25 Neo-Nazi's protest non-White Immigration in Riverside, CA

[Peikko 1,575]

I am speaking up against fascist groups BY, as my posts clearly demonstrate.  What that has to do with UK immigration policy is anyone's guess - but you draw the most peculiar conclusions based on nothing at all as is your want.

Who here has supported them Cleo? Come on, I know you are smarter than making red-herring arguments like that.

I haven't accused anyone of anything, but you would know that if you had actually read the thread

Edited October 26, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[Ken y Leidys 20]

I get paid for my opinions.

Uh, Neo Conservative opinions?

[Heracles 417]

Numerous posters on here and in various other threads do remind me of a speaker at a liberal forum I once watched on TV, who refused to listen to someone speak until they openly stated 'they opposed nuclear weapons'. I feel we have the same issue here. Where unless someone states that they don't support bla bla bla, others will try to use it against them.

For example, unless I waste time stating I don't believe all Mexicans are thugs, you will not let me live it down. Personally, I would have thought that by default, it's a given and does not need to be defined; I guess not.

[Susita 175]

This video is common sense. However, as with most such documentaries, it fails to address cultural differences, which can be huge. For example, North vs South vs Midwest vs East coast. Or US vs Canada vs UK vs Australia. If we sampled NYC, would they have the same attitude or likes/dislikes as someone from Sydney? I doubt it.

Discussion of cultural differences can easily turn in racist allegations, especially in the United States where many don't understand or accept the differences. Human behavior is far from homogeneous.

It actually does talk about this. The documentary is like 3 hours long.

[Susita 175]

So Latinos are the victim are they? That is a first. Unfortunately the crime stats seem to suggest otherwise. not to mention, the immigration stats were they have basically swamped the country and by means of numbers, muscled their way in ahead of everyone else.

Spoken like an American Lib. For example, you want to prevent people blowing your cities, however, you disapprove with every and any realistic means available to do so. It's usually against something you guys stand for. As per usual, no suggestion on how to stop them but simply what methods you do not agree with using. It's the same mentality regarding illegal aliens. Apparently you do not condone it but I can bet a NYC apartment on it that you will be against most realistic (real world) solutions in catching them.

I live in the suburbs so a NYC apartment isn't appealing to me right now. Bet a 5 BR Ranch with an in ground pool and we'll talk bizness

Many different peoples are the victims of racism in different areas. Here in NY, there have been numerous hate crimes against latino immigrants, and forgive me if it's close to my heart, as you have probably seen/heard in the forums a big bulk of my family is Puerto Rican. Not to mention my husband is Peruvian and that my children will grow up in a culture that will stigmatize them for no other reason than their last name and skin color. This is not right.

In other areas of NYC, there have been serious hate crimes against Jews. For the years following 9/11 tons of people who looked like they were of Middle Eastern decent (and some were not) were murdered on the street. Unfortunately, one of them was a crime scene that I saw and it was horrible. The man was Guyanese (from S. America, not even the right region of the world). African Americans still suffer from this as well. And if you don't think it happens to white americans, you're wrong.

My point is that no one should be stigmatized/discriminated against for the color of their skin or their country of origin. It's just wrong. You want to tell my kids that they're less of a person because their skin color and last name denotate that they will form part of some crime stats you pulled off a conservative website? You do that. Because I won't.

Oh and PS - Illegal immigration won't stop or slow down until something is done about the corrupt governments in the countries of which these people flee. They will continue risking their lives to come here until their presidents stop lining their pockets and start taking care of their citizens. No guards or wall is going to do anything about that. We deport them, they come back. The problem needs to be solved at the root.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Re the bolded: Now that is a complete lie.

Secondly - I don't think you're doing Sofiyya any favors by trying to interpret her posts - as you generally do a piss poor job of it where anyone is concerned.

Thirdly - objecting to a person's opinion has ####### all to do with "squashing" free speech.

It's not a lie. Will I go into a thread pedroh is posting and personally attack him? Will I follow hal and attack him? No aaaaand No. But I know what your issue is. Apart from the obvious, you seem to feel someone voicing their opinions gives you the right to attack them because you disagree. It really it is liberal 101; which you deny being of course. Then again, in your case, I probably believe you as they are at least passionate about something. You on the other hand, just post for the sake of reading your posts and gloating over your witty use of the English language.

Lesson of the day: Rather than discuss the point, when some disagree with a lib's view, they will attack the person or the person's character.

PS Never said I was trying to interpret anyone's posts.

Stupid is as stupid does, BY. It is and you are

Yawn. It's you who is the idiot mate. It's why hot-air is the only thing the emanates from your posts. Hence why you have yet to say what you actually do in life nor what your degree (aka skilled in) is in. Obviously something to do with writing, as that is all you are good at.

The above post is a prime example of "hot air". I don't really care about what you do offline and ironically enough you've never provided more than random boasts about money, property and expensive cars.

If you don't follow people around for the purposes of antagonising them, then what is it when your first post in a thread is to call someone a "pickey"?

More lies.

[Heracles 417]

Many different peoples are the victims of racism in different areas. Here in NY, there have been numerous hate crimes against latino immigrants, and forgive me if it's close to my heart, as you have probably seen/heard in the forums a big bulk of my family is Puerto Rican. Not to mention my husband is Peruvian and that my children will grow up in a culture that will stigmatize them for no other reason than their last name and skin color. This is not right.

In other areas of NYC, there have been serious hate crimes against Jews. For the years following 9/11 tons of people who looked like they were of Middle Eastern decent (and some were not) were murdered on the street. Unfortunately, one of them was a crime scene that I saw and it was horrible. The man was Guyanese (from S. America, not even the right region of the world). African Americans still suffer from this as well. And if you don't think it happens to white americans, you're wrong.

My point is that no one should be stigmatized/discriminated against for the color of their skin or their country of origin. It's just wrong. You want to tell my kids that they're less of a person because their skin color and last name denotate that they will form part of some crime stats you pulled off a conservative website? You do that. Because I won't.

Oh and PS - Illegal immigration won't stop or slow down until something is done about the corrupt governments in the countries of which these people flee. They will continue risking their lives to come here until their presidents stop lining their pockets and start taking care of their citizens. No guards or wall is going to do anything about that. We deport them, they come back. The problem needs to be solved at the root.

Have you ever heard the saying that your thoughts dictate your future? I heard it from Suzie Orman. I believe it and I think this is why the US is having so many race related issues. Prior to moving here, I never heard so many race based issues in my life. It's not as if the country is racist either, probably even less racist the Aus. Yet race is in our face 24/7. For this reason race is always an issue. Then you have the double standards, where it's okay to discuss and promote minorities achievements but a huge no no (aka racist) to talk about anything negative (backed by facts) associated with them. It also makes other people feel they are useless compared to these two Grande minorities; in other words, its racist itself.

Fat chance the US is going to get involved in their affairs. South America will cry murder and accuse the US of being imperialistic and forcing their views on them. It’s up to South Americans to rid their governments of corruption, not the United States. All the US can do is assist. The only reason they come back is because liberal laws allow them to function freely in America. States like NY use my tax to provide them free services. Fines to employers are not adequate and there is no mandate requiring the verification of status to acquire a job or use tax payer funded services. The United States needs to focus on the United States. Playing world cop has resulting in the world hating the country.

Edited October 26, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Erm - race is an issue in the US because the country was built off the back of slaves; and because legal support of segregation laws were in the law books until as recently as 1970.

[Heracles 417]

Erm - race is an issue in the US because the country was built off the back of slaves; and because legal support of segregation laws were in the law books until as recently as 1970.

Race is an issue in 2009 because there are people who stand to gain from it.

Promoting minorities while crapping on everyone else is racist in itself.

Newsflash: Most countries around the world had a history with slavery. It's certainly not isolated to the US. Also disingenuous and moronic to use historical events from over 100 years ago to justify 2009.

Edited October 26, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Erm - race is an issue in the US because the country was built off the back of slaves; and because legal support of segregation laws were in the law books until as recently as 1970.

Race is an issue in 2009 because there are people who stand to gain from it.

Promoting minorities while crapping on everyone else is racist in itself.

Newsflash: Most countries around the world had a history with slavery. It's certainly not isolated to the US. Also disingenuous and moronic to use historical events from over 100 years ago to justify 2009.

As I told you BY, there were laws that supported racial segregation which were active up until 1970 - if nothing else that should give you some idea of why its still a sensitive issue in the US today.

[Heracles 417]

As I told you BY, there were laws that supported racial segregation which were active up until 1970 - if nothing else that should give you some idea of why its still a sensitive issue in the US today.

40 years ago.

I think you need to look into your mother country's racist past before pointing fingers. Does anyone hold that against them? No and for obvious reason. Furthermore, it serves no purpose and achieves nothing. Looking for and even finding people to blame for your problems does nothing to actually help you or solve your problem.

Not once in my life have I heard a single Australian curse a Brit because of being exiled there. They got over it and moved on. Hence, their huge success.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As I told you BY, there were laws that supported racial segregation which were active up until 1970 - if nothing else that should give you some idea of why its still a sensitive issue in the US today.

40 years ago.

I think you need to look into your mother country's racist past before pointing fingers. Does anyone hold that against them? No and for obvious reason. Furthermore, it serves no purpose and achieves nothing. Looking for and even finding people to blame for your problems does nothing to actually help you or solve your problem.

Not once in my life have I heard a single Australian curse a Brit because of being exiled there. They got over it and moved on. Hence, their huge success.

I'm not pointing any fingers, BY.

Yes Britain has had (and still has) problems with racism - but I don't believe we actually had laws that enforced racial discrimination and segregation - certainly not as recently as 1970.

The point being - that its still within living memory. Its the legacy of what happened 150-200 years ago; but society doesn't magically heal all of its ills overnight.

[Amby 490]

As I told you BY, there were laws that supported racial segregation which were active up until 1970 - if nothing else that should give you some idea of why its still a sensitive issue in the US today.

40 years ago.

I think you need to look into your mother country's racist past before pointing fingers. Does anyone hold that against them? No and for obvious reason. Furthermore, it serves no purpose and achieves nothing. Looking for and even finding people to blame for your problems does nothing to actually help you or solve your problem.

Not once in my life have I heard a single Australian curse a Brit because of being exiled there. They got over it and moved on. Hence, their huge success.

I'm not pointing any fingers, BY.

Yes Britain has had (and still has) problems with racism - but I don't believe we actually had laws that enforced racial discrimination and segregation - certainly not as recently as 1970.

The point being - that its still within living memory. Its the legacy of what happened 150-200 years ago; but society doesn't magically heal all of its ills overnight.

all I have to say about racism in britain is "paki"

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Even before that there was resentment of Jamaican immigrants after WW2, its pretty much a universal thing whenever there is an influx of people from a particular region.

At the moment, the target of choice is Eastern Europeans.

[Amby 490]

Even before that there was resentment of Jamaican immigrants after WW2, its pretty much a universal thing whenever there is an influx of people from a particular region.

At the moment, the target of choice is Eastern Europeans.

Yes I remember on the news there being huge problems with eastern europeans coming to the UK to work. For some reason I remember Bulgaria and Poland being the biggest countries to cause complaints.