25 Neo-Nazi's protest non-White Immigration in Riverside, CA

[Chica Yeyé 41]

It does illustrate why such arguments are inherently dodgy.

GH said "dodgy"

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Australia has its bad areas I'm sure.

As mentioned the same problems he's complaining about regarding violence and crime among blacks and latinos apply fairly well to the Australian Aborigines as well as Lebanese & Sudanese immigrant groups over there - all who have been tied to violent or other crime.

[Heracles 417]

And these social problems that are prevalent in those communities are largely created by a history of racism and discrimination (of class, social or economic status) which put people at a disadvantage based upon their race or heritage. Segregation of schools led to white children receiving a better education than that of minority children. White neighborhoods were not quick to accept a minority into their neighborhood. Property values went down when a black family moved into the neighborhood. To some extent, this persists even today.

For these, among other reasons, we still have a highly segregated society that slowly, but surely is changing for the better. However, you cannot stigmatize a community of individuals based upon their race. No one ignores the problems, but many sure do ignore the causes.

You're confusing class for race. Not sure where you have traveled to in the US but the country is filled with Caucasians living in poverty.

Damn straight there is going to be class segregation. I'll be damned if I spend time or associate with some ghetto urban thugs. What would be racist is if I hung out with the Caucasian version of these idiots. No, they are all as stupid as one another. As I have stated for the 1,000th time now, the students in the poorest county in the area, receive more funding the that my county, which has the highest average household income in the United States of America. So what else do you want us to do? Wipe their azz for them? It's their choice to behave like Neanderthals. To beat up 15 year old girls and rape them for two hours, while others students watch and take photos.

That's why nothing changes in this country. Because people like yourself excuse them and somehow make it out to be the fault of everyone else. For example, I live around a bunch or rich folks, however, you will rarely see them with kids hanging off their arm. To the contrary, go to a poor area and everyone has at least 2 to 4 kids. I know exactly how they are paying for these kids and it's called welfare. One of my wife's good friends is a social worker for Fairfax schools and she says it's not uncommon to go to a household that is worth at least $500K, and see two families at home during the day yet living off a range of welfare. Not to mention, free this and reduced lunch etc.

Australia has its bad areas I'm sure.

As mentioned the same problems he's complaining about regarding violence and crime among blacks and latinos apply fairly well to the Australian Aborigines as well as Lebanese & Sudanese immigrant groups over there - all who have been tied to violent or other crime.

One again, exception vs the norm. That is the point many here miss. The UK has 'bad areas' but nothing like or as frequent as the US. The but Australia has crime too is not a legitimate excuse.

Case is closed because BY the authority on all without any sort of reference says so. OK, well, you're still descended from a criminal, so I think I would have more faith in those who have no history of crime.

As per usual, you post a bunch of bull ####### yet fail to ever back anything up yourself.

Edited October 29, 2009 by Booyah!

[Heracles 417]

Levittown, NY... one of the first suburbs in America... mass produced after WWII, many soldiers bought their homes with the new GI Bill... of which all soldiers received. However, blacks, hispanics, asians etc. were not allowed to buy homes there. This was called real estate discrimination.

Just an example I found that I thought may be useful.

So for how many more decades are we going to use this excuse? 5, 10, 20, 50.

The reality in 2009 is that if anyone came to our office looking like this, I would throw them out.

The following get hired, regardless of race.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

#######. That b1tches' outfit is LAME and does not match. Fired, I say!!!

[Susita 175]

You're confusing class for race. Not sure where you have traveled to in the US but the country is filled with Caucasians living in poverty.

Damn straight there is going to be class segregation. I'll be damned if I spend time or associate with some ghetto urban thugs. What would be racist is if I hung out with the Caucasian version of these idiots. No, they are all as stupid as one another. As I have stated for the 1,000th time now, the students in the poorest county in the area, receive more funding the that my county, which has the highest average household income in the United States of America. So what else do you want us to do? Wipe their azz for them? It's their choice to behave like Neanderthals. To beat up 15 year old girls and rape them for two hours, while others students watch and take photos.

That's why nothing changes in this country. Because people like yourself excuse them and somehow make it out to be the fault of everyone else. For example, I live around a bunch or rich folks, however, you will rarely see them with kids hanging off their arm. To the contrary, go to a poor area and everyone has at least 2 to 4 kids. I know exactly how they are paying for these kids and it's called welfare. One of my wife's good friends is a social worker for Fairfax schools and she says it's not uncommon to go to a household that is worth at least $500K, and see two families at home during the day yet living off a range of welfare. Not to mention, free this and reduced lunch etc.

I'm not confused at all. I was born and raised in New York City and have lived in some questionable areas. I was one of those "ghetto urban" people you speak of but not everyone who lives in a lower class society is a thug. You're right there are plenty of white poor people too.

And I have two kids hanging off of my arm, and about to have a third. I guess it's a crime to want to have a family. And no, welfare doesn't pay for them, my husband and I do. I'm not talking about people who abuse welfare. Many people abuse welfare, people of many different races. The subject that I was talking about is a social phenomenon that goes back centuries in this country, racial and ethnic discrimination. It's a truth, it's a cause and it's real.

The situation of the people in this country is both fault of their own and the fault of their society and the society that preceded them. White people find it so mind boggling that minorities are in the situation that they are in, because they are, and always were the race that had the most advantages in this country and it is hard to understand the plight of others while you yourself have not had to live through it. It is also very easy to imagine how 'easy' it is to succeed in a society when you have had adequate preparation or finances to get you where you need to be.

I don't have any hopes of changing anyones opinion. But don't devalue mine just because you don't agree with me.

Edited October 29, 2009 by Susita

[Danno 1,228]

And I am still waiting on one white group in uniform that based around race... that gets approval from the "VJ racist police".

I guess the Latino s are all about Heritage but no white groups are.

Gee, how predictable.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

And I am still waiting on one white group in uniform that based around race... that gets approval from the "VJ racist police".

I guess the Latino s are all about Heritage but no white groups are.

Gee, how predictable.

[Danno 1,228]

Levittown, NY... one of the first suburbs in America... mass produced after WWII, many soldiers bought their homes with the new GI Bill... of which all soldiers received. However, blacks, hispanics, asians etc. were not allowed to buy homes there. This was called real estate discrimination.

Just an example I found that I thought may be useful.

Dang Girl, you are going all the way back to WW2, when I was a kid, WW2 was ancient history then fast forward 3 decades and you bring it up like it was yesterday.

I happen to grow up right near a Levittown too, wasn't any shortage of diversity then, in fact that was where Carl Lewis was from. (great American Sports hero).

At some point in time we have to stop regurgitation on the regretful parts of our past if we are ever going to come together.

It should be a real part of our history rather than a "daily devotion".

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

One again, exception vs the norm. That is the point many here miss. The UK has 'bad areas' but nothing like or as frequent as the US. The but Australia has crime too is not a legitimate excuse.

Why is it the "norm". Regardless of how frequent it is here Vs. elsewhere I don't think you can reasonably say that it's the norm. If it was the norm everyone would be doing it.

In any case all I'm saying is that correlations exist. It is certainly correct to say that blacks and hispanics are indeed over-represented in crime statistics, I don't see the problem in making a similar connection in relation to marginalised or disadvantaged groups in your country.

As I said earlier - what this illustrates is that the root of the problem lies in the marginalisation, rather than "that's how they are". Seems a more reasonable explanation to me.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Levittown, NY... one of the first suburbs in America... mass produced after WWII, many soldiers bought their homes with the new GI Bill... of which all soldiers received. However, blacks, hispanics, asians etc. were not allowed to buy homes there. This was called real estate discrimination.

Just an example I found that I thought may be useful.

Dang Girl, you are going all the way back to WW2, when I was a kid, WW2 was ancient history then fast forward 3 decades and you bring it up like it was yesterday.

I happen to grow up right near a Levittown too, wasn't any shortage of diversity then, in fact that was where Carl Lewis was from. (great American Sports hero).

At some point in time we have to stop regurgitation on the regretful parts of our past if we are ever going to come together.

It should be a real part of our history rather than a "daily devotion".

What is shows is that racial discrimination (of the officially endorsed government variety) is a lot more recent than harking back to slavery in the 18th and 19th centuries. I mentioned the other day that there were laws that supported racial segregation that were on the law books in some states until as recently as 1970.

When people tell others to "get over it", they're ignoring the fact that this stuff is very far from ancient history.

[Heracles 417]

I'm not confused at all. I was born and raised in New York City and have lived in some questionable areas. I was one of those "ghetto urban" people you speak of but not everyone who lives in a lower class society is a thug. You're right there are plenty of white poor people too.

And I have two kids hanging off of my arm, and about to have a third. I guess it's a crime to want to have a family. And no, welfare doesn't pay for them, my husband and I do. I'm not talking about people who abuse welfare. Many people abuse welfare, people of many different races. The subject that I was talking about is a social phenomenon that goes back centuries in this country, racial and ethnic discrimination. It's a truth, it's a cause and it's real.

The situation of the people in this country is both fault of their own and the fault of their society and the society that preceded them. White people find it so mind boggling that minorities are in the situation that they are in, because they are, and always were the race that had the most advantages in this country and it is hard to understand the plight of others while you yourself have not had to live through it. It is also very easy to imagine how 'easy' it is to succeed in a society when you have had adequate preparation or finances to get you where you need to be.

I don't have any hopes of changing anyones opinion. But don't devalue mine just because you don't agree with me.

First, lets examine the demographics of NYC:

As of the 2005–2007 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, White Americans made up 44.1% of New York City's population; of which 35.1% were non-Hispanic whites. Blacks or African Americans made up 25.2% of New York City's population; of which 23.7% were non-Hispanic blacks. American Indians made up 0.4% of the city's population; of which 0.2% were non-Hispanic. Asian Americans made up 11.6% of the city's population; of which 11.5% were non-Hispanic. Individuals from some other race made up 16.8% of the city's population; of which 1.0% were non-Hispanic. Individuals from two or more races made up 1.9% of the city's population; of which 1.0% were non-Hispanic. In addition, Hispanics and Latinos made up 27.4% of New York City's population

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

NYC is almost a country of its own and hardly represents the demographics of most other towns or cities in America. As such, anyone who was born and raised in NYC, probably has quite a different mentality and experience to that of the 97% of the country that does not live in NYC.

While what you are saying is correct, that it's not only up to the people to get themselves back on their feet, blaming others is evidently quite common. Some clearly believe whining rather than doing will solve their problem. With all this crying one would think NYC was the epicenter of the 1800's slavery. What is quite evident to me as a foreigner, is that many have this attitude that the country owes them something, that it's not up to them to try to get on their feet but rather to simply demand.

Almost every city I have been to in the US that has ghettos, are made up of minorities. Manufacturing died in NYC a good 60 to 80 years ago. Do these people not have the common sense to pack up and move to where the jobs are? Like most parts of the country and developed world, cities are now for professionals, or those with a skill or small business. It's not rocket science to realize that if you have neither nor care to do any of the above, you need to move to the outer suburbs or elsewhere in the country, basically to where the jobs are. Yes, just like both my folks got on a ship and travelled for over 30 days to a distant country. Not rocket science.

Nonetheless, I see it all the time in west DC where there are loads of people chilling on streets corners. I have seen kids in the ghetto with Ipods and clothing worth 5 college text books. Yet you are going to sit here and act as if they are some sort of Ethiopian refugees with nothing. How about moving and getting a job? Or is it racist to ask that of people? I will tell you one thing, while Australia may be much much more generous in terms of welfare, the ####### certain demographics pull here would never be tolerated. A person has to proactively demonstrate that they you are looking for 14 jobs every two weeks. That includes filling out and signing a log book, attending training and so on. No such thing as sitting on welfare or food stamps.

[Heracles 417]

When people tell others to "get over it", they're ignoring the fact that this stuff is very far from ancient history.

What would someone born after 1980 or 1990 know about racism? That is a cheap excuse.

You guys will talk about history and so on but will not say a word about the huge number of teenage minorities having unwed single parent kids. Or are they going to be a product of segregation and slavery too? To bad a sizable potion of them happen to be Hispanic. In other words, the bullshit excuses cannot apply.

[HAL 9000 96]

For the racist, promotion of heritage equals demeaning other races.

Promoting heritage.... is that what you call that group as they parade in brown military uniforms complete with combat boots and rank.

Okaaaaaay Hal, whatever you say.

Perhaps you can name some similar White groups you would approve of?

Any group that doesn't portray HATE or superiority by hate is OK with me, as I've stated on many occasions. Too bad you think that means white guilt.

If you have an issue with Mexican heritage groups, make it your problem and show us with details how deluded and racist they are and act. You have no issue creating threads about white victims of black hoodlums, so this shouldn't be too hard for a race insinuator such as yourself.

I for one have also stated that offensive promotion of heritage, no matter where it comes from, is a bit over the top, but some people like you suffer from permanent selective reading skills, so its no large surprise.

you're wrong Hal, of course any minority group that promotes heritage= eliminating white people.. it's so obvious...

Racists do have a mental problem with being able to coexist.

racists have an inferiority complex, that's why they have to belong to a hate group

I suspect something to that tune. These are very sad, retarded people.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

When people tell others to "get over it", they're ignoring the fact that this stuff is very far from ancient history.

What would someone born after 1980 or 1990 know about racism? That is a cheap excuse.

You guys will talk about history and so on but will not say a word about the huge number of teenage minorities having unwed single parent kids. Or are they going to be a product of segregation and slavery too? To bad a sizable potion of them happen to be Hispanic. In other words, the bullshit excuses cannot apply.

I'm well aware of the social problems in those communities. What you want me to do, it seems, is to make an emotionally charged judgement on it.

What I said above was that government endorsed racial discrimination took place a lot more recently than the 19th century. Its stupid not to draw connections between the past and the present - especially with so much of it in living memory, and certainly rather crass to make generalised moral judgements (as you are) from a position of generational privilege.