25 Neo-Nazi's protest non-White Immigration in Riverside, CA

[Ken y Leidys 20]

You called me ignorant for not aligning with groups that, according to you, care about my heritage. Do tell; what group or groups care about my heritage.

I think your problem is, you can't read English or your senile or both.

[almaty 19]

you tell them brother ken..

f##k the klan and the fascist here in america.,..

[Ken y Leidys 20]

600 counterprotestors rush 20 neo-Nazu protesters in Riverside demonstration

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/41692/

RIVERSIDE - Two members of the Brown Berets were facing possible charges today in a clash with neo-Nazis, who were demonstrating near a day laborer site in Riverside.

A group of counterprotesters rushed about 20 neo-Nazis near Madison Street and Railroad Avenue Saturday afternoon, and police arrested an unidentified man who pushed over a police barricade, the Press-Enterprise reported.

Geronimo Rivera, 32, was led away by police and arrested on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon for allegedly throwing some limes at the demonstrators, the newspaper reported. He was being held in lieu of $25,000 bail.

The fight erupted shortly after the neo-Nazis took up positions behind metal barricades erected by the Riverside police to keep the group separate from some 600 counterprotesters.

The demonstration was a follow-up to a rally held last month in the same area.

Jeff Hall, a Riverside resident and state director of the National Socialist Movement, said the group met its goal -- to shut down the day laborer site.

"We're going to be here again and again," he said.

From what I observed from their website and the vids posted here, they seem to be some type of White Nationalistic group, does that automatically make them Nazi's?

Many of these type groups do seem to have some Nazi affiliation.... but I didn't see any with this one.

Check out the Swastika Neo Nazi flags they're waving. Kinda reminiscent of Adolf Hitler's Nazi Youth, don't cha think???

[almaty 19]

spot on...there is no place in a country of immigrants for fascism

[Ken y Leidys 20]

spot on...there is no place in a country of immigrants for fascism

Except perhaps in for former Soviet Union. They have 50,000 Skinheads in St. Petersburg alone!

Danno, PJ, Sofyaa...Here's what NSM look like. You're being pimped!

[Ken y Leidys 20]

Russia has at least 50,000 Skinheads with active groups in 85 cities, with the estimated total number of Racial activists outside Russia no more than 70,000 according to the Moscow "Human Rights" centre. The leftists claim that their are more Skinheads in Russia than in the rest of the

entire world.

Skinheads are currently the most hardcore

of all Russia’s nationalist activists. There only used to be skinhead groups in bigger cities and in the south of Russia where ethnic friction is intense, but now the skinhead movement has widened and expanded into many cities.

St. Petersburg (Formally Stalingrad) has the largest Skinhead population: 10,000-15,000 people; Kaliningrad has 1,000; Nizhny Novgorod has 600-2,000 Skinheads; Rostov on Don has more than 1,500 and Pskov, Yekaterinburg and Krasnodar

both have over 1,000 Skinheads.

[almaty 19]

russia has a long history of hatred of all minorities they invented the Jewish pogroms...

[Peikko 1,575]

Bother? It's no bother at all. I mention Tancredo and Rush and suddenly according to you VW I am suggesting that you should always vote Democrat. What utter twaddle.

You said this:

Showing once again just how ignorant you are VW. Why you get into bed with people that don't give a ###### about your heritage is beyond me, but hey, it's a free country.

This is a great example of utter twaddle, but it's your utter twaddle. So, explain why I should not interpret you calling me ignorant because I don't fall into lock step with those whom you have determined give a ###### about my heritage. That is clearly advocacy for a particular group or groups that you believe have my best interests at heart (since you know better than I do what I need or how I should think). I am asking you to name what group(s) you think I SHOULD be "in bed" with.

Only in your head could this be interpreted in the way you describe.  The rhetoric of the likes of Rush and Tancredo (the people referred to) never illuminates muslims in a positive light.  I therefore find your fascination with them bizarre bordering on idiotic, but of course according to you they are 'nice' people, (at least, your good friend Tom anyway) so that's all right then.  I have no idea why you think I have some special interest group lined up to take care of you by the way, that's an interesting fantasy on your part.  

[Kathryn41 3,205]

What I find interesting is that no one has mentioned this sentence:

Geronimo Rivera, 32, was led away by police and arrested on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon for allegedly throwing some limes at the demonstrators, the newspaper reported. He was being held in lieu of $25,000 bail.

Assault with a deadly weapon? Limes? Rocks I could understand but 'death by limeaid'?

Edited October 26, 2009 by Kathryn41

[peejay 327]

spot on...there is no place in a country of immigrants for fascism

Except perhaps in for former Soviet Union. They have 50,000 Skinheads in St. Petersburg alone!

Danno, PJ, Sofyaa...Here's what NSM look like. You're being pimped!

So...what the fuсk does Russian skinheads have to do with the SPLC and illegal aliens invading the USA by the millions through and from Mexico? Excuse me, but I don't see the connection.

[DeadPoolX 9]

The concept that you can agree or disagree with SOME ideals of ANY group is a very logical one.

Yeah but it's walking a very thin line when that group is lets say, the KKK or a group of neo-nazis.

You probably agree with them being against illegal immigration but I bet your reasoning for being against it is much, much different, and much more rational. You probably worry more about the economic implications, whereas racist groups worry first and foremost about, well, race.

Always a touchy subject, no?

You're right. My reasons against illegals is very different from racist hate groups. I never said it wasn't nor did I ever suggest I agreed with the policies of Neo Nazis and the KKK.

All I said was -- and I believe my statements were misinterpreted as condoning racism -- that I'm steadfastly against illegal immigration. It's in that area I happen to agree with these groups, but as you said, my agreement is not for the same reasons.

What I find interesting is that no one has mentioned this sentence:

Geronimo Rivera, 32, was led away by police and arrested on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon for allegedly throwing some limes at the demonstrators, the newspaper reported. He was being held in lieu of $25,000 bail.

Assault with a deadly weapon? Limes? Rocks I could understand but 'death by limeaid'?

Yeah, that is interesting. Maybe those were really, really hard limes?

[Peikko 1,575]

No Deadpool, I did not suggest you condoned racism. What I said was, that if, if mainstream citizens condone any of the actions of fascist groups they give these groups a legitimacy that the do not deserve, ever. That was and is my point.

[Peikko 1,575]

No Deadpool, I did not suggest you condoned racism. What I said was, that if, if mainstream citizens condone any of the actions of fascist groups they give these groups a legitimacy that the do not deserve, ever. That was and is my point.

Hey, I did an Almaty!

[Susita 175]

You're right. My reasons against illegals is very different from racist hate groups. I never said it wasn't nor did I ever suggest I agreed with the policies of Neo Nazis and the KKK.

All I said was -- and I believe my statements were misinterpreted as condoning racism -- that I'm steadfastly against illegal immigration. It's in that area I happen to agree with these groups, but as you said, my agreement is not for the same reasons.

I figured as much. When dealing with things like this unfortunately, you have to be super clear or people jump right on your statements and turn you into a bigot.

Most of the time in these threads I disagree with the constant stigma and poor treatment that latin american immigrants are given. Many are murdered, beaten or just humiliated. I, for one, believe that no one should be stigmatized or discriminated against for their nationality and/or legal status in this or any country.

However, most people take that to mean that I am FOR illegal immigration. That is very, very far from the truth. I just believe that enforcing the law and being completely prejudice and violent against groups of people are 2 completely different things. So I know where you're coming from when you say that you have been misunderstood!

[Peikko 1,575]

No, he was not 'misunderstood'. At least not by me. I have quite clearly again explained my position in relation to the OP article, and neo fascist groups and how supporting some of their actions is a dangerous avenue to persue. If Deadpool condones the actions of this facist group simply because they are in alignment with his views on illegal immigrants (though exactly how perventing day workers getting work can be considered a legitimate action in the fight against illegal immigration is beyond me) that is niave because as I said, such condonment serves to legitimize and move these groups into a more acceptable position. This is not a prudent course of action to take with fascist organizations.