. You are incapable of giving the man the benefit of the doubt simply because you don't agree with his policies (or something far more primal).

I don't like non-military personnel giving the military salute, but I found bush's chickensh!t saluting and even wearing a flight suit far more offensive. But in the end, they are the commander in chief and have the authority to do so.

Care to elaborate on the "primal" comment? Bush was a Pilot in the ANG and volunteered to go to Vietnam but was turned down. Why would it bother you if he wore a flight suit?

Yet another load of #######. He flew in the Texas National Guard and eventually his flight license was suspended. The flight suit bothered me because it was a traditional military one with all the accoutrements.

Bush was a screw up in his younger days & his family probably did shield him from combat service with the NG stint, but again don't confuse that with his (IMO) genuine regard for service members who died in the line of duty.

[웃 910]

Danno, I hope you do find a link to that story, I really would like to read it. Just please don't bother if it is from a website like American Renaissance, I already got into trouble when BY posted a link there and I was dumb enough to follow it.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=2498108

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

These things are always contrived to one degree or other - that's the nature of a photo opportunity.

It says nothing about what Obama personally feels about the deaths of service personnel.

Regardless - this is nothing new. So why are we talking about it?

[kaydee457 13]

Did you even read my post Joe, or did you simply scan for key words so that you could plug them into your Hannity Post-O-Tron to spit out some ignorant attempt to be witty? All I said was that I found it offensive that bush who was all but awol dressed in military uniform saluting. I don't agree with non-military personnel wearing the dress or taking up the gestures of the military, President Obama included. It is an exclusive organization that you must earn the right to participate in. But, the president is the commander in chief and as such is the commander of the armed forces and is his prerogative to do so.

Danno, I hope you do find a link to that story, I really would like to read it. Just please don't bother if it is from a website like American Renaissance, I already got into trouble when BY posted a link there and I was dumb enough to follow it.

In November 1970, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, commander of the 111th Fighter Squadron, recommended that Bush be promoted to First Lieutenant, calling him "a dynamic outstanding young officer" who stood out as "a top notch fighter interceptor pilot." He said that "Lt. Bush's skills far exceed his contemporaries," and that "he is a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership. Lt. Bush is also a good follower with outstanding disciplinary traits and an impeccable military bearing."[4]

Air National Guard members could volunteer for active duty service with the Air Force in a program called Palace Alert, which deployed F-102 pilots to Europe and Southeast Asia, including Vietnam and Thailand. According to three pilots from Bush's squadron, Bush inquired about this program but was advised by the base commander that he did not have the necessary experience (500 hours) at the time and that the F-102 would soon be retired.[1][5]

source

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i never saw Bush do it and he was a PR #######..

Actually, you are incorrect.

Bush quietly met with every family of those Killed

He has met privately with over 4,000 families? First I hear of it. Can you back that up?

I corrected myself, I meant to write "met or wrote a personal letter".

sorry for the mistype.

Writing personal letters to the families of fallen soldiers is what Presidents do.

Obama signs 'Barack' to fallen troops' kin

Handwrites each, signs 'Barack'

By Christina Bellantoni [2/17/09]

In his first few weeks in office, sometime between celebratory bill signings and phone calls from foreign leaders, President Obama sat in the Oval Office for the most somber task of his presidency - penning letters to families of troops killed in combat.

"This was real, it was personal, it was so important to us," said Thya Merz, whose son Marine Lance Cpl. Julian Brennan was killed Jan. 24 in Afghanistan.

The letter was signed "Barack," Ms. Merz told The Washington Times.

"Not 'president,' just his first name, and it just felt like, OK, my son has been acknowledged," she said.

Mr. Obama personalizes each letter, asking staffers to gather details about the service member, such as their hometown and where they were stationed, a White House aide said. The letters are sent to parents and spouses, and sometimes children of the fallen troops.

The president writes the notes by hand, then the letters are typed before he adds his signature.

Mr. Obama wrote the first few letters for troops who died in Iraq and Afghanistan while George W. Bush was president, and has written at least a dozen more since taking office.

The president told NBC News that the duty falls to him, though he did not initiate the wars and opposed the invasion of Iraq. In those moments of signing the letters, he said, "you realize every decision you make counts."

The White House declined to release any of the private letters or the names of families who received them, but The Times spoke with some who shared the contents of their letters.

Cpl. Brennan, 25, was supporting combat operations in Afghanistan's Farah province when he was killed last month.

[AlHayatZween 2]

These things are always contrived to one degree or other - that's the nature of a photo opportunity.

It says nothing about what Obama personally feels about the deaths of service personnel.

Regardless - this is nothing new. So why are we talking about it?

Because for some, Obama is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't...

[Chica Yeyé 41]

These things are always contrived to one degree or other - that's the nature of a photo opportunity.

It says nothing about what Obama personally feels about the deaths of service personnel.

Regardless - this is nothing new. So why are we talking about it?

Because for some, Obama is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't...

My thoughts exactly. The entire thread is completely irrelevant. Then again, why would I be surprised

[kaydee457 13]

These things are always contrived to one degree or other - that's the nature of a photo opportunity.

It says nothing about what Obama personally feels about the deaths of service personnel.

Regardless - this is nothing new. So why are we talking about it?

Because for some, Obama is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't...

Perhaps not but it says everything about the way he wishes to be percieved.....Why else do it in public in front of the Press?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why does any President choose his photo opportunities?

[The_Dude 1,142]

Did you even read my post Joe, or did you simply scan for key words so that you could plug them into your Hannity Post-O-Tron to spit out some ignorant attempt to be witty? All I said was that I found it offensive that bush who was all but awol dressed in military uniform saluting. I don't agree with non-military personnel wearing the dress or taking up the gestures of the military, President Obama included. It is an exclusive organization that you must earn the right to participate in. But, the president is the commander in chief and as such is the commander of the armed forces and is his prerogative to do so.

Danno, I hope you do find a link to that story, I really would like to read it. Just please don't bother if it is from a website like American Renaissance, I already got into trouble when BY posted a link there and I was dumb enough to follow it.

In November 1970, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, commander of the 111th Fighter Squadron, recommended that Bush be promoted to First Lieutenant, calling him "a dynamic outstanding young officer" who stood out as "a top notch fighter interceptor pilot." He said that "Lt. Bush's skills far exceed his contemporaries," and that "he is a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership. Lt. Bush is also a good follower with outstanding disciplinary traits and an impeccable military bearing."[4]

Air National Guard members could volunteer for active duty service with the Air Force in a program called Palace Alert, which deployed F-102 pilots to Europe and Southeast Asia, including Vietnam and Thailand. According to three pilots from Bush's squadron, Bush inquired about this program but was advised by the base commander that he did not have the necessary experience (500 hours) at the time and that the F-102 would soon be retired.[1][5]

source

Ohhh 3 people heard him say that. Yeah, thats a great source. Here's a citation for you. LINK

[cdneh 3,112]

Why does any President choose his photo opportunities?

To assist his sagging poll numbers. Which are tanking. "I'm not dithering about the troops...look at me...look at ME..I'm doin' somethin'..."

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why does any President choose his photo opportunities?

To assist his sagging poll numbers. Which are tanking. "I'm not dithering about the troops...look at me...look at ME..I'm doin' somethin'..."

Assuming that's true, so what? What exactly is the issue here - this is the sort of thing you generally expect elected politicians to do.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Did you even read my post Joe, or did you simply scan for key words so that you could plug them into your Hannity Post-O-Tron to spit out some ignorant attempt to be witty? All I said was that I found it offensive that bush who was all but awol dressed in military uniform saluting. I don't agree with non-military personnel wearing the dress or taking up the gestures of the military, President Obama included. It is an exclusive organization that you must earn the right to participate in. But, the president is the commander in chief and as such is the commander of the armed forces and is his prerogative to do so.

Danno, I hope you do find a link to that story, I really would like to read it. Just please don't bother if it is from a website like American Renaissance, I already got into trouble when BY posted a link there and I was dumb enough to follow it.

= Dan Rather - Thats my story and I'm sticking to it... kinda...... sorta......

I have mixed feelings about this. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt but when I see him giving a Military Salute it simply turns my stomach.......

Whad’ya think? PR? A contrived staging for the benefit of the cameras, or sincere?

My take is that this is indeed PR to project the image that this guy's agonizing over the decision to take his commanders advice and pony-up more troops......He's been criticized for his dithering on this issue.

He's been waffling for weeks now, unable to take responsibility and continuing to blame Bush (sic) only as a child would do.

Thats a complete load of ####### and you know it. You are incapable of giving the man the benefit of the doubt simply because you don't agree with his policies (or something far more primal).

I don't like non-military personnel giving the military salute, but I found bush's chickensh!t saluting and even wearing a flight suit far more offensive. But in the end, they are the commander in chief and have the authority to do so.

Care to elaborate on the "primal" comment? Bush was a Pilot in the ANG and volunteered to go to Vietnam but was turned down. Why would it bother you if he wore a flight suit?

Yet another load of #######. He flew in the Texas National Guard and eventually his flight license was suspended. The flight suit bothered me because it was a traditional military one with all the accoutrements.

Bush was a screw up in his younger days & his family probably did shield him from combat service with the NG stint, but again don't confuse that with his (IMO) genuine regard for service members who died in the line of duty.

So there's room for using "probably" as part of your argument? You aren't a moderate - you're on the kook fringe.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Did you even read my post Joe, or did you simply scan for key words so that you could plug them into your Hannity Post-O-Tron to spit out some ignorant attempt to be witty? All I said was that I found it offensive that bush who was all but awol dressed in military uniform saluting. I don't agree with non-military personnel wearing the dress or taking up the gestures of the military, President Obama included. It is an exclusive organization that you must earn the right to participate in. But, the president is the commander in chief and as such is the commander of the armed forces and is his prerogative to do so.

Danno, I hope you do find a link to that story, I really would like to read it. Just please don't bother if it is from a website like American Renaissance, I already got into trouble when BY posted a link there and I was dumb enough to follow it.

In November 1970, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, commander of the 111th Fighter Squadron, recommended that Bush be promoted to First Lieutenant, calling him "a dynamic outstanding young officer" who stood out as "a top notch fighter interceptor pilot." He said that "Lt. Bush's skills far exceed his contemporaries," and that "he is a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership. Lt. Bush is also a good follower with outstanding disciplinary traits and an impeccable military bearing."[4]

Air National Guard members could volunteer for active duty service with the Air Force in a program called Palace Alert, which deployed F-102 pilots to Europe and Southeast Asia, including Vietnam and Thailand. According to three pilots from Bush's squadron, Bush inquired about this program but was advised by the base commander that he did not have the necessary experience (500 hours) at the time and that the F-102 would soon be retired.[1][5]

source

Ohhh 3 people heard him say that. Yeah, thats a great source. Here's a citation for you. LINK

And all of your opinions on Bush's ANG career are more than hearsay - they are lies. Criticize presidential decisions but get out of the gutter.

Why does any President choose his photo opportunities?

To assist his sagging poll numbers. Which are tanking. "I'm not dithering about the troops...look at me...look at ME..I'm doin' somethin'..."

Exactly