President Obama has already hit the links as much as President Bush did in over two years

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Because they are gay?

[Kevin and 10]

I thought Mr. Obama not have the same 'walking and talking' issues as Mr. Bush?

Golf is a game for walking and talking, IMO.

Homos play golf.

Tiger might disagree.

[HAL 9000 96]

Because they are gay?

Ha ha, not you. The one that seems to think people say things they actually don't.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Because they are gay?

Ha ha, not you. The one that seems to think people say things they actually don't.

It could be the voices in one's head.

[HAL 9000 96]

So lets see what the voices say. Or is it just... The Voice?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Obama needs to get the troops there and then decide whether to pull out or not.

Brilliant!

[scandal 951]

Neither Obama nor Bush comes close to the record for Presidential golf games.

Woodrow Wilson blows them both away. He was an avid (though apparently lousy) golfer:

Wilson holds the record of all the presidents for the most rounds of golf,[25] over 1,000, or almost one every other day. During the winter, the Secret Service would paint golf balls with black paint so Wilson could hit them around in the snow on the White House lawn.

He did manage to get us in and out of WWI pretty efficiently, even with all that golf, though.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Neither Obama nor Bush comes close to the record for Presidential golf games.

Woodrow Wilson blows them both away. He was an avid (though apparently lousy) golfer:

Wilson holds the record of all the presidents for the most rounds of golf,[25] over 1,000, or almost one every other day. During the winter, the Secret Service would paint golf balls with black paint so Wilson could hit them around in the snow on the White House lawn.

He did manage to get us in and out of WWI pretty efficiently, even with all that golf, though.

Wilson was gay too.

[scandal 951]

Neither Obama nor Bush comes close to the record for Presidential golf games.

Woodrow Wilson blows them both away. He was an avid (though apparently lousy) golfer:

Wilson holds the record of all the presidents for the most rounds of golf,[25] over 1,000, or almost one every other day. During the winter, the Secret Service would paint golf balls with black paint so Wilson could hit them around in the snow on the White House lawn.

He did manage to get us in and out of WWI pretty efficiently, even with all that golf, though.

Wilson was gay too.

He was racist and segregated the federal civil service by forcing out blacks who had been obtaining government jobs during Reconstruction. He personally set back civil rights and integration more than any President in the post Civil War era. Other than that though, he was a pretty righteous dude.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Neither Obama nor Bush comes close to the record for Presidential golf games.

Woodrow Wilson blows them both away. He was an avid (though apparently lousy) golfer:

Wilson holds the record of all the presidents for the most rounds of golf,[25] over 1,000, or almost one every other day. During the winter, the Secret Service would paint golf balls with black paint so Wilson could hit them around in the snow on the White House lawn.

He did manage to get us in and out of WWI pretty efficiently, even with all that golf, though.

Wilson was gay too.

He was racist and segregated the federal civil service by forcing out blacks who had been obtaining government jobs during Reconstruction. He personally set back civil rights and integration more than any President in the post Civil War era. Other than that though, he was a pretty righteous dude.

Did he like sheep? That is the true measure of a man's worth.

[scandal 951]

Did he like sheep? That is the true measure of a man's worth.

Google: Woodrow Wilson +sheep :

http://clinton2.nara.gov/WH/glimpse/presid.../html/ww28.html

Fun Fact: Sheep on the White House lawn? A flock of sheep grazed during Woodrow Wilson's term. Their wool was sold to raise money for the Red Cross during World War I.

http://mobile.biography.com/item.jsp?key=a...amp;rc=anm_pres

President Woodrow Wilson had a herd of sheep during his White House years. One, an old ram named Old Ike, liked to chew tobacco. During World War I, President Wilson allowed the sheep to graze on the White House lawn. This was part of the family's war effort; with sheep keeping the grass trimmed, no manpower was needed for that job. When they were shorn, the sheep's wool was auctioned to raise money for the Red Cross.

:dance:

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Kill Bush? Aside from the fact that I never have nor ever would support such a bastardly notion, what would that accomplish? Contrary to what you seem to believe, the death of a fellow human doesn't give me any joy.

And contrary to what you seem to have read my argument is and has been two-fold:

1) I believe that careful and comprehensive consideration ought to be given to any request for more troops. A cost/benefit analysis as well as an ongoing strategy consideration should occur before troops are comitted. The administration owes as much to the military and the country and this isn't a process that happens overnight. Western yahoo style shooting from the hip is not a fruitful approach as the last 8 years have impressively demonstrated.

2) All those outraged by Obama's consideration of the general's troop request need to proudly wear the label of a hypocrite as I don't recall any of them - including you - being outraged when Bush & Co. sat on their general's request for months never providing a single pair of the additional 60,000 boots that the general wanted to have on the ground there. Selective outrage is the game of the day for the RWN. That's well established.

Lastly, I am actually at odds with the Obama administration over Afghanistan as I think that rather than getting deeper into this mess, we ought to be getting out. There's nothing to be won over there.

I agree but for different reasons. Afghanistan is in a 35 year old civil war as stated in this former marine turned foreign service officers resignation letter as of today. My political science professor once said it best in that we should get out of the Afghan War because many a great nation have fallen in these lands. There is its history of long wars here and then there is the fact that the ideology we are fighting there is also in 23 different countries and we can't be in all of them. How can we justify just this one or that one? We're going to have to change strategy on the home front which is what really needs the critical eye of scrutiny. The decision about sending more troops or not should be the easy and intuitive one.

Obama has nearly finished gathering information on whether to send tens of thousands more American forces to quell the deepening insurgency, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said. source

That said this article just today claims October is the deadlist month for US in Afghan War. I have to agree with those that say every life lost in the wars right now are on the current administration.

There is a whole bunch of people who voted for Obama because they wanted the US to get out of these Wars. I want Obama to get us out of these wars and bring home the troops.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Kill Bush? Aside from the fact that I never have nor ever would support such a bastardly notion, what would that accomplish? Contrary to what you seem to believe, the death of a fellow human doesn't give me any joy.

And contrary to what you seem to have read my argument is and has been two-fold:

1) I believe that careful and comprehensive consideration ought to be given to any request for more troops. A cost/benefit analysis as well as an ongoing strategy consideration should occur before troops are comitted. The administration owes as much to the military and the country and this isn't a process that happens overnight. Western yahoo style shooting from the hip is not a fruitful approach as the last 8 years have impressively demonstrated.

2) All those outraged by Obama's consideration of the general's troop request need to proudly wear the label of a hypocrite as I don't recall any of them - including you - being outraged when Bush & Co. sat on their general's request for months never providing a single pair of the additional 60,000 boots that the general wanted to have on the ground there. Selective outrage is the game of the day for the RWN. That's well established.

Lastly, I am actually at odds with the Obama administration over Afghanistan as I think that rather than getting deeper into this mess, we ought to be getting out. There's nothing to be won over there.

I agree but for different reasons. Afghanistan is in a 35 year old civil war as stated in this former marine turned foreign service officers resignation letter as of today. My political science professor once said it best in that we should get out of the Afghan War because many a great nation have fallen in these lands. There is its history of long wars here and then there is the fact that the ideology we are fighting there is also in 23 different countries and we can't be in all of them. How can we justify just this one or that one? We're going to have to change strategy on the home front which is what really needs the critical eye of scrutiny. The decision about sending more troops or not should be the easy and intuitive one.

Obama has nearly finished gathering information on whether to send tens of thousands more American forces to quell the deepening insurgency, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said. source

That said this article just today claims October is the deadlist month for US in Afghan War. I have to agree with those that say every life lost in the wars right now are on the current administration.

There is a whole bunch of people who voted for Obama because they wanted the US to get out of these Wars. I want Obama to get us out of these wars and bring home the troops.

I don't know that your reason for getting out is all tat different from mine - there isn't anything to be won just sums up what you said. But hey, word on the last paragraph.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Neither Obama nor Bush comes close to the record for Presidential golf games.

Woodrow Wilson blows them both away. He was an avid (though apparently lousy) golfer:

Wilson holds the record of all the presidents for the most rounds of golf,[25] over 1,000, or almost one every other day. During the winter, the Secret Service would paint golf balls with black paint so Wilson could hit them around in the snow on the White House lawn.

He did manage to get us in and out of WWI pretty efficiently, even with all that golf, though.

Wilson was gay too.

He was racist and segregated the federal civil service by forcing out blacks who had been obtaining government jobs during Reconstruction. He personally set back civil rights and integration more than any President in the post Civil War era. Other than that though, he was a pretty righteous dude.

I thought he was also a Klan member.

[Ban Hammer 13,348]

He was racist and segregated the federal civil service by forcing out blacks who had been obtaining government jobs during Reconstruction. He personally set back civil rights and integration more than any President in the post Civil War era. Other than that though, he was a pretty righteous dude.

:blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:

yeah i guess that's one take on it - as long as one didn't speak out against ww1.....

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917

Thus, while "espionage" is usually defined as a clandestine activity of getting secret information and passing it on to the enemy, the law vastly extended the meaning of the term to include also the openly carried expressing of political opinions, without revealing any secret, and by persons who had no connection with the enemy - as long as the expressing of such opinions was construed as helping the enemy.

This was punishable by a maximum $USD 10,000 fine (almost $170,000 in today's dollars) and 20 years in prison (almost 22.5 years in today's years in respect to life expectancy).

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

The Sedition Act of 1918 (May 16, 1918) was an amendment to the Espionage Act of 1917 passed at the urging of President Woodrow Wilson, who was concerned that dissent, in time of war, was a significant threat to morale. The passing of this act forbade Americans to use "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, flag, or armed forces during war. The act also allowed the Postmaster General to deny mail delivery to dissenters of government policy during wartime.

The Espionage Act made it a crime to help enemies of the United States, but the Sedition Act made it a crime to utter, print, write or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the United States' form of government.

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yeah, some "...righteous dude." he shredded the first amendment.

Edited October 28, 2009 by charles!