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Filed: Timeline
Posted

My wife had an interview on September 27, 2009 and she did no pass, and they gave her a green sheet asking me to write a notarized statement describing how our relationship. I have summited it, and now i receive another green sheet. but this time under Section 221g of the act prohibits the issuance of a visa to anyone who has failed to present the documents required in connection with the visa application, or who has failed to summit sufficient credible evidence to support the claimed petitionable relationship. The following remarks apply in your case.

Your case has been administratively closed. Consular officers apply a "reasonable person standard" when evaluating the bona fides of claimed spousal and fiance relationship (9 FAM 42.43 N2,2(3). In the present case,

--Photographs submitted as evidence of the relationship indicate that Petitioner and Beneficiary have spent only four or five days together.

--It does not appear that the claimed relationship is continous and on going. For example, Petitioner has not returned to visit Beneficiary since July 2008.

--Beneficiary's chronology of the claimed relationship is not credible. For example, Beneficiary cannnot recalled when Petitioner proposed to her.

--Beneficiary is unaware of basic facts regarding Petitioners location and or hometown (features, characteristics, etc). For example Beneficiary was unaware of where Petitioner has lived for the past two years.

These facts as ascertained by consular officers would convince a reasonable person that the claimed relationship is a sham entered into solely for immigration purposes and to evade immigration laws. Therefore, pursuant to 9 FAM 41.81 N6.5, the reviewing officer has decided that the petition should be returned to the U.S citizenship and Immigration service with the recommendation that it be revoked. The case will next be reviewed by the immigrant Visa Chief and will be returned to USCIS for review and possible revocation upon his concurrence with the reviewing officers's decision. When USCIS receieved the returned petition, they will contact the petitioner, who has an opportunity to rebult consular findings concering the case. IF USCIS revokes the petition, beneficiary will become ineligible for a visa under section 212(a)(6)©(i) of the Act. For case status information, contact the USCIS office when the petition was filed.

My wife was not prepared for her interview but i am sure she answer all the questions ask correctly, just not detail. or was studdering which made the reviewing officer to be suspecious.

I am very upset, because this is my first marriage, and very heart broken. I really want to do something about this because my wife is cry like if a knife have stabbed her in the heart.

What really sucks because this is a real marriage. I didn't expect the interview to be so though. I was not aware of this nor had train to prepare my wife for the questions ask. This is very unjust for me. I can't afford to wait for who knows when for my wife to be here. I need her here now.

I will ask my priest who did my wedding in vietnam to write an letter explaining that my married did really happen.

The reason why i didn't go back to visit her offen is because i was in school. I just obtain my R.N (register nurse license).

I now realized those who are doing fake marriage are train very well when answering interviewer's questions.

And those who are doing real marriage careless because they think the interview will be a piece of cake. If i was aware of this i wouldn't have let this happen.

I really need help this very moment, if anyone out there who can provide me help it would be very appreciated.

Thank You for really my forum.

Best Regards,

Tuan Tran.

Here is a letter i wrote to VISA when they ask for a sworn, notarized statement about our relationship

TUAN ANH TRAN (PETITIONER)

DOB 05/01/1980

2213 E. JADE CT

CHANDLER, AZ 85286

To: NVC

My wife (Quyen Ngoc Tran) and I (Tuan Anh Tran) first met at Tan Son Nhat international airport on April 06, 2007. I was introduced to my wife by my uncle Thuy (Tran Xuan Thuy). The story all began when my mother (Thanh Thi Pham) went back to visit my grandparents in January 2006. She went looking for me a wife because my older brother had a bad marriage experience. My mother sees my brother’s divorce as a nightmare therefore wanted me to have a better marriage. She feels that someone who is raise in a good family and who is catholic would be better. So she spread the word, and the next thing you know people around Dong Nai would bring over their daughter’s picture, along with their email and telephone number to hand over to my mother to bring back to me in America. My Uncle Thuy and Quyen’s dad were good friends before I met Quyen. Because they were good friends and that was why my uncle recommended Quyen to me. During my mother’s stay in Vietnam, my uncle Thuy took Quyen’s father over to talk to my mother. Quyen’s father asked for permission for Quyen to get to know me. Quyen’s father said if our friendship does not work out then it would be fine too. So my mother took the word. Then after my mother returned to America, I received my first email from Quyen on February 06, 2006. She did not know my name at first, and called me by my email named. At first I did not have feelings for her because I did not think I would marry someone from Vietnam since I was raised in America. We would exchange emails and would chat on Yahoo Messenger. We had trouble communicating at first because I could not type Vietnamese that well, and also she was too slow when it comes to typing on yahoo messenger chat. Now she is better on the computer and type faster than before since we spend many hours online. Time went by and my feelings started to grow. Whenever I felt depressed, Quyen was always there to talk to me. That was when I began to like her. So on April 6 2007, I went back to Vietnam to visit her, and my grandparents. I met Quyen at Tan Son Nhat international airport for the first time. It was about noon time when I met her. I felt like a total stranger when I saw Quyen the first time and was speechless until the second day when we actually went out together on her moped. Quyen’s dad, uncle Thuy and my grandpa was also there to pick me up. I didn’t expect Quyen’s dad to be there. It was awkward for him to be there because Quyen and I just met for the first time. During my stay in Vietnam, Quyen took me out on her moped. She owns a Yamaha Mio and she would take me around town on it. Although she’s a new driver, I felt real safe when she drives. She is very slow and cautious when she drives. Her father would always call her home when it is late, and not let her stay with me for a long period of time because people in my village would make judgment. We went to many places during my stay such as Suoi Tien, Saigon, concert in Saigon, movies in Diamond Plaza, Big C, Bui Ne, and Nha Trang. I like traveling on the moped with her the most. Whenever we went anywhere far, her father would follow. We took a lot of pictures too during my three week stay. Towards the end of my stay, I brought my wife a ring at a Jewelry store at cho* Ben Thanh and I proposed to her. I don’t remember the exact date, but if I was to guess it would be on April 25, 2007. That was when I officially proposed. I became serious about our relationship and first discuss marriage on this day. That morning I told her I would marry her in the future when I am done with school. It was not a fancy proposal but I just promised that I was going to marry her. She smiled and allowed me to place the ring on her finger. I went back to America on April 27, 2007. We usually chat on the computer around 9 pm pacific time which would be like 11 am her time. We also talked on the phone for hours at night. I spent on average 80 dollars a month on international calls, and phone cards that I still have record of. We spent on average 25 hrs a week on the computer (yahoo messenger) and another 300 minutes on the phone a week. One day my grandfather and my Uncle living in Vietnam were talking on the phone with my mother, they would tell her that I should marry Quyen because she was just too good to miss out on. I did not think I would get married, because I felt I was not ready and that I was just accepted to nursing program. I think it was faith that brought us together because things went so quickly. I took advantage of this opportunity by manipulating my mother to agree with our marriage. I also told her if she did not help I would marry Quyen myself without anyone’s help. So my mother had an agreement with me and made me promise to do well in school. So that night I called Quyen and told her the good news about my parents agreeing with our marriage and my wife agreed with it also. So on the night of August 3, 2007 my mother called my father and had him call Quyen’s parents over the phone for permission for me to marry their daughter (Quyen). My parents and Quyen’s parents talked over the phone and they scheduled our wedding day on June 8, 2008. My parents chose that day because it did not have conflict with my schooling because I was off for summer break. My whole family had to fly to Vietnam just for my wedding on June 5, 2008 to attend our wedding on June 8, 2008. I felt Quyen was the one for me. She was very religious, innocent, compassionate, naive, and trustworthy.

During my first 3 weeks visit, I would see Quyen every day. Most of the time she would stay for 10-11hrs, and other days she can only stay for 5-6 hrs. But on average, I am guessing about 60 hrs a week.

I made a total of 2 trips to visit my wife in total. The first trip when I visit her, I stayed for 3 weeks. The second was our wedding and I stayed for about 6 weeks. After our marriage, I wanted to go back to visit her again but I was studying for the California Board of Registered Nurse Nclex Exam; therefore, I was not able to.

Today I received a phone call from my wife saying that I needed to provide a notarized letter. My wife would speak the truth and only the truth in which she did. I am away from my wife for a little over a year now. I was very excited when she was schedule for an interview, but now it is extend for another month for the next interview. I felt upset, disappointed, and heartbroken. I really miss her and I hope you can speed up on her visa. I hope to see my wife in America soon. Thank you for your time reading my letter, and the understanding of my concerns.

Tuan Anh Tran

Petitioner

Filed: Timeline
Posted

Those who are in the same situation as me, please write complain letters to the Senior officials. If we don't we will be the victims of someone's wrong.

If i had a chance i would tell the officials. Telling him to look at god above, Does he really believe his decision about revoking my wife's visa is the right thing to do by your lack of training.

Posted

First off, it is not wise put your address and date of birth on a public forum like this. I wouldn’t want you to add Identity fraud to the list of your worries. In your timeline letter I see somethings that might have puts some doubts in the Consulate Officer’s head.

So she spread the word, and the next thing you know people around Dong Nai would bring over their daughter’s picture, along with their email and telephone number to hand over to my mother to bring back to me in America.

To me, this looks like your family is shopping for a bride for you, in a way kind of advertising a Viet Kieu and selling you off so that their daughters can get a ticket out of Vietnam. I felt this statement was not needed in your time line, you could have just let them know that your uncle introduced you to your wife and describe the relationship your uncle had with her father.

Also in your timeline letter you went into great details about the beginning of your relationship but you gave poor description on your ongoing marriage after you married your wife. You could have went into more details about your conversations to her about your future together in the US what your plans are.

I would have tried to come to Vietnam as much as possible before she had her interview date. I think from reading your timeline you only Visited her 3 times total from the day you met her. That’s shows signs of a weak marriage to me. I know you talked everyday on the phone and chat but we are all different on the phone than in person. You can only try to build your relationship more and try to see her more so that you can prove to the consulate officer that your marriage is real. I would still consult a lawyer or someone professional and try to make more visits to her before they try to review your case again.

Good Luck.

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Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Vietnam
Timeline
Posted

Unfortunately, you didn't discover until it was too late that you really need to be well prepared for this consulate. It's too bad you didn't find this site before you filed your petition. In fact, it would have been even better if you'd found it before you got married. This would have helped you avoid some critical mistakes that, unfortunately, killed your visa.

How long has it been since you got the denial notice? If the Chief Consul hasn't reviewed your case yet then your petition might still be at the consulate. You might still have a chance of saving it if you can keep the petition at the consulate while you appeal. In order to do this, you will need an attorney fast. Try Marc Ellis. He knows the HCM consulate better than anyone, and he lives in HCMC.

http://www.marcellislaw.com/

12/15/2009 - K1 Visa Interview - APPROVED!

12/29/2009 - Married in Oakland, CA!

08/18/2010 - AOS Interview - APPROVED!

05/01/2013 - Removal of Conditions - APPROVED!

Filed: AOS (pnd) Country: Vietnam
Timeline
Posted
Unfortunately, you didn't discover until it was too late that you really need to be well prepared for this consulate. It's too bad you didn't find this site before you filed your petition. In fact, it would have been even better if you'd found it before you got married. This would have helped you avoid some critical mistakes that, unfortunately, killed your visa.

How long has it been since you got the denial notice? If the Chief Consul hasn't reviewed your case yet then your petition might still be at the consulate. You might still have a chance of saving it if you can keep the petition at the consulate while you appeal. In order to do this, you will need an attorney fast. Try Marc Ellis. He knows the HCM consulate better than anyone, and he lives in HCMC.

http://www.marcellislaw.com/

Hey friend

sorry to hear that , Do not need lawyer, they can not help you now, trust me hey men give a call I wil give good avice and what you do

johncali9

Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Vietnam
Timeline
Posted

Your family sounds like mine...LOL...my parents are trying to hook up my younger brother with a girl from VN because of my older brother's marriage...SHOOT, they're still trying to hook up my older brother--even though him and his wife are still married!! :P

You're not alone though. Your case had/has a lot of weaknesses, but it can still be fought...stick around and keep us updated and we'll help you with your case. If you do decide to hire a lawyer, make sure they have alot of immigration experience. Another VJ member was recently denied also and their spouse just met with the attorney previously mentioned...

Writing complaint letters about senior officials probably won't do much since they'll be the ones reading it--speaking to the public and getting them voted out of office is what you'd need to do (but this is on a bigger scale...). Just keep in mind, their decision wasn't personal, they just make the decision based on the information you provide. If a case seems odd even in the least bit, they have the right to deny your case. Just because they deny your case though doesn't mean your case is fraud, it just means that you had a weak case.

Hang in there! Your journey is just going to take a little longer than expected/wanted...

CR1/IR1 Timeline:

GENERAL INFO

[*]12-xx-2007 - 1st Trip (6wks) & Met him halfway around the world

[*]03-xx-2008 - Got engaged - two people on opposite sides of the world

[*]05-xx-2008 - 2nd Trip (2wks) - Engagement/Marriage/Consummation

[*]06-12-2008 - Filed I-130 (CR-1) with Vermont Service Center

[*]12-xx-2008 - 3rd Trip (4wks)

[*]06-05-2009 - Interview at 9:00am at HCMC Consulate (result: blue)

[*]07-08-2009 - Submitted RFE: Beneficiary's Relatives & Evidence of Relationship

[*]08-xx-2009 - 4th Trip (4wks)

[*]10-07-2009 - AP 91 days - Result: APPROVED!!

[*]10-31-2009 - POE: Detroit, MI

[*]11-18-2009 - Social Security Card

[*]11-20-2009 - Green Card

[*]01-21-2010 - Driver's License

THE NEXT STEPS...

[*]02/07/2011 - Renew Vietnam Passport

[*]07/30/2011 - Process of Removing Conditions Begins

[*]09/25/2011 - Date of I-751

[*]09/28/2011 - NOA1

[*]10/19/2011 - Biometrics

Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Jordan
Timeline
Posted

I have never seen a 221g with such DETAILED reasons for a denial, most people are in the dark so to speak with only one line to go on.

Like Jim said, try to keep your file there at the consulate...they spoonfed you their list of "problems" with the case. You can address them individually if they let your wife have another interview.

Good Luck

"you fondle my trigger then you blame my gun"

Timeline: 13 month long journey from filing to visa in hand

If you were lucky and got an approval and reunion with your loved one rather quickly; Please refrain from telling people who waited 6+ months just to get out of a service center to "chill out" or to "stop whining" It's insensitive,and unecessary. Once you walk a mile in their shoes you will understand and be heard.

Thanks!

Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Vietnam
Timeline
Posted

You will get the chance to rebut the CO's decision, but its a long process.

So...

1. Stop it from being sent back if you can. Your Federal Rep or Senator can help or hire an attorney (M.E.)

2. Take a step back and relax. You will go insane if you don't, trust me.

3. You have a list of reasons why you were denied at HCMC, so address each of the problems the CO had with your case.

a. gather bonafides to rebut the findings

b. get affidavits from family members about the validity of your marriage

c. write a letter explaining the reasons for discrepancies/misunderstandings

DO NOT CANCEL YOUR PETITION then file a new one. Let your current petition run though the BS(bureaucracy system).

CR-1 Visa

I-130 Sent : 2006-08-30

I-130 NOA1 : 2006-09-12

I-130 Approved : 2007-01-17

NVC Received : 2007-02-05

Consulate Received : 2007-06-09

Interview Date : 2007-08-16 Case sent back to USCIS

NOA case received by CSC: 2007-12-19

Receive NOIR: 2009-05-04

Sent Rebuttal: 2009-05-19

NOA rebuttal entered: 2009-06-05

Case sent back to NVC for processing: 2009-08-27

Consulate sends DS-230: 2009-11-23

Interview: 2010-02-05 result Green sheet for updated I864 and photos submit 2010-03-05

APPROVED visa pick up 2010-03-12

POE: 2010-04-20 =)

GC received: 2010-05-05

Processing

Estimates/Stats : Your I-130 was approved in 140 days.

Filed: Timeline
Posted

You've made a big mistake before, skipping consultation with an experienced immigration attorney, and you're still trying to repeat that same mistake again. Now that you're a RN, making good $, try to make your money work in your advantage.

Your timeline bored me personally with unnecessary boring loved stories, which believe or not the COs already heard thousands of times while investigating fraudulent marriage cases in VN. Keep it short and concise.

To everyone else involved in this type of journey, just because you "feel" being loved, genuinely or not, by someone in VN doesn't mean that feeling is mutually shared by the CO staff in Saigon. If you have the thinking having a marriage over there might "save" you money compared to a typical marriage here in the States, you'll be in a big surprise. That's why it's crucially important to make sure you spend all the $$$ you can afford to make the necessary trips over there with your loved one so you won't end up in messy situations like this one.

The COs won't care if you have limited vacation time or monetary resources to make these trips. Remember you're the one who prefers this type of long-distant relationship, not them.

Just remember, life over there in VN is NOT real! Your money will be worth a LOT less once you get back over here. Back to reality, cowboy!

Filed: Timeline
Posted

I found a lady who works for an immigration attorney here in the U.S. Everyone say she's very good and have solved many of these cases. I also have connection with someone who works in the Visa center, she helps with the interview and have connections with the bigger boss. She said to give her a week so she can pull out my record and she will give me an answer if she can take the case.

She's working hand and hand with the lady here in america to handle my case.

I hope to hear good news from her.

Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Vietnam
Timeline
Posted
I found a lady who works for an immigration attorney here in the U.S. Everyone say she's very good and have solved many of these cases. I also have connection with someone who works in the Visa center, she helps with the interview and have connections with the bigger boss. She said to give her a week so she can pull out my record and she will give me an answer if she can take the case.

She's working hand and hand with the lady here in america to handle my case.

I hope to hear good news from her.

Your post is a little confusing. Everyone says who is good? The lady who works for the immigration attorney, or the immigration attorney? Is the immigration attorney going to be helping your, or is the lady who works for the attorney going to be helping you?

Also, when you say "Visa center" are you talking about the consulate in HCM? Are you saying that an employee of the consulate is offering to use her inside connections to help you with your case, and she's going to work with the lady in the US who works for an attorney?

This sounds very suspicious. It sounds like you're about to get fleeced out of a bunch of money. :huh:

12/15/2009 - K1 Visa Interview - APPROVED!

12/29/2009 - Married in Oakland, CA!

08/18/2010 - AOS Interview - APPROVED!

05/01/2013 - Removal of Conditions - APPROVED!

Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Vietnam
Timeline
Posted
I found a lady who works for an immigration attorney here in the U.S. Everyone say she's very good and have solved many of these cases. I also have connection with someone who works in the Visa center, she helps with the interview and have connections with the bigger boss. She said to give her a week so she can pull out my record and she will give me an answer if she can take the case.

She's working hand and hand with the lady here in america to handle my case.

I hope to hear good news from her.

Your post is a little confusing. Everyone says who is good? The lady who works for the immigration attorney, or the immigration attorney? Is the immigration attorney going to be helping your, or is the lady who works for the attorney going to be helping you?

Also, when you say "Visa center" are you talking about the consulate in HCM? Are you saying that an employee of the consulate is offering to use her inside connections to help you with your case, and she's going to work with the lady in the US who works for an attorney?

This sounds very suspicious. It sounds like you're about to get fleeced out of a bunch of money. :huh:

I agree with Jim. I hope that you have not paid this woman any real money (more than $100-$200) for her "help."

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Filed: Timeline
Posted
I found a lady who works for an immigration attorney here in the U.S. Everyone say she's very good and have solved many of these cases. I also have connection with someone who works in the Visa center, she helps with the interview and have connections with the bigger boss. She said to give her a week so she can pull out my record and she will give me an answer if she can take the case.

She's working hand and hand with the lady here in america to handle my case.

I hope to hear good news from her.

Your post is a little confusing. Everyone says who is good? The lady who works for the immigration attorney, or the immigration attorney? Is the immigration attorney going to be helping your, or is the lady who works for the attorney going to be helping you?

Also, when you say "Visa center" are you talking about the consulate in HCM? Are you saying that an employee of the consulate is offering to use her inside connections to help you with your case, and she's going to work with the lady in the US who works for an attorney?

This lady works in the consulate in HCM. And have connection with senor official. She ask for 2 hundred. She told me to wait for her call in a week time to see if my case can still be saved. The lady who works in arizona and her are good friend and she won't be involve now since the paperwork has not been sent back to immigration office in America. What ever happens will happen I don't know what I should do In the mean time. Just got my r.n license need to find a job to pay for an attorney if the two I just hire does not work out. I have trust the lady I just hire In vietnam can take care of it since she was able to see my records mean she isn't simple. Since she works in the consulant in hcm I got good chance. It's been like a week now since I recieve that green letter that said my visa has been denied . How would I write an appeal when my file is still In Vietnam and being assess by a senior chief official

This sounds very suspicious. It sounds like you're about to get fleeced out of a bunch of money. :huh:

I agree with Jim. I hope that you have not paid this woman any real money (more than $100-$200) for her "help."

Filed: Timeline
Posted
I found a lady who works for an immigration attorney here in the U.S. Everyone say she's very good and have solved many of these cases. I also have connection with someone who works in the Visa center, she helps with the interview and have connections with the bigger boss. She said to give her a week so she can pull out my record and she will give me an answer if she can take the case.

She's working hand and hand with the lady here in america to handle my case.

I hope to hear good news from her.

Your post is a little confusing. Everyone says who is good? The lady who works for the immigration attorney, or the immigration attorney? Is the immigration attorney going to be helping your, or is the lady who works for the attorney going to be helping you?

Also, when you say "Visa center" are you talking about the consulate in HCM? Are you saying that an employee of the consulate is offering to use her inside connections to help you with your case, and she's going to work with the lady in the US who works for an attorney?

If my file is sent back to USCIS and my appeal is accepted the visa can not fail me again for the reason I was denied for the first interview. But this step would require long wait time compare to handling it when it is still in vietnam

This lady works in the consulate in HCM. And have connection with senor official. She ask for 2 hundred. She told me to wait for her call in a week time to see if my case can still be saved. The lady who works in arizona and her are good friend and she won't be involve now since the paperwork has not been sent back to immigration office in America. What ever happens will happen I don't know what I should do In the mean time. Just got my r.n license need to find a job to pay for an attorney if the two I just hire does not work out. I have trust the lady I just hire In vietnam can take care of it since she was able to see my records mean she isn't simple. Since she works in the consulant in hcm I got good chance. It's been like a week now since I recieve that green letter that said my visa has been denied . How would I write an appeal when my file is still In Vietnam and being assess by a senior chief official

This sounds very suspicious. It sounds like you're about to get fleeced out of a bunch of money. :huh:

I agree with Jim. I hope that you have not paid this woman any real money (more than $100-$200) for her "help."

Posted

those COs are just stupid dumpass. forget them just come back to VN and live with your wife.

by doing so you can get grid off $100,000 student loan.

GLTY

CR1 timeline:

11/2008: submit I130

11/15/2008: case sent to CSC

06/02/2009: uscis approval

08/05/2009: interview-get blue slip request timeline

08/25/2009: submit timeline - get denial blue slip

Không có gì quý hơn độc lập tự do."

Tôi biết nó, thằng nói câu nói đó

Tôi biết nó, đồng bào miền Bắc này biết nó

Việc nó làm, tội nó phạm ra sao

Nó đầu tiên đem râu nó bện vào

Hình xác lão Mao lông lá

Bàn tay Nga đầy băng tuyết giá

Cũng nhoài qua lục địa Trung Hoa

Không phải xoa đầu mà túm tóc nó từ xa

Nó đứng không yên, tất bật, điên đầu

Lúc rụi vào Tàu, lúc rúc vào Nga

Nó gọi Tàu Nga là cha anh nó Và tình nguyện làm con chó nhỏ

Xông xáo giữ nhà gác ngõ cho cha anh

 
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