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[Peikko 1,575]

In the raw sense of the word, yes. If you're talking political ideology, which is what the word has become associated with. No, it isn't.

Liberal economics is its own ideology. You can look it up if you're interested.

I don't need to look it up. I know what it is. However, you seem to be somehow associating that with the Democrat party, and i'm not sure why. They are totally different things. You know what i'm talking about when i say Liberal. Stop trying to be silly.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying you should be careful in your cowboy use of terminology because there is more to the ideas than the words you use to encapsulate them.

And if you're continuing to call me a liberal merely to associate me with the Democrat party (an LPR who has never registered anywhere with any US political party), well that's just silly.

I call you a liberal because thats your idealogy. Plain and simple. You've proven that. You may not be as liberal as some here, but a liberal just the same.

Either associate being liberal with being a democrat or do not, you can't use it both ways at the same time.

[nowhereman 1]

You are a lib. Your voting record doesn't matter. Its that you whole-heartedly support Obama's policies... Pussyfooting Afgh, socialized medicine, taxing the rich and corporations, cap and trade - you tow the line my friend.

I know you'd like to think you shut me down, but you didn't.

To say that you have selective memory would be a gift. I very clearly articulated why I voted for Obama & at no point have I ever "whole-heartedly support Obama's policies". To summarize what I said yesterday I feel that the Republican party is a poor imitation of what it was in the 80's & early 90's, replaced by a core of bitter, angry right wingers more focused on bashing Democrats than fixing the nation's issues. I voted for Obama because the Bush administration damn near drove this country off a cliff & I didn't think it would make sense to hand over the keys to another Republican.

Again after you cut out all the rhetoric your position (as usual) boils down to "because I said so". If that isn't shutting you down then nothing is.

Do you support TARP? Do you support Cap and Trade? Do you support Nationalized Healthcare? Do you support confiscatory taxes on the rich and corporations?

First of all Obama's policies go way beyond these issues, but to answer your questions:

TARP- Short answer is no

Cap & Trade- In theory yes... anyone that doesn't promote the transition to a clean energy economy is a dumbass. We need to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels both for economic & environmental reasons. I would have to get into the weeds on Obama's policy to see if I agree with the details.

Nationalized Healthcare- The system is definitely broken & needs to be fixed. I am by no means an expert on this issue but I totally agree with the Blue Dog Democrat's 3 Principles: Controlling costs, Increasing value & Improving access. I do not favor a public option because from what I understand it may unintentionally increase costs.

Taxes on the rich & corporations: The rich own the corporations & both have always gotten over when it comes to paying taxes (i.e. via loopholes & write offs). The middle class are always the ones taking it up the butt & yet it seems they are the ones screaming the loudest about taxing the rich (which is pretty much like taking it up the butt & then kissing the guy who did it). Do I agree with the rich paying more? Yes, but at the same time they are often the employers so you can't tax them to the point where they can't make a profit.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

You are a lib. Your voting record doesn't matter. Its that you whole-heartedly support Obama's policies... Pussyfooting Afgh, socialized medicine, taxing the rich and corporations, cap and trade - you tow the line my friend.

I know you'd like to think you shut me down, but you didn't.

To say that you have selective memory would be a gift. I very clearly articulated why I voted for Obama & at no point have I ever "whole-heartedly support Obama's policies". To summarize what I said yesterday I feel that the Republican party is a poor imitation of what it was in the 80's & early 90's, replaced by a core of bitter, angry right wingers more focused on bashing Democrats than fixing the nation's issues. I voted for Obama because the Bush administration damn near drove this country off a cliff & I didn't think it would make sense to hand over the keys to another Republican.

Again after you cut out all the rhetoric your position (as usual) boils down to "because I said so". If that isn't shutting you down then nothing is.

Do you support TARP? Do you support Cap and Trade? Do you support Nationalized Healthcare? Do you support confiscatory taxes on the rich and corporations?

First of all Obama's policies go way beyond these issues, but to answer your questions:

Your first sentence makes you sound like a snarky lib. They're always on a quest to "teach something to the stupid people of the world" because they are elitists.

Did I say that those were Obama's only policies? No i didn't. So get over yourself.

That being said. In a lot of areas you're trying to have it both ways. Progressive liberalism is just that. You can't have a little bit. It always manifests itself with unintended (or actually intended but hidden) consequences. You say you voted Obama because you just couldn't hand it over to another Republican. Thats an amateurish reason. The republicans did a lot of the same things Obama is doing 10 fold right now. Ok the dems opposed the wars after they approved of them, but lets not open that can of worms. On everything else, they were both as liberal as the other. That is why REpubs were thrown out in 06 because they were the party in control. That is why the dems will be thrown out in '10. Conservative voters sat out the last 2 elections.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Utter tosh

[nowhereman 1]

You are a lib. Your voting record doesn't matter. Its that you whole-heartedly support Obama's policies... Pussyfooting Afgh, socialized medicine, taxing the rich and corporations, cap and trade - you tow the line my friend.

I know you'd like to think you shut me down, but you didn't.

To say that you have selective memory would be a gift. I very clearly articulated why I voted for Obama & at no point have I ever "whole-heartedly support Obama's policies". To summarize what I said yesterday I feel that the Republican party is a poor imitation of what it was in the 80's & early 90's, replaced by a core of bitter, angry right wingers more focused on bashing Democrats than fixing the nation's issues. I voted for Obama because the Bush administration damn near drove this country off a cliff & I didn't think it would make sense to hand over the keys to another Republican.

Again after you cut out all the rhetoric your position (as usual) boils down to "because I said so". If that isn't shutting you down then nothing is.

Do you support TARP? Do you support Cap and Trade? Do you support Nationalized Healthcare? Do you support confiscatory taxes on the rich and corporations?

First of all Obama's policies go way beyond these issues, but to answer your questions:

Your first sentence makes you sound like a snarky lib. They're always on a quest to "teach something to the stupid people of the world" because they are elitists.

Did I say that those were Obama's only policies? No i didn't. So get over yourself.

That being said. In a lot of areas you're trying to have it both ways. Progressive liberalism is just that. You can't have a little bit. It always manifests itself with unintended (or actually intended but hidden) consequences. You say you voted Obama because you just couldn't hand it over to another Republican. Thats an amateurish reason. The republicans did a lot of the same things Obama is doing 10 fold right now. Ok the dems opposed the wars after they approved of them, but lets not open that can of worms. On everything else, they were both as liberal as the other. That is why REpubs were thrown out in 06 because they were the party in control. That is why the dems will be thrown out in '10. Conservative voters sat out the last 2 elections.

You consistently make inaccurate & often ignorant comments, so do you expect people to call you a genius? Apparently people who call you on your nonsense are "snarky libs" in your book, but then again in your fantasy world everyone who disagrees with you is a "lib". As for the Republicans to blame their failures on acting like liberals is ridiculous to say the least. As for conservatives they absolutely did vote... in fact as I recall a record number of people voted in the last election. As I said many times the most important voter these days is the swing voter... aka the moderates in most cases. 30% will vote Republican no matter what & 30% will vote Democrat no matter what. The roughly 40% of undecided voters are the key to any election & like it or not Obama got more of these voters to vote for him.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I am by no means an expert on this issue but I totally agree with the Blue Dog Democrat's 3 Principles: Controlling costs, Increasing value & Improving access. I do not favor a public option because from what I understand it may unintentionally increase costs.

The stripped down version of the public option - it doesn't even deserve that name anymore since it really won't be an option available to the public at large - might actually unintentionally increase cost. Specifically for the public option itself since it'll be left to absorb those that aren't profitable (those that are a net cost) but won't be available to those that are net payers. That's a failure from the start. A self fulfilling prophecy, if you will. Blue Dogs my ####### - they're not looking out for cost control and fiscal sanity, they're looking out for corporate profits.